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da GAND 187. 162	Posted - 2013.07.28 06:32:00 - [1] - Quote I just feel like it's too late for CCP to save Dust 514, these monthly updates should've been happening along time ago. PS4 is coming out soon and there is very little or no reason at all for many people to stay on the PS3 to play a game that needs so much more content,fixes and weapons balancing. Dust 514 is a great idea but that's all it is right now, sure we've all had plenty of fun playing this game. But it's missing so much, these upcoming updates such as 1.4 and further on might make everyone here happy for awhile but I just don't feel like it'll last long even though I don't know what's in the future updates I just don't believe CCP has anything epic ready anytime soon. -New maps (no not maps mixed and edited that we already have) will probably have about a month of excitement -fixes (getting rid of invisible walls, messed up terrain) although needed won't be a big deal but we will be glad the problems gone -New weapons will probably need to be balanced as CCP doesn't seem to really test their weapons enough, finding the balance will take a month or two while we lose isk by getting killed by some ****** using an OP weapon. Then we'll want a respec when CCP figures out how to balance it or nerf it. -EVE/Dust connection: this game is still a lobby shooter, we're stuck in our quarters and we can't really do much to affect EVE All of these things could've been improved with monthly updates that should've been happening along time ago (chromosome build) I don't see why we couldn't have had the flaylock or scrambler rifle in chromosome. Waiting 6 months and jamming everything in the update seems pretty stupid since it wasn't much of a change anyways. I'm sorry but I just really feel like Dust 514 was a missed opportunity, CCP ran out of time. I don't believe that a PS4 version will come anytime soon. Possibly years since it's taken so long for them to figure out that they need more developers. I'll be here until this game dies or when I get the PS4.
da GAND 187. 166	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:07:00 - [2] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: da GAND wrote: I just feel like it's too late for CCP to save Dust 514, these monthly updates should've been happening along time ago. PS4 is coming out soon and there is very little or no reason at all for many people to stay on the PS3 to play a game that needs so much more content,fixes and weapons balancing. Dust 514 is a great idea but that's all it is right now, sure we've all had plenty of fun playing this game. But it's missing so much, these upcoming updates such as 1.4 and further on might make everyone here happy for awhile but I just don't feel like it'll last long even though I don't know what's in the future updates I just don't believe CCP has anything epic ready anytime soon. -New maps (no not maps mixed and edited that we already have) will probably have about a month of excitement -fixes (getting rid of invisible walls, messed up terrain) although needed won't be a big deal but we will be glad the problems gone -New weapons will probably need to be balanced as CCP doesn't seem to really test their weapons enough, finding the balance will take a month or two while we lose isk by getting killed by some **** using an OP weapon. Then we'll want a respec when CCP figures out how to balance it or nerf it. -EVE/Dust connection: this game is still a lobby shooter, we're stuck in our quarters and we can't really do much to affect EVE All of these things could've been improved with monthly updates that should've been happening along time ago (chromosome build) I don't see why we couldn't have had the flaylock or scrambler rifle in chromosome. Waiting 6 months and jamming everything in the update seems pretty stupid since it wasn't much of a change anyways. I'm sorry but I just really feel like Dust 514 was a missed opportunity, CCP ran out of time. I don't believe that a PS4 version will come anytime soon. Possibly years since it's taken so long for them to figure out that they need more developers. I'll be here until this game dies or when I get the PS4. Don't forget the invisible glitch that is getting old Ya that's the most f*** up glitch right now lol
da GAND 187. 167	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:27:00 - [3] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: There is plenty reason for people to stay on PS3, sony is still using the 10 year life plan, lot's of great games will still be released for it.. and do you know how long it took for the majority to switch from PS2 - PS3? Yes people were still playing the ps2 even when the ps3 was released. I might just be overreacting, since there's gonna be a new GTA and Fallout 4 is also coming out on the ps3.
da GAND 187. 170	Posted - 2013.07.28 19:26:00 - [4] - Quote Planetside2PS4F2P wrote: Yes planetside 2 and ps4 will devour dust like a sand storm. Eve fans will finally have the game they always wanted easy mode noob tube kb/m shooter on a ps3. Lool stfu plz, even though people from Dust may go to PS2.
