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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:27:00 -
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To remove the invisibility upon respawn, it used to be that if your dumb enough to spawn you deserve to die and it encouraged drop uplink usage.
If you support this please explain why and if your against please explain why. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
370
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:34:00 -
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Be killed by a nearly invisible guy is not a pleasure, but i think it should remain like this, if you camp a spawn you deserve to die like the one who spawn there, equality. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
109
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:41:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Be killed by a nearly invisible guy is not a pleasure, but i think it should remain like this, if you camp a spawn you deserve to die like the one who spawn there, equality.
Most are forced to camp because of people spawning invisibly: |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
416
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:50:00 -
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Oh really?
Spawn camp much?
No. Decrease cloak transparency slightly, but nothing more. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:59:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Oh really?
Spawn camp much?
No. Decrease cloak transparency slightly, but nothing more. You going to state why that should be implemented or just spout conjecture? |
Ploo-Koon
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
105
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:03:00 -
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What about you? The only reason you've stated so far you'd like to see this change is so that you can spawn camp without being shot at, doesn't seem like a very good reason nor does it seem to be beneficial to the game for you to get easy kills. |
Draco Cerberus
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
220
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:03:00 -
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Leave it the way it is, spawning invisibly has allowed me to get out from enemy fire when they have left rather than becoming the only target available to them to shoot. |
Trey Hardin
REAPERS REPUBLIC
11
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:09:00 -
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If invincibility was removed this wouldn't encourage uplink usage. It would encourage red line snipers and spawn campers like u. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
110
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:14:00 -
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I'm not a spawn camper, pretty hard to that being a logi, you shouldn't assume things it's bad for you, red line snipers will always be annoying. I guess going by your logic I should just start hacking when I end up on my own instead of waiting for backup and just get killed right lol |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
110
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:17:00 -
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Ploo-Koon wrote:What about you? The only reason you've stated so far you'd like to see this change is so that you can spawn camp without being shot at, doesn't seem like a very good reason nor does it seem to be beneficial to the game for you to get easy kills.
What about me? Where have I stated I want to spawn camp? This would work both ways and I preferred it where if you spawn in and get killed you get what you deserve rather than spawning invisible and shooting people in the back. |
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Trey Hardin
REAPERS REPUBLIC
11
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:23:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:I'm not a spawn camper, pretty hard to that being a logi, you shouldn't assume things it's bad for you, red line snipers will always be annoying. I guess going by your logic I should just start hacking when I end up on my own instead of waiting for backup and just get killed right lol No you should have gone into battle with a squad. You could spawn in the mcc and organize. And FYI I am an ammar logi |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3342
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:25:00 -
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Remember the massive spawn camping fests that would occur in Chrome? Yeah, give people a change. But the invisibility glitch needs to be fixed ASAP. People are getting better at recreating it and nobody likes being camped by an invisible heavy. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
110
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:27:00 -
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Trey Hardin wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I'm not a spawn camper, pretty hard to that being a logi, you shouldn't assume things it's bad for you, red line snipers will always be annoying. I guess going by your logic I should just start hacking when I end up on my own instead of waiting for backup and just get killed right lol No you should have gone into battle with a squad. You could spawn in the mcc and organize. And FYI I am an ammar logi
Im an amarr logi as well, I think you have mis understood, when your the last man standing, I never go lonewolf. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
110
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:28:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Remember the massive spawn camping fests that would occur in Chrome? Yeah, give people a change. But the invisibility glitch needs to be fixed ASAP. People are getting better at recreating it and nobody likes being camped by an invisible heavy.
Yeah but people spawning in en masse making it impossible to hack was why that happened I found. |
Trey Hardin
REAPERS REPUBLIC
11
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:34:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Trey Hardin wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I'm not a spawn camper, pretty hard to that being a logi, you shouldn't assume things it's bad for you, red line snipers will always be annoying. I guess going by your logic I should just start hacking when I end up on my own instead of waiting for backup and just get killed right lol No you should have gone into battle with a squad. You could spawn in the mcc and organize. And FYI I am an ammar logi Im an amarr logi as well, I think you have mis understood, when your the last man standing, I never go lonewolf. Well where is your squad |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
111
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:37:00 -
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Trey Hardin wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Trey Hardin wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I'm not a spawn camper, pretty hard to that being a logi, you shouldn't assume things it's bad for you, red line snipers will always be annoying. I guess going by your logic I should just start hacking when I end up on my own instead of waiting for backup and just get killed right lol No you should have gone into battle with a squad. You could spawn in the mcc and organize. And FYI I am an ammar logi Im an amarr logi as well, I think you have mis understood, when your the last man standing, I never go lonewolf. Well where is your squad
Dead perhaps? Doesn't last man standing kind of suggest that? Keep bumping, this is a petition so clearly so far the majority is keep invisibility. |
Brasidas Kriegen
The Southern Legion
12
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:59:00 -
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Definitely keep it. The greatest issue I had in chromosome was dying before I could move/see anything. Spawn - death animation. Spawn - death animation. You can't say
Quote:This would work both ways and I preferred it where if you spawn in and get killed you get what you deserve rather than spawning invisible and shooting people in the back. because when you can't see the enemy around the point you are spawning you don't know if it is camped so that is hardly "getting what you deserve". If you removed invisibility it would need to be replaced with active scanning on spawn points, which would be worse as people would see you before you can hack etc and uplinks would become scanners. Spawn camping is a problem in most shooters, and people still do it in Dust, but at least now the people spawning in have a fighting chance. Sure it means someone can spawn in and kill you hacking, but perhaps you "got what you deserve" for taking the risk solo. I do it all the time, and I am aware of the risk, AND I run logi (gallente though, couldn't wait for them to fix the poor amarr suits). |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
114
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Posted - 2013.07.29 19:04:00 -
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Brasidas Kriegen wrote:Definitely keep it. The greatest issue I had in chromosome was dying before I could move/see anything. Spawn - death animation. Spawn - death animation. You can't say Quote:This would work both ways and I preferred it where if you spawn in and get killed you get what you deserve rather than spawning invisible and shooting people in the back. because when you can't see the enemy around the point you are spawning you don't know if it is camped so that is hardly "getting what you deserve". If you removed invisibility it would need to be replaced with active scanning on spawn points, which would be worse as people would see you before you can hack etc and uplinks would become scanners. Spawn camping is a problem in most shooters, and people still do it in Dust, but at least now the people spawning in have a fighting chance. Sure it means someone can spawn in and kill you hacking, but perhaps you "got what you deserve" for taking the risk solo. I do it all the time, and I am aware of the risk, AND I run logi (gallente though, couldn't wait for them to fix the poor amarr suits).
