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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.29 02:56:00 -
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I've seen quite a few people asking why their resistances aren't adding up correctly, so I thought that I'd help to explain. The question is "If I have 10% from skills and add a 15% resistance module, why don't I get 25%? Am I getting a stacking penalty or something?"
The answer to the question is no, no stacking penalties are being added. This is why you don't get 25%:
Damage resistance = 1 - [ ( 1 - x ) * ( 1 - y ) * (1 - z) ]
Where x is vehicle base resistance (currently on LLAVs only), y is resistance from skills, and z is the resistance from your first module.
Let's say for example you have level 5 shield upgrades and one 15% shield resistance module on a Charybdis with LLAV 3. Your damage resistance is 1 - [ ( 1 - .25 ) * ( 1 - .10 ) * (1 - .06) ] = .3655.
This is the basic formula without any stacking penalties involved, but if you have more than one resistance module, then you need to correctly apply stacking penalties.
I hope this helps! |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:07:00 -
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I appreciate this information. Genuinely did not know this.
Is it the same for proficiency skills and damage mods? |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.29 03:08:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:I appreciate this information. Genuinely did not know this.
Is it the same for proficiency skills and damage mods?
As far as proficiency skills and damage mods, I believe they affect base stats and not modified stats, while resistances apply to modified stats. And thanks for the feedback! |
Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.07.29 04:28:00 -
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It is more or less the same for damage:
Damage dealt = (Base damage) * [ ( 1 + 0.03 * proficiency level) * ( 1 + module1 ) * (1 + module2 * 0.87) * ... ]
The modules should be ordered such that the best is first and the worst is last.
There is currently a bug with the display of fitting screen stats (I don't know if this affects in game stats) for modules that provide a reduction (speed, damage taken/resistance). It orders then in the reverse order ie. the best last and the worst first. |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.29 14:10:00 -
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Garth Mandra wrote:It is more or less the same for damage:
Damage dealt = (Base damage) * [ ( 1 + 0.03 * proficiency level) * ( 1 + module1 ) * (1 + module2 * 0.87) * ... ]
The modules should be ordered such that the best is first and the worst is last.
There is currently a bug with the display of fitting screen stats (I don't know if this affects in game stats) for modules that provide a reduction (speed, damage taken/resistance). It orders then in the reverse order ie. the best last and the worst first.
I did not know about this, thanks for the info!
Would you happen to know if turret skills apply one after the other or are added? (Turret Operation 5 + Hybrid Turret 5 = 1.15 or TO * HT = 1.155) |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:09:00 -
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i think i should tell you this
get ready
LLAVs have base 30% resistance! thats why they are hard to kill. |
Bendtner92
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:14:00 -
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ladwar wrote:LLAVs have base 30% resistance!
We know.
LLAVs are dumb. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:16:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:ladwar wrote:LLAVs have base 30% resistance! We know. LLAVs are dumb.
can we just get this switched to logi dropships? they might live longer that way up in the sky. |
Protocake JR
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:19:00 -
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I'm not a vehicle user, but i'm curious as to how you found out this equation? I'm intrigued (and drunk). |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:27:00 -
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I'm just gonna throw in words here so this makes more sense:
If you have Shield Upgrades level 5, you have a base 10% resistance (2% per level). Now, any resistance you add will only be added against the 90% remaining. So, 15% x 90% = 13.5%. Add on the original 10% and we've got 23.5%. |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:30:00 -
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Halador Osiris wrote:I'm just gonna throw in words here so this makes more sense:
If you have Shield Upgrades level 5, you have a base 10% resistance (2% per level). Now, any resistance you add will only be added against the 90% remaining. So, 15% x 90% = 13.5%. Add on the original 10% and we've got 23.5%.
psss it goes off of the highest but in this case it is the same both ways. |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.29 15:44:00 -
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LLAVs got 30%? I'll just remove that example whenever I can then.
Protocake JR wrote:I'm not a vehicle user, but i'm curious as to how you found out this equation? I'm intrigued (and drunk).
It was quite simple. My two and a half years of experience in EVE already taught me that resists aren't additive but rather apply to what's left. Such as two 50% resists get you 75% total resists. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.29 19:22:00 -
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Yeah, the change to the vehicle shield and armour skills are actually pretty useful in retrospect, they really made the chary in particular get some ridiculous resistance rates. And what's this about LLAV's getting a base 30% resist, I've never noticed it, where'd you find that info? |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.29 20:15:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Yeah, the change to the vehicle shield and armour skills are actually pretty useful in retrospect, they really made the chary in particular get some ridiculous resistance rates. And what's this about LLAV's getting a base 30% resist, I've never noticed it, where'd you find that info?
Without any mods and my skills (level 4 shield upgrades and level 1 LLAV), my Charybdis starts out with about 35% resists. I never knew for sure what the base damage resist was and my last calculations (some time ago) gave me 25% as a base resist and I assumed it was 25% ever since, though I might be wrong, and I'd like to know how much it's base resist actually is. Add two 15% damage resist mods and it goes up to 52%, while stacking three damage resists on my Gunnlogi gets 38%  |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.30 00:40:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Yeah, the change to the vehicle shield and armour skills are actually pretty useful in retrospect, they really made the chary in particular get some ridiculous resistance rates. And what's this about LLAV's getting a base 30% resist, I've never noticed it, where'd you find that info?
it'll tell you on the fitting screen what the total passive resistance is for both armor and shields. i did an alt and tested the LLAVs and it turns out both have 30% base resistance before the 10% from other skills giving 37% with the full 10%. but this applies to which tank it is. chary has 30% base on shields(0%armor) and limbus have a 30% base on armor(0%shields). |
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