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Zekain Kade
TeamPlayers EoN.
1344
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:27:00 -
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I feel that not throwing every skill point into a single weapon, suit, and core skills actually allows the player to be far more versatile on the field.
I have 4 proto type weapons, LAV's, Tanks, and proto, basic frame suit. The only thing im missing from what i use to have in chrome are drop ships.
This sort of skill point spread allows me to compete in cqc areas, allows me to actually fight off tanks, and either counter shield tankers, or take on a more balanced, standard roll with the trusty assault rifle.
If neither of those play syles are needed, I can bring down a tank to tip the gun play balance. I honestly think that the only purpose tanks have right now is to distract the enemy team, and force them to switch to something that leaves them vulnerable to infantry.
Or I can bring down an LLAV and do... stuff...
Some people think that dumping all of your skill points into a single suit, weapon, and core skills is the best way to go. Why is that? Sure, you'll have amazing efficiency with that combo, but you'll leave yourself open to everything else.
What are all of your views? Do you think its better to specialize in one thing to transform into a specialized super tool. or cover many rolls, and become a swiss army knife? |
Kinkku-Ananas Kepappi
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:31:00 -
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I got myself into a GEK AR to have a reliable weapon for possible corp battles where a Freedom Mass Driver might not always be the best choice. Also have advanced Swarms for killing LAVs.
+ advanced injector, nanohive, uplink
And a Proto Minnie logi for speed and its good slot layout.
So IMO spec into one thing but have other options as well.
//EDIT - I don't actually play anymore but this is what I did. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
125
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:32:00 -
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Game is dead in 6 months, who gives a ****? |
STABBEY
WarRavens League of Infamy
90
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:42:00 -
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Jack of all trades, master of none. Thats all fine and dandy for pub matches. BUT for competitive gameplay if you go toe to toe with som1 fully specialized into there role your a dead man. SIDE NOTE after im fully specialized into my class and role (I'm only 6mill SP away now) I will have all the core skills to cross train into any other role on the field I want to, whether that be a logi/AV/Scout ect.
My advice: Fully specialize THEN specc into other things |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
543
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:48:00 -
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Skilling into multiple roles will allow you to adapt to different combat situations. Regardless of whether it an all out infantry war or tank battle different skills will prove very useful in the long run.
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Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1521
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:50:00 -
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Core skills > Everything else
If you have your core skills up then do whatever you want. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
341
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:51:00 -
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Here's the thing. Just skill up enough to get into what you really want. Just enough to be effective and so you have ol' reliable to fall back on. Then the bare minimum for other things you want to do.
I had gone full Logistics before the respec and gotten bored with the grind and stopped playing. The respec came and instead focused on core skills. Originally I was going to finish my core skills first (because Skinweave Minmatar Dropsuit is OP like that). ALL OF THEM. I got into levels 4 of the PG/CPU skills and had 500,000 SP left over and said "**** it" and put enough to get the basics of most guns.
It was the best decision I ever made in regards to Dust. Whenever I get bored of something, I have SO much variety to choose from that I always have a reason to play. Got bored of being a logi? I got my Remote Explosive Madness. Got fed up with that? AR. I've got heavy loadouts for defending points and blowing up vehicles. I've got Scramblers, Plasma Cannons, and shotguns. I GOT IT ALL, BABY AND I GOT ALL THE MOTIVATION TO USE 'EM!
He is the core gamer, the bastard child of the casual and hardcore gamer. He invests the former's effort and cries when he doesn't get the latter's results.
CrotchGrab 360 wrote:You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
256
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:53:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Game is dead in 6 months, who gives a ****? Booooooooooooooooo! |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:58:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:I feel that not throwing every skill point into a single weapon, suit, and core skills actually allows the player to be far more versatile on the field.
I have 4 proto type weapons, LAV's, Tanks, and proto, basic frame suit. The only thing im missing from what i use to have in chrome are drop ships, and a AVD heavy suit.
This sort of skill point spread allows me to compete in cqc areas, allows me to actually fight off tanks, and either counter shield tankers, or take on a more balanced, standard roll with the trusty assault rifle.
If neither of those play syles are needed, I can bring down a tank to tip the gun play balance. I honestly think that the only purpose tanks have right now is to distract the enemy team, and force them to switch to something that leaves them vulnerable to infantry.
Or I can bring down an LLAV and do... stuff...
