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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:12:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:
Oh yeah, cause the assault rifle can toss mini contact nades that do slightly less damage out at you after a flux that has no falloff damage?
So someone built their fit around making their primary weapon most effective?
So thinking is OP now?
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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:39:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:The Attorney General wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:
Oh yeah, cause the assault rifle can toss mini contact nades that do slightly less damage out at you after a flux that has no falloff damage?
So someone built their fit around making their primary weapon most effective? So thinking is OP now? More like if it took great skill I'd have no problem with it, but putting a stamina mod on your suit and running around cooking flux's all game so you can one shot someone isn't creating good balance IMO, though I admit I could be entirely wrong. I have a caldari assault suit with 500 shields a super fast regen shields rate and about 200 armor with a md. I can solo with it, because a flux and 2 quick shots that head towards an area while strafing (see ar's and such would have to aim here to make contact to deal damage, with my md strafing super fast is viable because no worries about lol spray and praying doing almost no damage) mops up 4 people.
You know that the TAC AR has enough range to make short work of a MD user by staying at such a range that it can be quite difficult to effectively lob rounds in?
You could have a whole squad running the setup you described, and they would still get blasted by a flux and a core locus grenade thrown by two guys.
On my heavy I pack fluxes just for groups of infantry that go shield tanking.
Complaining about someone using a flux and an armor biased weapon is ridiculous. Might as well just ask for all grenades to be removed from the game at that point. |
The Attorney General
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:56:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:
Oh yeah, so one guy with a mass driver can do the work of guys guys with different nades....cept contact nades only get one and md's get 6...sounds fair? Honestly I've said before I'd love a nade that balanced out to do 130% to shield and 90 or whatever % to armor....provide more choices right?
I mentioned in an earlier post I played a match tonight when a guy sat on top of echo on the bridge map and was hitting alpha with impunity...a tac can't hit the top of the building at echo from alpha..read the post before you suggest driving a lav or rushing to get close to get on top and kill him please....
Fluxes and Core locus both come with three. Considering that those two people can wipe out however many people you want to cram into the blast radius of the core locus, complaining about the use of a flux and MD seems needless. It would seem that at least some of the issue stems from the manner in which certain squads role, all jammed together so they can focus fire on their targets. The MD prevents this by forcing squads to spread out. Tactics at its finest.
As to the anecdote of the match, why not grab a sniper rifle and dome the guy? If he was sitting up on a roof, he could have been pegged by tank, forge, sniper, or attacked by dropship. With that many counters, it seems a stretch to be complaining. Also, at that range he was not throwing fluxes, so shield tankers would have been needing at least 3 splashes to get through the shields, so it isn't like you couldn't GTFO in time. It was just a tactical error that allowed him to stay up there. He only had impunity because you refuse to do what was obvious to kill him. Thats on you, not him. |
The Attorney General
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Posted - 2013.07.31 09:27:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:
...Fails to read past relevant post referenced from earlier in the thread...I love ignorant people here. I'm so happy to learn and promote discussion till this happens....
The core you have to cook, the md is a contact grenade, huge difference. And if you read earlier we had this discussion and I even played around with putting all nades to 2 max and only supply depots can resupply them so it stops being grenade spam 514. If that happened and MD's only had 2-3 flux's for the match...then it'd be an area denial weapon, and only forge's would need a slight nerf vs infantry...potentially reducing splash to reward the accurate ones and prevent splash kills from nowhere.
I'm not fishing through 9 pages to find a story about why you failed to use any of the many options at your disposal to counter what was obviously a threat.
You allowed someone with an area of effect weapon to bombard a point. You had options available, but chose none of them.
The FG problem was created by AR users who demanded that the HMG have the range of a baseball and the initial accuracy of an epileptic performing brain surgery with a hammer. You forced them onto the heights, now you want them back on the ground to outrange and massacre.
This MD QQ is pretty much the same. You seemingly want to be able to run in a tightly packed squad, focusing your fire on solo enemies with impunity. Because splash weapons counter this horde tactic, it has to go. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.07.31 09:39:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:
...This dude is so dumb I'm going to just lol at the fact you're in Zion and troll you from now on. I have massive respect for discussion, but you're failing at that.
Yes, lol at my corp. That will change everything.
But lets play the hypothetical game.
Reducing the MD ammo doesn't change anything, unless you make it a single shot. Which would be great if your goal is to have no one use the MD.
It has a limited range, but you could shorten it, but then good players would just use it to airburst over your squad, and oh the tears that would bring.
You could reduce the splash damage, but then it doesn't function effectively as an AoE weapon.
You could reduce the splash radius, same problem as above.
You could change flux counts, but considering that it is one of only two shield effective weapons, unless you are the champion of shields 514, that harms diversity.
So really, the only viable solution is to laugh at you for crying like a little girl and tell you to HTFU. |
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