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xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 552	Posted - 2013.07.30 20:38:00 - [1] - Quote I hope I'm not the only one. If I die 5 times I lose money and that's running adv gear only... So basically if I die 3-4 times (which is very good for me) I make like 50-75k isk, this is not worth the fight... Sooner or later (sooner) I'm going to be broke (4mil left) and when that happens I'm gonna have a hard time playing this game. I understand the whole "run starters to make money" statement but this is a garbage excuse, wtf is the point of even skilling into stuff then? So I can run it 1/4 of the time? Please increase payouts to a reasonable level, do some math and figure in the death to cost ratio and adjust it accordingly... Not many people are in the 1-4 deaths per game arena (skirmish)... Most people are around 5-14 per game which means anyone running adv or above are losing money doing so. My math: 50k for a full fitted adv suit, 4 deaths is 200k isk, the average payout in a skirmish is 225-275k isk, I can get over 300k in a skirmish game where I have 1500 or more WP's but this still isn't enough compensation IMO. My request: (skirmish) add atleast 150k isk to the payout (325-375k avg), this would mean after 7 deaths using a 50k suit you're losing money but if you die between 1-5 times you're still making a decent amount of scratch for your efforts in a 20 min battle (or 5 min pubstomp)..... 5 deaths and you'd make 75-125k isk depending on how you did which means you could restock 1-2 suits for your efforts. Thoughts?
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 552	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:57:00 - [2] - Quote So what's the point of adv and proto gear then? It's not for pubs according to you guys so what's it for? And before you say PC, 90% of people in this game don't even play in PC matches. 5 battles at 20 mins =1 hr and 40 minutes of grinding to make a mil, which in turn buys 20 adv fittings, which will last the avg player 4 battles, yay!! What I'm requesting will give you 1-2 more adv suits per battle, is it tht big a deal? I'm not asking for an 800k isk payout for one battle, just an increase of like 100k. To those talking on the pub stomping proto players, this won't change that, these people have more money than they know what to do with as is.
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 553	Posted - 2013.07.31 16:07:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: xLTShinySidesx wrote: So what's the point of adv and proto gear then? It's not for pubs according to you guys so what's it for? And before you say PC, 90% of people in this game don't even play in PC matches. 5 battles at 20 mins =1 hr and 40 minutes of grinding to make a mil, which in turn buys 20 adv fittings, which will last the avg player 4 battles, yay!! What I'm requesting will give you 1-2 more adv suits per battle, is it tht big a deal? I'm not asking for an 800k isk payout for one battle, just an increase of like 100k. To those talking on the pub stomping proto players, this won't change that, these people have more money than they know what to do with as is. You shouldn't even need to ask for this I'm sustainable sitting on 24 million ISK right now. I never lose ISk and I never gain it.... how can you be losing iSK? I lose isk if I die more than 4-5 times, depending on if the game wants to pay me for my actions or not... I'm not a scrub, anyone who has played with me or against me can attest to that, I never run proto, I don't even have a proto suit..... The payouts are just strange, last night I went 19-3 with 2100 WP's and got 298k isk, the very next game I went 15-6 with 1500 WP's and got 302k isk, wtf? If we actually got paid for our "work" it may not be so bad but the small payouts for a high amount of productivity is killing it, add in that afkers can take in nearly as much while doing nothing.
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 555	Posted - 2013.07.31 17:16:00 - [4] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: They should increase it because you're not good enough yet? If you die this often and lose money, then maybe you should use cheaper gear until you can actually affort the better gear (meaning less dying). It has nothing to do with how good I am, anybody who plays skirmish knows that you average 3-7 deaths, all I'm saying is the payout is too low for the length of the game and the amount you contribute to the team. Why does everybody automatically assume I'm a **** player because I think the isk payouts are too low? Does it make people feel better to act like they're better than you?
