Tried the Breach Flays (pre-nerf) and they weren't even good at super close range.

LOL DPS

/me pets his breach SMG.

/me pets his breach SMG.

/me pets his breach SMG.

Breach AR = Terribadie rate of fire and range

Assault SMG > Breach SMG.

Some simple math would show you this. Not only does the Assault SMG out DPS the breach, it has more range, and more bullets.

It only out-DPSs the breach if every bullet hits. With higher damage, tighter spread, and a lower RoF (which makes it more controllable and allows for longer sustained fire), the breach can out damage the assault if in skilled hands.

Well that goes both ways. If an Assault SMG is in skilled hands it out DPS's the breach lol.

If you are skilled enough to land every shot with a breach, then you can probably hit every shot with an assault. That is a **** argument #jussayin'

The strength in the breach AR is its hip fire accuracy which is very powerful at close range but i'm not sure it makes up for the weakness in mid-long range.

The breach SMG is capable of outgunning a few guns at a much farther range than most SMG variants. Knowing that every one of my bullets shots are likely to be nailing where I aim it is immensely more valuable than the scattering assault variant of the SMG when it comes to time on target and damage delivery. Assaults are good but I normally treat them like shotguns, the breach SMG I treat as an AR carbine.

Never tried it but probably same concept as Breach mass driver. You were aiming at their feet weren't you? Yeah, not supposed to do that with Breach explosives.

The Breach AR is nasty as long as it's CQC, rip right through a heavy.

Breach MDs are minmatar shotguns.

Actually that doesn't work out. In order to have the Assault SMG maintain the accuracy of the breach, you would probably be out DPS'd by the Breach because you would have to be burst shooting the Assault SMG. Assault is bound to lose more bullets, you can't just make the gun more accurate/less kick

Yall are so judgemental over a weapon you've barely even used. Use it enough and you get used to it and then good at it. Plus it trounces heavies and I run out of ammo less often with it than my exile or gek.

Also, LOL DPS. DPS only matters if you can hit all your bullets but it seems like a lot can't. Wasting 2/3 of their clip into empty space.

So people are asking to nerf clip/spread of ARs. All I have to say is to stay out of Breach's business. It's got an 18 shot clip and you need it's tight spread. Leave it alone!

i'm gonna give it a shot for a few days.... see how I make out with it.... thanks!

Uh, ur thinkin tactical. The breach has a 36 round clip. But I agree, leave it alone

The breach SMG is capable of outgunning a few guns at a much farther range than most SMG variants. Knowing that every one of my bullets shots are likely to be nailing where I aim it is immensely more valuable than the scattering assault variant of the SMG when it comes to time on target and damage delivery. Assaults are good but I normally treat them like shotguns, the breach SMG I treat as an AR carbine.

Seriously, I've seen very few people even use these but once you understand it's pros and cons, you can really rip things up.
It seems that because of a bad history with Breach weapons (remnant rumors from Codex) no one bothers picking up Breach weapons. Newsflash, the following weapons don't actually suck a whole lot:

• Breach Scrambler Pistol
• Breach SMG
• Breach AR
• Breach Mass Driver

Breach Shotguns used to rock the house if you could survive a 2-shot clip, but it seems that new shotty mechanics brought it's house a crumblin' like Samson. Any other Breach enthusiasts out there?

/me pets his breach SMG.

the problem is "breach takes skill" that is all

Seriously, I've seen very few people even use these but once you understand it's pros and cons, you can really rip things up.
It seems that because of a bad history with Breach weapons (remnant rumors from Codex) no one bothers picking up Breach weapons. Newsflash, the following weapons don't actually suck a whole lot:

• Breach Scrambler Pistol
• Breach SMG
• Breach AR
• Breach Mass Driver

Breach Shotguns used to rock the house if you could survive a 2-shot clip, but it seems that new shotty mechanics brought it's house a crumblin' like Samson. Any other Breach enthusiasts out there?

i think the breach isnt so bad either. but most people dont use it because their aim is sh!t and they need a storm of bullets like from the normal AR to even hit anything

Yeah I realized that but so few people use it I figured who would catch it? Wouldn't ya know it?

The only 2 breach weapons that are good are the breach Scrambler and the Breach Forge. All others Suck ass.

Words to the wise: Strafe and Hipfire. It is a slow RoF weapon so standing still is not recommended. However it is much more accurate and less kick so hipfire is much more accurate. Easier opponents are heavies, or slow moving people. You can still shred scouts, caldari, and minmatar, it's just a littler harder. Headshots are also really devastating.