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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6701	Posted - 2013.07.29 10:29:00 - [1] - Quote You can read about it all here, lots and lots of thing died today including an alliance capital system. Breakdown of the entire fight including rough numbers http://themittani.com/news/live-reports-battle-6vdt-cfc-victorious Report of the Aftermath http://themittani.com/features/6vdt-cfc-battle-report What TEST alliance had to say about it today. http://themittani.com/news/post-6vdt-test-state-alliance And something similar to what you guys experience in dust right now the End of Match Score screen :P http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=22475
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood 938	Posted - 2013.07.29 10:41:00 - [2] - Quote Haha epicness
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 197	Posted - 2013.07.29 11:08:00 - [3] - Quote Eve battles are lame hours long slugfests that take 0 pilot skill, makes the whole space sim genre look like trash. Its WOW in space the way battles play out. Ohhh lets sit here for 3 hours exchanging fire while i scratch my neck beard!! super fun!.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1047	Posted - 2013.07.29 11:11:00 - [4] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: Eve battles are lame hours long slugfests that take 0 pilot skill, makes the whole space sim genre look like trash. Its WOW in space the way battles play out. Ohhh lets sit here for 3 hours exchanging fire while i scratch my neck beard!! super fun!. You sound as if something in life is bothering you. Would you like to... talk.... about it?
dustwaffle Gravity Prone EoN. 244	Posted - 2013.07.29 11:16:00 - [5] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: Eve battles are lame hours long slugfests that take 0 pilot skill, makes the whole space sim genre look like trash. Its WOW in space the way battles play out. Ohhh lets sit here for 3 hours exchanging fire while i scratch my neck beard!! super fun!. You sound as if something in life is bothering you. Would you like to... talk.... about it? EVE is too hard for him, therefore the common response is fear followed by rage at things that are different and/or incomprehensible.
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 466	Posted - 2013.07.29 11:48:00 - [6] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: Eve battles are lame hours long slugfests that take 0 pilot skill, makes the whole space sim genre look like trash. Its WOW in space the way battles play out. Ohhh lets sit here for 3 hours exchanging fire while i scratch my neck beard!! super fun!. You sound as if something in life is bothering you. Would you like to... talk.... about it? EVE is too hard for him, therefore the common response is fear followed by rage at things that are different and/or incomprehensible. TBH, EvE PvP looks boring, but is awesome to listen to.
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 810	Posted - 2013.07.29 11:50:00 - [7] - Quote And why "us" Dust mercs will be interested on this ? Is not like is affecting us in any significant way......
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood 938	Posted - 2013.07.29 12:00:00 - [8] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: And why "us" Dust mercs will be interested on this ? Is not like is affecting us in any significant way...... You would be surprised how the politics of Eve effect dust... It might not affect you directly but there are currents in motion under the surface
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6728	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:21:00 - [9] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: And why "us" Dust mercs will be interested on this ? Is not like is affecting us in any significant way...... One of the largest potential future employers is about to get annihilated off the map entirely. After TEST that would leave only two major power houses left I think on the entire galaxy. Unless Goonswarm fracture that may get reduced to one eventually and well one guy with no enemies means none of you get hired by them to take over anything by the time we get let loose in player empire territory. And that is why you should start caring now.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1486	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:25:00 - [10] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: And why "us" Dust mercs will be interested on this ? Is not like is affecting us in any significant way...... One of the largest potential future employers is about to get annihilated off the map entirely. After TEST that would leave only two major power houses left I think on the entire galaxy. Unless Goonswarm fracture that may get reduced to one eventually and well one guy with no enemies means none of you get hired by them to take over anything by the time we get let loose in player empire territory. And that is why you should start caring now. Unless they do the smart thing and let us essentially play pirate and go about wrecking things for ***** and giggle to stir things up Pandering to much to the EVE playerbase, which has a ton of care bears judging by how they react to not constantly having an advantage, will suck what little fun there is to be had out of Dust completely
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6728	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:27:00 - [11] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: And why "us" Dust mercs will be interested on this ? Is not like is affecting us in any significant way...... One of the largest potential future employers is about to get annihilated off the map entirely. After TEST that would leave only two major power houses left I think on the entire galaxy. Unless Goonswarm fracture that may get reduced to one eventually and well one guy with no enemies means none of you get hired by them to take over anything by the time we get let loose in player empire territory. And that is why you should start caring now. Unless they do the smart thing and let us essentially play pirate and go about wrecking things for ***** and giggle to stir things up Pandering to much to the EVE playerbase, which has a ton of care bears judging by how they react to not constantly having an advantage, will suck what little fun there is to be had out of Dust completely If Test didn't have an advantage they would not have committed to the fight anyways.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 318	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:29:00 - [12] - Quote EPIC Very few games get those numbers for 4hrs of sustained battles. Only know the system in question because I sometimes go hunting around the area...not with that many players in system though PS: Fountain is where I found 16 out of my 19 officer spawns...all while PVP'ing. Love that region