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 555	Posted - 2013.07.31 17:35:00 - [5] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: xLTShinySidesx wrote: So what's the point of adv and proto gear then? It's not for pubs according to you guys so what's it for? And before you say PC, 90% of people in this game don't even play in PC matches. No one said that. For lots of people ADV or proto gear is affordable because the die little or not at all in most matches. I rarely see a person with 0-1 death in a skirmish game and when I do it's generally a tank or a sniper... Most of the people it is affordable for because they have a crap ton of isk from uprising, more than they'll ever need. After reading some of the replies I will recant my request because there was some good points made.... Payout based on effort given, meaning 0Wp=0 isk payout and work it at a percentage beyond that like say 1WP=Xisk payout....also, skirmish/domination battles since they're so long should have an increased percentage of isk-WP payout due to the time spent in battle.
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 555	Posted - 2013.07.31 17:41:00 - [6] - Quote Electric Gray wrote: I run with a suit that cost 4,145 ISK. I have been playing for one month. I have made over 65 mil for the corp and i have 103,000 Isk suit that ive built up to 80. Want to make cash make a cheap suit. save your big suits for Merc battles and P.C. battles. Not only will you make money, but you wont be pub stomping ether. This IMO is bad for business..... Hey guys, check out dust 514, the game where you have to play to get SP so you can get cooler gear and then not use it! What's the reward for having good gear you ask? Being able to play in crappy gear so you can afford to play the good gear!! Sounds fun
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 555	Posted - 2013.07.31 17:45:00 - [7] - Quote PR DIABOLITO NY wrote: I am a fairly new (playing 1 month) player. My KDR is waaayyy below 1.0!! Yet, in that time I have been able to make way over $60 mil. Not sure what you are running or how, but running smart fits and buying smart equals more money saved. And yes, I am currently running ADV Logi fits that are anywhere from 30K-60K per suit. Play smart, buy smart, and skill smart. Enough said. Diabolito To make this amount of money in a month of play you'd have to run nothing but starter fits for 8 battles a day and no other fits, that's assuming you made 250k isk per battle, I don't have that kind of time, I'm lucky to get 3 battles in a day and when I do, I prefer to play in something I worked hard to get but that's just me.
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 555	Posted - 2013.07.31 18:00:00 - [8] - Quote Let me explain how the isk payout makes the casual gamer feel... I have to grind 5-10 battles per day in starter fits to afford the gear I grinded for to get in the first place, don't get me wrong, it wasn't so much grinding as it was fun to get the sp and unlock the gear, however, now that I have the gear, the grind isn't fun anymore... The people in here telling me you made 60-65 mil in a month are not the casual gamers, they play 240+ battles in a month, something I don't have time for.. The casual gamer enjoys playing from the bottom up and getting the sp to unlock stuff but unlocking stuff should make you able to sustainably play it but it's not like that, te cost to income ratio is off IMO and it needs to be changed. I'm gonna pistol whip the next mthrfckr that tells me to run starter fits or cheap suits, I'm not new, I know how the game works.
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 555	Posted - 2013.07.31 19:07:00 - [9] - Quote Ok so im alone in thinking the payout needs a boost. I've been playing the game since January so I feel I have a good grasp and I'm not broke by any means, I just thought the payouts were too low for what you go through in a battle, call me crazy.
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 555	Posted - 2013.07.31 19:09:00 - [10] - Quote Prangstar RND wrote: nope, you can earn up to 2 million in a pub match. http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii627/aqua-regia/2013-07-13-013830.jpg http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii627/aqua-regia/2013-07-13-013839.jpg http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii627/aqua-regia/2013-07-13-013917.jpg I went 35-4 with 3100 WP's and got 327k isk, how the fck did you get a 2mil payout?

xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 555	Posted - 2013.07.31 21:13:00 - [11] - Quote I'm done reading/replying to this topic... For fcks sake all I was saying was increase the payout a bit in the skirmish matches, I didn't once ask "how do I make money" but apparently reading comprehension isn't a big thing in this community. I understand how to make money, what I don't understand is the isk payout to gear acquisition ratio, it's not good enough IMO, agree with me or not, just stop with the run cheap/starter suit BS, I'm not a noob.

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