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Drud Green Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 131	Posted - 2013.07.31 09:46:00 - [31] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: But how will the retards aim if you take it out? Afraid of a lil competition eh?
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 265	Posted - 2013.07.31 09:50:00 - [32] - Quote JETSTORM1090 wrote: In the lastest dev blog I seen that they are reintroducing aim assist...then they continue to say "don't sneer its part of console gaming", well I am sick of people using the crutch that is auto-aim in competitive FPS, whatever skill it takes to play dust will be removed with auto-aim, I just feel it makes games too easy and makes it less fun when a person whos new to games picks up a controller and can perform well because of auto-aim, please don't add it back... ITT - "I use the Mouse on the PS3, and I don't want DS3 users to have a chance against me."
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 760	Posted - 2013.07.31 09:54:00 - [33] - Quote Drud Green wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: But how will the retards aim if you take it out? Afraid of a lil competition eh? My AA is turned off Plus it doesnt work if you are in a tank
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 877	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:04:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Wolfman's Devblog Quote: The assists in question are magnetism and adhesion. Magnetism works by helping you maintain your aim as you strafe a target. Adhesion adjusts your rotation when an enemy is targeted to help you stay on target. Why did we disable them in the first place? In testing, we found that in a limited number of circumstances they could interfere with aiming instead of assisting it. We made the decision to disable it until we could iron out the kinks in the system. Since it was disabled, there has been feedback that staying on target, particularly at closer ranges has become harder. It's off right now. If you think its working for you you are wrong. If you think you are dieing extra because of it you are wrong. If you are a short range AR user, when it comes back, you will be picked off EASIER by longer range players who you have been strafing easily for so long.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 866	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:09:00 - [35] - Quote In a competitive FPS game where the kb/m is an option, aim-assist is absolutely mandatory. Otherwise I would agree. Get rid of kb/m support and get rid of aim-assist, or keep kb/m support and keep aim-assist. We all know kb/m isn't going anywhere in Dust, therefore aim-assist MUST stay.
Billi Gene The Southern Legion 197	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:15:00 - [36] - Quote play how you want to play, stop trying to dictate how others play. wonder if this is just fear of a nerf from the annoying CQC strafe spam community.
ryo sayo mio Algintal Core Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:24:00 - [37] - Quote Yep as much as i dont want more aim assist as a ds3 user i know we need it once the kb/m get there op raw input if u played in the closed beta u will know how op kb/m was.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 700	Posted - 2013.07.31 13:35:00 - [38] - Quote Hilarious that someone actually said competitive multiplayer and Dust in the same sentence without being derogatory.............
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 891	Posted - 2013.07.31 13:43:00 - [39] - Quote Aim Assist is not the same thing as Auto Aim. And even then, you can have a shooter with auto aim that is still really skill intensive.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5560	Posted - 2013.07.31 13:45:00 - [40] - Quote As soon as the bigger crutch of KBM is removed, I might be inclined to agree. I play without aim assist cuz it's broken, but I'll likely turn it back on once it's fixed. Gotta keep up with the PC tryhards somehow