Some people think that dumping all of your skill points into a single suit, weapon, and core skills is the best way to go. Why is that? Sure, you'll have amazing efficiency with that combo, but you'll leave yourself open to everything else.
What are all of your views? Do you think its better to specialize in one thing to transform into a specialized super tool. or cover many rolls, and become a swiss army knife?
This is an effective method of play, the only thing you could do to make it better, is to have a squad of good players to cover your weaknesses. I play a Jake-of-Trades build, which works for me, as I don't enjoy the idea of sticking to one strategy, I prefer to act as needed, at times it means I have to lonewolf it or on other occasions become the team medic.
Only problem is, I'm not as well equipped as my enemies half the time, which can make things a bit more difficult than it should be, sometimes I think about going back to my sniper build from Chromesome, but I start to remember the times I have finished the enemy team with just a few battlefield adjustments.
But to answer your question, I think it's better to have a specialize role if your in a good team with good coordination, a J-T build can work that way to, but it's not as easy, a JoT is more like a spare tire, you never know when you might need one.
But I still miss my Charge Rifle. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
847
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Posted - 2013.07.29 04:03:00 -
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When SP is limited (< 10m), prioritizing a single role is probably the best choice. This game is too much of a SP sink right now to spread out roles without a boatload of lifetime SP. But once you pretty much max out one role, spreading to others is probably a good idea, plus it keeps the game from getting boring if you have multiple roles to play with.
But remember, a jack of all trades is a master of nothing... Unless you have the SP |
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dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
126
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Posted - 2013.07.29 04:38:00 -
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Don't'cha know? You're not suppose to spend SP, only hoard it. Something else will come out you wanna try or the weapon/suit your using might get nerfed. Much better to save it, suffer for it, and smile.
In all seriousness, it's better to specialize through max/min-ing, and then branch out. By this I mean consider what you need to get to what you're looking for, plot out your SP to get it and don't deviate, so you can reach your goal as quickly as possible. Also consider spending a little cash for the ability to try items at base level without having to spec into them. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Mango and Friends
782
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Posted - 2013.07.29 04:42:00 -
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Well I specced into charys, gunnies, maddies, callogi, nanocircuitry, and mass driver and im doing alright for money so iguess i dont do too bad for myself. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
393
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Posted - 2013.07.29 04:58:00 -
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Cores pretty much maxxed. I'm well into AR, Shotgun, Snipes, Flays, and Swarms. I can always change it up and keep the game from getting stagnant. More importantly (to me), I can kill whatever killed me last. If I gave a **** about competing in PC, I may have focused my weapon skills a little more.
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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
186
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Posted - 2013.07.29 05:02:00 -
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Before the official release I had a heavy omni role and a sever medic options. It was nice changing things up. Now I'm only a Dren Heavy slowly upgrading his Ishukone Watch Saga. For whatever reason(s) finding fun has become allot harder in this game. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
48
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Posted - 2013.07.29 09:56:00 -
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Im a masochist so I always spec into gimping things, then proceed to stomp protobears
Proto mini scout
Nova Knives level 5 MD level 3 (spec'd this before 1.2) Snipers level 4 Swarms level 3 grenades level 1 explosives level 1 LLAVs Tanks
Speccing into plasma cannons next. |
Roldrage
DIOS X. II Top Men.
118
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Posted - 2013.07.29 09:58:00 -
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Spec into something reliable to start then branch out as you see fit. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
810
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Posted - 2013.07.29 10:05:00 -
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Nerf/Buff 514
Almost everything gets buffed or nerfed at one point or another... so i say "variety" is the key, be ready for anything. |
Paladin Sas
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
105
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Posted - 2013.07.29 10:13:00 -
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my advice being, spec into what you think you will have the most fun in, and pour your points into it, then when your happy with your suit/weapon performance, find some other weapons, equipment, or something that isnt to skill intensive to sidegrade into, and meshes well with your style of play |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
533
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Posted - 2013.07.29 10:20:00 -
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Also there are so many more overlapping skills over core skills which can be used in almost every role, be they uplinks, nanohives etc.
But for lower SP characters, build your go-to-fit (and those core skills) before branching out by skilling into different dropsuits and whatnot. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
261
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:05:00 -
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In chrome I went too wide an couldn't wait for respec, come up rising I still went to wide even tho I narrowed in an I quickly sent in my request for respec an thank god I got it. At the time I had 8 mill, now I have 15.