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 318	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:31:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: And why "us" Dust mercs will be interested on this ? Is not like is affecting us in any significant way...... One of the largest potential future employers is about to get annihilated off the map entirely. After TEST that would leave only two major power houses left I think on the entire galaxy. Unless Goonswarm fracture that may get reduced to one eventually and well one guy with no enemies means none of you get hired by them to take over anything by the time we get let loose in player empire territory. And that is why you should start caring now. They said that about ASCN and BOB years ago A bigger fish will always emerge...and round and round it goes. Even if TEST falls, that doesn't mean its players simply quit the game.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6729	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:31:00 - [14] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: EPIC Very few games get those numbers for 4hrs of sustained battles. Only know the system in question because I sometimes go hunting around the area...not with that many players in system though I just love the simple fact the entire thing is unscripted. Nobody forced CFC or Test former best friends to get into a fight like this.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 383	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:35:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: And why "us" Dust mercs will be interested on this ? Is not like is affecting us in any significant way...... One of the largest potential future employers is about to get annihilated off the map entirely. After TEST that would leave only two major power houses left I think on the entire galaxy. Unless Goonswarm fracture that may get reduced to one eventually and well one guy with no enemies means none of you get hired by them to take over anything by the time we get let loose in player empire territory. And that is why you should start caring now. Unless they do the smart thing and let us essentially play pirate and go about wrecking things for ***** and giggle to stir things up Pandering to much to the EVE playerbase, which has a ton of care bears judging by how they react to not constantly having an advantage, will suck what little fun there is to be had out of Dust completely If Test didn't have an advantage they would not have committed to the fight anyways. Common knowledge that this was intended to be the final charge in a hopeless fight to save Fountain. Because it was hopeless. But they formed up anyway. A lot of times people don't commit without the advantage, but this time they did. "Today we fought in 6VDT. We didnGÇÖt fight to save the station, we didnGÇÖt fight to win an ISK war, and we didnGÇÖt fight to turn the war around... We fought because TEST stands together in the face of certain, guaranteed death. I wanted to give Fountain one HELL of a sendoff, and it's incredibly appropriate that it took place in our home system of 2+ years. " - http://themittani.com/news/post-6vdt-test-state-alliance And yes this is a post-loss quote, but they went into the fight with the same attitude pretty much. Supercapital fleets and friends had left, this battle clearly over before it began, yet it still happened.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 318	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:36:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: EPIC Very few games get those numbers for 4hrs of sustained battles. Only know the system in question because I sometimes go hunting around the area...not with that many players in system though I just love the simple fact the entire thing is unscripted. Nobody forced CFC or Test former best friends to get into a fight like this. Yeah, the player-driven economy/story in EVE is pretty cool. I remember how involved I was in EVE politics during the ASCN times. It was almost like real politics with intrigue and lots of betrayal
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1486	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:36:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: And why "us" Dust mercs will be interested on this ? Is not like is affecting us in any significant way...... One of the largest potential future employers is about to get annihilated off the map entirely. After TEST that would leave only two major power houses left I think on the entire galaxy. Unless Goonswarm fracture that may get reduced to one eventually and well one guy with no enemies means none of you get hired by them to take over anything by the time we get let loose in player empire territory. And that is why you should start caring now. Unless they do the smart thing and let us essentially play pirate and go about wrecking things for ***** and giggle to stir things up Pandering to much to the EVE playerbase, which has a ton of care bears judging by how they react to not constantly having an advantage, will suck what little fun there is to be had out of Dust completely If Test didn't have an advantage they would not have committed to the fight anyways. Yeah that kind of ties into what Im saying, for all their talk of EVE being a harsh place most capsuleers are a cowardly lot which is why you get this big alliances that just sit there feeding on smaller fish You need a chaotic element doing things just for the hell of it to keep things interesting and CCP needs to keep that in mind when figuring out exactly how Dust mercs are going to interact with the rest of New Eden so that chaotic element is still present
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6729	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:38:00 - [18] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: And why "us" Dust mercs will be interested on this ? Is not like is affecting us in any significant way...... One of the largest potential future employers is about to get annihilated off the map entirely. After TEST that would leave only two major power houses left I think on the entire galaxy. Unless Goonswarm fracture that may get reduced to one eventually and well one guy with no enemies means none of you get hired by them to take over anything by the time we get let loose in player empire territory. And that is why you should start caring now. Unless they do the smart thing and let us essentially play pirate and go about wrecking things for ***** and giggle to stir things up Pandering to much to the EVE playerbase, which has a ton of care bears judging by how they react to not constantly having an advantage, will suck what little fun there is to be had out of Dust completely If Test didn't have an advantage they would not have committed to the fight anyways. Common knowledge that this was intended to be the final charge in a hopeless fight to save Fountain. Because it was hopeless. But they formed up anyway. A lot of times people don't commit without the advantage, but this time they did. "Today we fought in 6VDT. We didnGÇÖt fight to save the station, we didnGÇÖt fight to win an ISK war, and we didnGÇÖt fight to turn the war around... We fought because TEST stands together in the face of certain, guaranteed death. I wanted to give Fountain one HELL of a sendoff, and it's incredibly appropriate that it took place in our home system of 2+ years. " - http://themittani.com/news/post-6vdt-test-state-alliance And yes this is a post-loss quote, but they went into the fight with the same attitude pretty much. I was referring and replying to the earlier quote though
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 466	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:39:00 - [19] - Quote Cool stuff. Can't wait until we have more involvement. =)
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 392	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:50:00 - [20] - Quote If only EVE played more like Wing Commander or Starlancer then I might be more interested. Just looks like a 3D flight sim with point and click micromanagement to me. Other than that, interesting read.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 318	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:54:00 - [21] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: If only EVE played more like Wing Commander or Starlancer then I might be more interested. Just looks like a 3D flight sim with point and click micromanagement to me. Other than that, interesting read. You could never coordinate such large fleets if it was like Wing Commander.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1757	Posted - 2013.07.29 21:58:00 - [22] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: If only EVE played more like Wing Commander or Starlancer then I might be more interested. Just looks like a 3D flight sim with point and click micromanagement to me. Other than that, interesting read. It would be great if it did, but then you couldn't have such large battles. it's essentially a turn based combat that runs in real time when battles are small and lag is low, but shifts into time dilation when the server can't keep up. That's fine for turn based play, but it would kill FPS play as everything went into slow motion.