da GAND 187. 173	Posted - 2013.07.28 20:45:00 - [5] - Quote Atikali Havendoorr wrote: Agreed with OP. And the fact that the OP don't get any fanboy bash, rantings or deep explanations to why OP is wrong kinda confirms it. On the other hand, it's the middle of the summer for most here. And I didn't expect a full release of Dust until autumn or winter. Dust is virtually still in beta. If they can get their act together and practically make a full release sometime this year, they can still make it. But I am worried. There are some really good games in the pipeline right now. And because of the generation shift imminent they cannot afford more delays. If it only was 2012 now... If/when Dust dies, I'll go back to Raptor:call of the shadows. and I will go back to PC games, might get the ps4 a year or two from now
da GAND 187. 177	Posted - 2013.07.28 22:44:00 - [6] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: The main threat to Dust is the PS4. Although it will be F2P, so will Planetside 2(and some other war game I can't think of), and like it or not it, has more favorable reviews than Dust. I really can see Sony cutting Dust off. Indeed CCP definitely is under the pressure right now
da GAND 187. 177	Posted - 2013.07.28 23:19:00 - [7] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: people have been saying dust is dead for over a year now, and in that time its core sub numbers have gone up not down. i look forword to shooting the dust with my bro at the xmas expansion I'm pretty sure there was a time where I would log on and there would be 9,000 people online. Now it's down to 5,000 or a few hundred less.
da GAND 187. 177	Posted - 2013.07.28 23:28:00 - [8] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: I'm not wasting my money on a first generation problem child. I'll give it til the second round of PS4s start floating around. So, I'll be on PS3 probably until this time next year. And have a well-reviewed library to choose from too. that's probably best
da GAND 187. 179	Posted - 2013.07.28 23:58:00 - [9] - Quote Jason Punk wrote: dday3six wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: The main threat to Dust is the PS4. Although it will be F2P, so will Planetside 2(and some other war game I can't think of), and like it or not it, has more favorable reviews than Dust. I really can see Sony cutting Dust off. I think Sony might be more inclined to lend CCP support first. Honestly it would be a lot smarter if they kept them close but not too close for comfort. They have actually placed their competition right in their pocket really. I wouldn't move CCP anywhere but where they wanted to go, following everything they innovate with my own content. That in mind however, their are virtues (or rather lack their of ) in New Eden that Planetside can never even hope to compete with. Market, Single Shard, and Meta to say the least, but the primary is a decade old political community merging with a bunch of teenage FPS players and collaborating. If they can still pull this off...damn, I'm not sure there's ever really going to be something this experimental fun for a while A fun experiment
da GAND 187. 180	Posted - 2013.07.29 01:11:00 - [10] - Quote GTA-V FTW wrote: This game won't die because of PS4, this game is going to die because it just sucks and there are so many much better games coming out for both PS3 &4. it doesn't suck

da GAND 187. 182	Posted - 2013.07.29 13:56:00 - [11] - Quote Bad Heal wrote: Get ready, PS4 is coming. I'll probably try to keep up with the weekly cap... however it will only be for a few weeks, realistically. And I won't be the only one. MCC camping will be intense for about a month and a half after release of PS4. Then it will bleed out. Dust will stay around because a lot of EVE players will still play but you may see a player base of 1500-ish on good days. Good luck I agree EVE players are most likely to stay around the longest
da GAND 187. 187	Posted - 2013.07.29 14:41:00 - [12] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Where is CCP going to get the money to keep funding this project? Show of hands of how many vet's, or people who have been here 6+ months who have recently purchased anything in game? Would love to see a graph of people spending $$ on this game since uprising came out. Couple all the in game flaws of graphics, balance, aiming, hit detection, lav's, etc etc. The "end game" is supposed to be PC, but the problem here is that it is too easy for the few/minority to ruin that aspect of the game as well.. wether they are awoxing, spamming broken weapons, or hiring the best players in the game to fight for them when they are going to lose, its all just a big broken pile of ****. I've never bought any AUR or any of those packs, its f2p and I'm keeping it that way for me
da GAND 187. 190	Posted - 2013.07.29 15:32:00 - [13] - Quote Hellkeizer wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: Everyone knows that as soon as the PS4 comes out, Sony will hit the killswitch that will render inert all PS3s across the globe. Then the PS4 will come preloaded with Planet Side 2, where you can spend $7 worth of station cash to buy a "new" gun that is a clone of the basic model, just with different stats, and reskins are a couple dollars more. Then you can go and fight the subscribed members, who're earning cert points 2-3x as fast as you are and are tens of ranks ahead of you within a couple of weeks. Seriously, just as much stupid **** goes on in PS2 as in DUST514, PS2 just has larger, persistent maps with controls that are a bit tighter. Sometimes I think that those who hype PS2 so much here must be on some sort of payroll, because why else would they put so much energy into it? Sony said themselves that they aren't giving up on the PS3 that's way Destiny and other games are going to be made for both consoles I hope your right