Anita Hardone Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 204	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:00:00 - [41] - Quote Only game where ive actually thought the Aim assist was a crutch/exploit is in certain CoD games. You just have to face in the general direction then ADS and it puts you right on the nearest enemy.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 393	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:04:00 - [42] - Quote JETSTORM1090 wrote: In the lastest dev blog I seen that they are reintroducing aim assist...then they continue to say "don't sneer its part of console gaming", well I am sick of people using the crutch that is auto-aim in competitive FPS, whatever skill it takes to play dust will be removed with auto-aim, I just feel it makes games too easy and makes it less fun when a person whos new to games picks up a controller and can perform well because of auto-aim, please don't add it back... Auto-aim doesnt remotely remove the competitive nature of FPS on consoles. EVERY FPS on consoles has it. DUST is literally the only one without. Halo? BF? COD? All have aim assist. Aim assist doesnt suddenly take away the need for player skill. Round up 1000 people who play Halo and id be shocked if any of them could kill me 1on1. Halo (before Reach especially) was super competitive, it was an MLG game (still might be). Hell, Halo pretty much defines "competitive FPS on console." The thought process that auto aim suddenly means no need for skill is flawed.
Cat Merc BetaMax. 3654	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:06:00 - [43] - Quote Like it or not, it's necessary on a console.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 434	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:07:00 - [44] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: My proposition is to reward players who turn AS off with higher WP gain, increased base ammo capacity for weapons affected by AS, with higher SP gain and ISK payouts. They deserve it... This is dumb. You haven't helped anyone win more by turning of aim assist. Its a preference, nothing more.
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 941	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:09:00 - [45] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Like it or not, it's necessary on a console. Is it? It seems like many players haven't even noticed that it's gone. This alone begs the question "why change the status quo?".
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 435	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:12:00 - [46] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Like it or not, it's necessary on a console. Is it? It seems like many players haven't even noticed that it's gone. This alone begs the question "why change the status quo?". because without it aiming feels like ****. The lack of magnetism makes CQC feel absolutely ridiculous.
Cat Merc BetaMax. 3656	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:13:00 - [47] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Like it or not, it's necessary on a console. Is it? It seems like many players haven't even noticed that it's gone. This alone begs the question "why change the status quo?". It's not gone, it's here, they just removed two features. Also, people HAVE noticed, Chromosome had it, Uprising doesn't. Now what is the most complained about feature of Uprising? Aiming sucks maybe?
Remm Duchax The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 89	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:14:00 - [48] - Quote Well, I always turn it off...
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 435	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:15:00 - [49] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: ] It's not gone, it's here, they just removed two features. Also, people HAVE noticed, Chromosome had it, Uprising doesn't. Now what is the most complained about feature of Uprising? Aiming sucks maybe? hmmm, maybe its just me. Maybe I turned off aim assist when trying out MKB, and left it off when I abandoned MKB because it felt awful. Probably should try MKB again since the last time I used it was BEFORE 1.2
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 941	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:25:00 - [50] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Like it or not, it's necessary on a console. Is it? It seems like many players haven't even noticed that it's gone. This alone begs the question "why change the status quo?". It's not gone, it's here, they just removed two features. Also, people HAVE noticed, Chromosome had it, Uprising doesn't. Now what is the most complained about feature of Uprising? Aiming sucks maybe? I for one have no idea what other features aim assist could be composed of. Those two mentioned in the devblog i remember too well as being utterly unhelpfull so aiming improved for me with uprising tbqh.

Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 394	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:39:00 - [51] - Quote I have turned on and off aim asisst and noticed no difference. Normally it is quite noticble in games, so if anything is "on" its pretty useless. Again, to bring up Halo. Play it, try to shoot a team mate with an Assault Rifle, then try to shoot an opponent. The latter is much much easier. DUST feels a lot like team killing in HALO, which is aim assist free. Decent aim assist will go a long, long way toward making DUST feel better in regards to aiming on the DS3. Hit detection will still be an issue, but it will be a lot less noticible because kill times will be quicker so you wont notice every single shot that didnt register.
MlDDLE MANGEMENT lMPurity 249	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:40:00 - [52] - Quote JETSTORM1090 wrote: In the latest dev blog I seen that they are reintroducing aim assist...then they continue to say "don't sneer its part of console gaming", well I am sick of people using the crutch that is auto-aim in competitive FPS, whatever skill it takes to play dust will be removed with auto-aim, I just feel it makes games too easy and makes it less fun when a person whos new to games picks up a controller and can perform well because of auto-aim, please don't add it back... Hate to break it to you, Aim assist (not auto aim) has been in every FPS on console forever. Games that allow you to turn off aim-assist allow you to often turn off magnetization which will keep a cursor glued to center mass, but they still assit in aiming in other ways. There is no raw input version of aiming for gamepads on console PERIOD. Fact is if you ever played a shooter of any kind with a controller that used pure raw input you would call the aim crap and never play the game again citing the aiming as completely broken because you have been conditioned forever to think aim functions perfectly with a controller without "assists" Assits have always been there in the background don't fool yourself, just because the game developers don't have the balls to shatter the illusion for people don't mean people need remain ignorant to the fact you can't console shoot on gamepads without assists.


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