Thank you for your constructive opinion, I feel sorry for gallente at the moment, in all honesty I see gallente suit users as a free kill, the need to sort armour tanking out by buffing it. |
TunRa
The Vanguardians
18
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Posted - 2013.07.29 19:06:00 -
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Funny thing is, if they are invisible and you look at them their stats show up. Armor, Shield, %. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3345
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Posted - 2013.07.29 19:08:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Cosgar wrote:Remember the massive spawn camping fests that would occur in Chrome? Yeah, give people a change. But the invisibility glitch needs to be fixed ASAP. People are getting better at recreating it and nobody likes being camped by an invisible heavy. Yeah but people spawning in en masse making it impossible to hack was why that happened I found. Situational awareness or have someone cover you. |
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
114
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Posted - 2013.07.29 19:09:00 -
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TunRa wrote:Funny thing is, if they are invisible and you look at them their stats show up. Armor, Shield, %.
And your reticule turns orange but they are invincible for 3 seconds roughly |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
114
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Posted - 2013.07.29 19:11:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Cosgar wrote:Remember the massive spawn camping fests that would occur in Chrome? Yeah, give people a change. But the invisibility glitch needs to be fixed ASAP. People are getting better at recreating it and nobody likes being camped by an invisible heavy. Yeah but people spawning in en masse making it impossible to hack was why that happened I found. Situational awareness or have someone cover you.
Yeah like most shooters |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
417
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Posted - 2013.07.29 21:21:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Oh really?
Spawn camp much?
No. Decrease cloak transparency slightly, but nothing more. You going to state why that should be implemented or just spout conjecture? Because, it's spawn protection. It's CCPs way of saying don't spawn camp you *******.
Removing cloak on spawn would make it open season on the just spawned, and your justification for permitting spawn camping, one of the most agrevating exploits, is that you get killed cheaply.
It is for what you justify it with that makes me think you just want it gone to spawn camp with no consequences, and no counters. |
Trey Hardin
REAPERS REPUBLIC
11
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Posted - 2013.07.29 22:07:00 -
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I am sorry if I offended you it is just that all of your post seem to benefit spawn killing |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
116
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Posted - 2013.07.29 22:30:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Oh really?
Spawn camp much?
No. Decrease cloak transparency slightly, but nothing more. You going to state why that should be implemented or just spout conjecture? Because, it's spawn protection. It's CCPs way of saying don't spawn camp you *******. Removing cloak on spawn would make it open season on the just spawned, and your justification for permitting spawn camping, one of the most agrevating exploits, is that you get killed cheaply. It is for what you justify it with that makes me think you just want it gone to spawn camp with no consequences, and no counters.
But this would also affect me as well, don't you feel cheap spawning invisible and blowing up w group of people with their backs turned? No honestly I dont just want it so I can spawn camp, like I said I preferred it when it was a case of if your going to spawn into a group while they are trying to hack you deserve to die, now people spawn invisible and are invincible for 3 seconds. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
116
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Posted - 2013.07.29 22:35:00 -
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It's just holding peoples hand in my opinion, now instead of trying to accuse me of wanting it to benefit spawn camping, please state why you are for or against it |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
116
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Posted - 2013.07.29 22:40:00 -
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Trey Hardin wrote:I am sorry if I offended you it is just that all of your post seem to benefit spawn killing
Its fine but if I wanted it to spawn camp id have sais that's what I want it for lol |
Trey Hardin
REAPERS REPUBLIC
12
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Posted - 2013.07.29 23:50:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Trey Hardin wrote:I am sorry if I offended you it is just that all of your post seem to benefit spawn killing Its fine but if I wanted it to spawn camp id have sais that's what I want it for lol I agree that this needs to be tweaked but not removed. Maybe make it where you are unable to fire while invisible. |
Trey Hardin
REAPERS REPUBLIC
12
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:06:00 -
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Am I the only one with an option other than removal |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
75
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:27:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Ploo-Koon wrote:What about you? The only reason you've stated so far you'd like to see this change is so that you can spawn camp without being shot at, doesn't seem like a very good reason nor does it seem to be beneficial to the game for you to get easy kills. What about me? Where have I stated I want to spawn camp? This would work both ways and I preferred it where if you spawn in and get killed you get what you deserve rather than spawning invisible and shooting people in the back.
The problem here was pretty simple once you spawned in the enemy could see but there was a short delay before you could do anything. That results in the massive spawncamp fests. As you could do nothing to protect yourself from beeing killed. The current solution is ok for me. (Apart from the invisibilty glitch of course) |
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