da GAND 187. 190	Posted - 2013.07.29 15:43:00 - [14] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Relax everyone CCP realize this problem and they are gonna fix it so keep your hopes up before this really happens cos of your depression and negativity Hope? I barely have any hope left for Dust
da GAND 187. 190	Posted - 2013.07.29 15:44:00 - [15] - Quote Hellkeizer wrote: da GAND wrote: Hellkeizer wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: Everyone knows that as soon as the PS4 comes out, Sony will hit the killswitch that will render inert all PS3s across the globe. Then the PS4 will come preloaded with Planet Side 2, where you can spend $7 worth of station cash to buy a "new" gun that is a clone of the basic model, just with different stats, and reskins are a couple dollars more. Then you can go and fight the subscribed members, who're earning cert points 2-3x as fast as you are and are tens of ranks ahead of you within a couple of weeks. Seriously, just as much stupid **** goes on in PS2 as in DUST514, PS2 just has larger, persistent maps with controls that are a bit tighter. Sometimes I think that those who hype PS2 so much here must be on some sort of payroll, because why else would they put so much energy into it? Sony said themselves that they aren't giving up on the PS3 that's way Destiny and other games are going to be made for both consoles I hope your right If you search it there should be an article on it, I would provide a link but idk if it'd work as I'm on my phone So we are gonna be charged to play online even on the ps3?
da GAND 187. 190	Posted - 2013.07.29 15:46:00 - [16] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: GTA-V FTW wrote: da GAND wrote: GTA-V FTW wrote: This game won't die because of PS4, this game is going to die because it just sucks and there are so many much better games coming out for both PS3 &4. it doesn't suck Yeah it kinda does suck. If it didn't suck more people would be playing it. So yeah it sucks. There are less people who plays other game than dust they have about 50 thousand players now thats successful and for CCP to be proud of. 5,000 for Dust max , for EVE it could be around 45,000 or much more
da GAND 187. 191	Posted - 2013.07.29 16:04:00 - [17] - Quote oh good I was like why would you do this Sony?! lol
da GAND 187. 192	Posted - 2013.07.29 16:11:00 - [18] - Quote It sure would Jason Punk, at this point being able to board EVE ships sounds like it would save Dust 514. Temporarily.....
da GAND 187. 192	Posted - 2013.07.29 16:21:00 - [19] - Quote MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote: Jason Punk wrote: da GAND wrote: Hellkeizer wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: Everyone knows that as soon as the PS4 comes out, Sony will hit the killswitch that will render inert all PS3s across the globe. Then the PS4 will come preloaded with Planet Side 2, where you can spend $7 worth of station cash to buy a "new" gun that is a clone of the basic model, just with different stats, and reskins are a couple dollars more. Then you can go and fight the subscribed members, who're earning cert points 2-3x as fast as you are and are tens of ranks ahead of you within a couple of weeks. Seriously, just as much stupid **** goes on in PS2 as in DUST514, PS2 just has larger, persistent maps with controls that are a bit tighter. Sometimes I think that those who hype PS2 so much here must be on some sort of payroll, because why else would they put so much energy into it? Sony said themselves that they aren't giving up on the PS3 that's way Destiny and other games are going to be made for both consoles I hope your right They have some 80 million units sold globaly and their about to demand a fee to play online. They sure as hell better not drop support, else they'll be faced with tad bit of a shitstorm. PS3 wont require a fee, thats what will keep it going. Only ps4 will require fee to play online.
da GAND 187. 192	Posted - 2013.07.29 16:29:00 - [20] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: Dust is very much going to be a niche game much like MAG was. It will never have overwhelming numbers of folks playing it like BF3, Cod or other games. Guess what, that is fine. MAG lived a very long time being a niche game even after lots of us left it to go to other games. The hardcore maggots kept it alive. The hardcore Dust fan base reminds me of those die hard mag players. They can keep it going for awhile. They better spend real life money on it though. CCP is not supporting it out of the kindness of their hearts. I can see it lasting another full year on ps3 then being ported over to ps4 in 2015 or at least I hope it will not be any later than that. Some folks wont get a ps4 right away, but eventually lots that do not, will cave in and then get one. dust will need to be on ps4 when that time comes. I hope they have a plan to bring it over and if not, then they should consider making it a PC game. I think the game could thrive as a PC game more so than console. thnx for the long explanation (not sarcasm) plenty of people here have said that the PS3 will last a couple more years so I suppose you guys are right. But I really think that they went for the PS3 because they'll have more players on the PS3 than they would have on the PC.