At this time I can afford to spread out but I learned to keep it tight. I specialized in scout, everything I need for it is complex, I have 4 weapons at proficiency 3. Now I'm goin all the way with one.
All my extra skills are at advanced. Basically instead of skilling too wide I go advanced on the good cheap skills an get everything I want to there since I have the importants stuff all the way up, this way you can do something like get drop links to advance right away instead of Savin for say a guns pro 4 . Same cost but now your of more team value than wasting sp on three % since the guns good anyway then once it's all advanced an proto you can slowly bring it all up since every skill now costs at least 400000 then you specialize again. Seems to work good this way for me |
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Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
656
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Posted - 2013.07.29 16:43:00 -
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specialize... Iw wouldn't try and make one toon a vehicle and infantry player (not until I have 30-40 million SP) mainly due to them not sharing any of the core skills.
If your an assault or heavy you might be able to get away with it at 20 mil, however as a logi i'm at 20 mil SP and havn't finished all of my equipment stuff yet.
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
174
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:02:00 -
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ive spec'd
proto light frame, gallente scout lvl 3
proto medium frame, adv gallente logi
ptoto submachine guns, proto SCR, adv AR, adv swarms, and adv damage mods
adv grenades and adv demolitions
core skills for suit maxxed all logi gear advanced
anything with a passive like dampening, precision enhancers, and range amplifiers to lvl 3
armor repping and plates lvl 5, all shield to lvl 3 shield recharging lvl 5
kincats and regulators both at lvl 3
and probably a couple more things ive forgot
im working on my electronics and engineering now
when they release a gallente heavy I will probably spec into that aswell |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
339
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:07:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:ive spec'd
proto light frame, gallente scout lvl 3
proto medium frame, adv gallente logi
ptoto submachine guns, proto SCR, adv AR, adv swarms, and adv damage mods
adv grenades and adv demolitions
core skills for suit maxxed all logi gear advanced
anything with a passive like dampening, precision enhancers, and range amplifiers to lvl 3
armor repping and plates lvl 5, all shield to lvl 3 shield recharging lvl 5
kincats and regulators both at lvl 3
and probably a couple more things ive forgot
im working on my electronics and engineering now
when they release a gallente heavy I will probably spec into that aswell
geez how much SP do you have? |
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
175
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:09:00 -
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a little over 13 mill |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
170
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:16:00 -
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I like onion rolls myself, so good for sandwiches. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
762
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:19:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Here's the thing. Just skill up enough to get into what you really want. Just enough to be effective and so you have ol' reliable to fall back on. Then the bare minimum for other things you want to do. I had gone full Logistics before the respec and gotten bored with the grind and stopped playing. The respec came and instead focused on core skills. Originally I was going to finish my core skills first (because Skinweave Minmatar Dropsuit is OP like that). ALL OF THEM. I got into levels 4 of the PG/CPU skills and had 500,000 SP left over and said "**** it" and put enough to get the basics of most guns. It was the best decision I ever made in regards to Dust. Whenever I get bored of something, I have SO much variety to choose from that I always have a reason to play. Got bored of being a logi? I got my Remote Explosive Madness. Got fed up with that? AR. I've got heavy loadouts for defending points and blowing up vehicles. I've got Scramblers, Plasma Cannons, and shotguns. I GOT IT ALL, BABY AND I GOT ALL THE MOTIVATION TO USE 'EM!
He is the core gamer, the bastard child of the casual and hardcore gamer. He invests the former's effort and cries when he doesn't get the latter's results. CrotchGrab 360 wrote:You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom.
I used to love playing in my skinweaves.. then I met Dren |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1354
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Posted - 2013.07.29 17:28:00 -
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if you want to perform well in PC.. you need to do specialize into something.
Its probably a big reason why so many corps can't hold their own. Unwise use of SP for many players thinking they can win in PC without proto gear and mostly maxed out supporting passives.
Once your specialization gets nerfed though and can no longer do what you want it to... well its probably best to just move on and find a new game. Thankfully PS4 is coming out soon! |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
970
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:25:00 -
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Instead of being able to fill every role to a reasonable degree, I've spent all my SP on one role that can meet every circumstance to a reasonable degree.
In this respect, it is better to specialise. But it's also dependant on the people you play with. |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
507
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:30:00 -
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Just don't throw all your SP at dropships like I did. I've been waiting for 6 months for CCP to make them better, and I'm sure some other people have been waiting longer than that. |
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