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 452	Posted - 2013.07.29 22:34:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: And why "us" Dust mercs will be interested on this ? Is not like is affecting us in any significant way...... One of the largest potential future employers is about to get annihilated off the map entirely. After TEST that would leave only two major power houses left I think on the entire galaxy. Unless Goonswarm fracture that may get reduced to one eventually and well one guy with no enemies means none of you get hired by them to take over anything by the time we get let loose in player empire territory. And that is why you should start caring now. There's that "potential" thing again.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2513	Posted - 2013.07.29 23:12:00 - [24] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: Eve battles are lame hours long slugfests that take 0 pilot skill, makes the whole space sim genre look like trash. Its WOW in space the way battles play out. Ohhh lets sit here for 3 hours exchanging fire while i scratch my neck beard!! super fun!. You sound as if something in life is bothering you. Would you like to... talk.... about it? EVE is too hard for him, therefore the common response is fear followed by rage at things that are different and/or incomprehensible. I haven't personally played myself, but it just seems like "click and watch" to me. If eve wasn't so unique, I doubt anyone would play
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6733	Posted - 2013.07.29 23:25:00 - [25] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: Eve battles are lame hours long slugfests that take 0 pilot skill, makes the whole space sim genre look like trash. Its WOW in space the way battles play out. Ohhh lets sit here for 3 hours exchanging fire while i scratch my neck beard!! super fun!. You sound as if something in life is bothering you. Would you like to... talk.... about it? EVE is too hard for him, therefore the common response is fear followed by rage at things that are different and/or incomprehensible. I haven't personally played myself, but it just seems like "click and watch" to me. If eve wasn't so unique, I doubt anyone would play Its click and watch where you have a choice of 15,000 different modules, 500 different kinds of ships on your end and your enemies are just as limited to the same sort of choices, which results in nearly massive non-infinite number of combinations any number of sides could have show up to this fight in. Luckily only 2 showed up this could have been a four or three way. Fleet Doctrines, logistics, months of planning finally getting executed. The Fall of Fountain was a massive undertaking overall by an extraordinarily large number of players of all sorts making it this event possible. Like a well executed raid with no known possible outcomes or known phases of the fight all of it unknown.
dazlb72 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 62	Posted - 2013.07.29 23:26:00 - [26] - Quote what's eve?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6733	Posted - 2013.07.29 23:29:00 - [27] - Quote dazlb72 wrote: what's eve? The space navy version of this game.
dazlb72 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 62	Posted - 2013.07.29 23:37:00 - [28] - Quote never heard of it
STABBEY Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2013.07.29 23:38:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You can read about it all here, lots and lots of thing died today including an alliance capital system. Breakdown of the entire fight including rough numbers http://themittani.com/news/live-reports-battle-6vdt-cfc-victorious Report of the Aftermath http://themittani.com/features/6vdt-cfc-battle-report What TEST alliance had to say about it today. http://themittani.com/news/post-6vdt-test-state-alliance And something similar to what you guys experience in dust right now the End of Match Score screen :P http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=22475 Who gives a sh*t i play dust. We need dust CPM's not eve CPM's on dust.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6736	Posted - 2013.07.29 23:42:00 - [30] - Quote STABBEY wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You can read about it all here, lots and lots of thing died today including an alliance capital system. Breakdown of the entire fight including rough numbers http://themittani.com/news/live-reports-battle-6vdt-cfc-victorious Report of the Aftermath http://themittani.com/features/6vdt-cfc-battle-report What TEST alliance had to say about it today. http://themittani.com/news/post-6vdt-test-state-alliance And something similar to what you guys experience in dust right now the End of Match Score screen :P http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=22475 Who gives a sh*t i play dust. We need dust CPM's not eve CPM's on dust. I play New Eden.

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