da GAND 187. 194	Posted - 2013.07.29 16:50:00 - [21] - Quote TuFar Gon wrote: Boomer Dues Mortis wrote: I will continue playing this game in hopes that one day it lives up to its potential, the sad thing is though it will be on the back burner for me with play time. With Destiny, bf4, gta5, watch dogs, division, witcher 3. With all those games coming out CCP really needs to kick it into overdrive because a lot of people will leave for good for those games and not come back. I still have hope for Dust 514 and I would hate to see it fail. Dont forget elderscrolls online,, fellow rpg gamers will lose themselves in that game,,,never to b found again lol,,,,good luck CCP, youe gunna need it so many games, so few reasons to stay on Dust
da GAND 187. 198	Posted - 2013.07.29 17:25:00 - [22] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: da GAND wrote: TuFar Gon wrote: Boomer Dues Mortis wrote: I will continue playing this game in hopes that one day it lives up to its potential, the sad thing is though it will be on the back burner for me with play time. With Destiny, bf4, gta5, watch dogs, division, witcher 3. With all those games coming out CCP really needs to kick it into overdrive because a lot of people will leave for good for those games and not come back. I still have hope for Dust 514 and I would hate to see it fail. Dont forget elderscrolls online,, fellow rpg gamers will lose themselves in that game,,,never to b found again lol,,,,good luck CCP, youe gunna need it so many games, so few reasons to stay on Dust Ive pretty much already left. Once BF4 GTA5 and Killzone Shadowfall drop, Ill probably be gone for good. Don't forget The Division, Destiny and PS2
da GAND 187. 201	Posted - 2013.07.29 17:51:00 - [23] - Quote Ya maybe not GTA-V FTW, I heard PS2 doesn't let you customize as much as you can in Dust. But the community here will leave and split off into other games. Until a PS4 version comes out, or we may not all even leave yet. If CCP has a surprise in 1.4 that'll keep us entertained, and in other updates also.
da GAND 187. 202	Posted - 2013.07.29 19:48:00 - [24] - Quote Atikali Havendoorr wrote: I strongly disagree with peeps saying this should go for PC (computer). The whole point of making a new game in the same universe that is vastly different and on a console is to attract a whole new player base. I'm really surprised by how many EVEO players there are here. Sure, the F2P business model may suit better on PC, and especially a game of this type - from CCP - that should be in constant development with frequent updates and expansions. But Sony are themselves releasing a F2P game, and some more are on the road, which means the industry is aware of this, most importantly the console maker. Much have happened in the gaming industry during the time the PS3 has been around. Changes have been substantial. Back then there where virtually no smartphones. I think there is room for a game like Dust on a console. Heck, there _has_ to be. If not, there is no need for consoles at all. PC and handheld devices could fill the void. Sony and MS must make sure they are still relevant for gaming, and kinda reinvent the market. They must make an effort to show everyone that they have the best gaming platfrom. They can't expect to be that. So far, Sony have done very well IMO. Back to Dust. The point is to break new borders. Not make something that has already been iterated dozens of times. Kb/m support is as far "PC" suport goes. I hope. If they go PC totally, me and everyone I convinced trying Dust are gone for good. Agreed Dust 514 seems fine on consoles for now, if they could make a PC version that would be on the tranquility server just like us PS3 players that would be cool.
da GAND 187. 207	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:42:00 - [25] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Basically agree with what you're saying except that I don't think it's too late. Everybody likes a comeback story. If CCP stays committed to it and it can stay in stable condition for long enough DUST is likely to eventually realize its potential. When that time comes there will be a marketing push and people that tried it before will try again and be impressed. New folks will join in and it will have a healthy niche in the shooter market. It's like a premature baby that has to be kept under constant monitoring and care in the hospital until it grows stronger. CCP seems to be trying its best to give it the best care possible. They probably shouldn't have induced so early but that's in the past. Hopefully players can keep its heart beating for long enough because it is special and it can be great. If it's not too late then how much time do you think CCP will have? Even of it isn't too late I think that they still won't be fast enough to get things right and deliver.