DUST Search - Redzone Sniping?

ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:

Sgt Buttscratch wrote:

Counter snipe....

Us snipers see weapons with a higher FR than 50.0 as unfair, or the fact the rendering is beyond screwed. Or damage was screwed with in a bad way, or should I say, another shield favored change.
How bout you get on with your game and leave us to play using our tactics, don't like it don't do it, don't like others doing it, blow their ******* skulls out. We are using the map, as it is given to us, and on my screen, Iam NOT in the redzone. I don't get a gtfo countdown.

Your safe zone is the enemies red zone and is not visible to you. THAT'S why you don't get a count down and that's why people hate it. To be high up in the mountains takes more then 20 seconds do to the poor mountain mechanics and therefore can take longer then 20 seconds to reach you, let alone actually kill you.

I agree that snipers got gimped with the whole graphics thing (P*sses me off) and I feel that very much needs to be fixed.

Not everyone is good at sniping so people really need to stop telling others to just counter snipe! That's like a hardcore sniper losing his rifle and going up against a shield tank. Would it be fair to just say "Just call your own tank" even though you've never spent a single point in tanks? Or seeing a heavy coming for you and players say "Switch to your heavy set" when, as a sniper, you probably only use a logi or light suit? The game should never have a "Fight fire with fire" mentality cuz then all the diversity would be ruined.

The OP is not complaining about how far you guys are sniping from but the fact that you are protected by a field of instant death (have yet to see that in RL so stop f*cking using that as an excuse). If you are out of the red zone and still getting long range kills and the enemy still can't get to you then it's there own fault and I have yet to see anyone complain about that.

When you use a dropship to get to an inaccessible location and snipe, nobody complains (although irritating) as it's deemed to be just another tactic and most players (snipers and non-snipers alike) feel that it's actually a smart move.

So in short, it's your invisible guardian that nobody likes, NOT your actual location. If the redzone was gone then there wouldn't be a single complaint towards snipers. My suggestions would allow honorable snipers to know exactly if they are within the safe zone or not so they can leave while the OP is designed to punish the cowards that use it as a crutch.

`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST Cool

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xDeceiver Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 1	Posted - 2013.07.28 00:35:00 - [1] - Quote Honestly I have sniped people from the red zone before but I don't anymore because I realized that its not fair , You have unlimited ammo and you can't be seen as well to others from the redzone. I think that CCP should put up a red zone barrier for ONLY sniper rifles to prevent red zone sniping from happening.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 170	Posted - 2013.07.28 00:54:00 - [2] - Quote xDeceiver wrote: Honestly I have sniped people from the red zone before but I don't anymore because I realized that its not fair , You have unlimited ammo and you can't be seen as well to others from the redzone. I think that CCP should put up a red zone barrier for ONLY sniper rifles to prevent red zone sniping from happening. Not sure what you mean by "redzone barrier" If this would stop redzone sniping then you should consider the fact that getting red lined means that snipers are screwed `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .
xDeceiver Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 1	Posted - 2013.07.28 01:00:00 - [3] - Quote I mean like the barrier in the MCC if you noticed that if you try to shoot through it the shots are blocked except for grenades. The snipers won't be ****** they would just have to moved out of the red zone , but I am unsure how they will know where the red zone ends :/
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 172	Posted - 2013.07.28 01:10:00 - [4] - Quote I see. Would it be too much to turn your redzone, green? or at least have the dividing line between your redzone and the neutral zone so that you no exactly when your out. I have gone zone hunting a few times and snipers would still be screwed (not too much though) as they wouldn't be able to fend off fast hunters. (not all snipers use sidearms). Either way I'm kinda ok with this . `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .
calvin b Molon Labe. League of Infamy 161	Posted - 2013.07.28 01:19:00 - [5] - Quote No way keep red line sniping. In real life I could do this and now your trying to cripple the sniper class. Come on, adapt and find other ways to counter a sniper. I can tell you it is not easy to shoot from such long distance. People do not even show up in the scope only there names. I love getting head shots when all I can see is your name. BONG.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 849	Posted - 2013.07.28 01:35:00 - [6] - Quote You know that the longest kill you can get redzoning is about 400-700 meters, while the longest recorded kill in real life is 2.475KM so I guess real life snipers should get nerfed also because that is unfair There is nothing wrong with red zone sniping, that is exactly what a sniper is meant to do, if you dont like it just counter snipe.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 172	Posted - 2013.07.28 01:35:00 - [7] - Quote If you suck at sniping and have specced into HMGs, shotguns, or Knives... exactly what would you have those players do? And don't say "Learn to snipe" as that would be telling them to play in a way that they are uncomfortable with and that is not "Fighting your own war" but instead that's "Fighting the snipers war" and that isn't what this game is about.
xDeceiver Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 1	Posted - 2013.07.28 01:53:00 - [8] - Quote I guess im the only one who gets killed by red zone snipers and is annoyed , I gotta get my snipers protoed like I wanted to a month ago
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 543	Posted - 2013.07.28 02:07:00 - [9] - Quote Counter snipe.... Us snipers see weapons with a higher FR than 50.0 as unfair, or the fact the rendering is beyond screwed. Or damage was screwed with in a bad way, or should I say, another shield favored change. How bout you get on with your game and leave us to lay using our tactics, don't like it don't do it, don't like others doing it, blow their ******* skulls out. We are using the map, as it is given to us, and on my screen, Iam NOT in the redzone. I don't get a gtfo countdown.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 173	Posted - 2013.07.28 02:26:00 - [10] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Counter snipe.... Us snipers see weapons with a higher FR than 50.0 as unfair, or the fact the rendering is beyond screwed. Or damage was screwed with in a bad way, or should I say, another shield favored change. How bout you get on with your game and leave us to play using our tactics, don't like it don't do it, don't like others doing it, blow their ******* skulls out. We are using the map, as it is given to us, and on my screen, Iam NOT in the redzone. I don't get a gtfo countdown. Your safe zone is the enemies red zone and is not visible to you. THAT'S why you don't get a count down and that's why people hate it. To be high up in the mountains takes more then 20 seconds do to the poor mountain mechanics and therefore can take longer then 20 seconds to reach you, let alone actually kill you. I agree that snipers got gimped with the whole graphics thing (Psses me off) and I feel that very much needs to be fixed. Not everyone is good at sniping so people really need to stop telling others to just counter snipe! That's like a hardcore sniper losing his rifle and going up against a shield tank. Would it be fair to just say "Just call your own tank" even though you've never spent a single point in tanks? Or seeing a heavy coming for you and players say "Switch to your heavy set" when, as a sniper, you probably only use a logi or light suit? The game should never have a "Fight fire with fire" mentality cuz then all the diversity would be ruined. The OP is not complaining about how far you guys are sniping from but the fact that you are protected by a field of instant death (have yet to see that in RL so stop fcking using that as an excuse). If you are out of the red zone and still getting long range kills and the enemy still can't get to you then it's there own fault and I have yet to see anyone complain about that. When you use a dropship to get to an inaccessible location and snipe, nobody complains (although irritating) as it's deemed to be just another tactic and most players (snipers and non-snipers alike) feel that it's actually a smart move. So in short, it's your invisible guardian that nobody likes, NOT your actual location. If the redzone was gone then there wouldn't be a single complaint towards snipers. My suggestions would allow honorable snipers to know exactly if they are within the safe zone or not so they can leave while the OP is designed to punish the cowards that use it as a crutch. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .

Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 543	Posted - 2013.07.28 02:42:00 - [11] - Quote They have their own guardian, their snipers, their redline. Its not a 1 sided problem. Its AR junkies not liking the fact they can't just easy gun everything. fix our damage, give us variable scopes and scope choice, I'll come in field.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 173	Posted - 2013.07.28 02:53:00 - [12] - Quote In pub matches you can't rely on your team to counter snipe and a sniper isn't effected by the enemy's redline as that would be getting too close to the enemy anyway. It is actually scouts wielding shotguns and SMGs that tend to go sniper hunting as the sniper can't see them coming. I completely agree with the rifle buffs you suggested as they are just a little bit UP. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .
Raist Soulforge the troll hord 16	Posted - 2013.07.28 03:51:00 - [13] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Counter snipe.... Us snipers see weapons with a higher FR than 50.0 as unfair, or the fact the rendering is beyond screwed. Or damage was screwed with in a bad way, or should I say, another shield favored change. How bout you get on with your game and leave us to play using our tactics, don't like it don't do it, don't like others doing it, blow their ******* skulls out. We are using the map, as it is given to us, and on my screen, Iam NOT in the redzone. I don't get a gtfo countdown. Your safe zone is the enemies red zone and is not visible to you. THAT'S why you don't get a count down and that's why people hate it. To be high up in the mountains takes more then 20 seconds do to the poor mountain mechanics and therefore can take longer then 20 seconds to reach you, let alone actually kill you. I agree that snipers got gimped with the whole graphics thing (Psses me off) and I feel that very much needs to be fixed. Not everyone is good at sniping so people really need to stop telling others to just counter snipe! That's like a hardcore sniper losing his rifle and going up against a shield tank. Would it be fair to just say "Just call your own tank" even though you've never spent a single point in tanks? Or seeing a heavy coming for you and players say "Switch to your heavy set" when, as a sniper, you probably only use a logi or light suit? The game should never have a "Fight fire with fire" mentality cuz then all the diversity would be ruined. The OP is not complaining about how far you guys are sniping from but the fact that you are protected by a field of instant death (have yet to see that in RL so stop fcking using that as an excuse). If you are out of the red zone and still getting long range kills and the enemy still can't get to you then it's there own fault and I have yet to see anyone complain about that. When you use a dropship to get to an inaccessible location and snipe, nobody complains (although irritating) as it's deemed to be just another tactic and most players (snipers and non-snipers alike) feel that it's actually a smart move. So in short, it's your invisible guardian that nobody likes, NOT your actual location. If the redzone was gone then there wouldn't be a single complaint towards snipers. My suggestions would allow honorable snipers to know exactly if they are within the safe zone or not so they can leave while the OP is designed to punish the cowards that use it as a crutch. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST . Small flaw in this approach I keep seeing in these threads. A sniper in an inaccessible location is still a sniper in an inaccessible location....whether that is in the redline or on the top of a tower that can only be accessed via a drop ship. You have to deal with them both in the same way---you have to find a way to shoot them from a distance. The problem is less of an issue with the redzone's protection (as you yourself already pointed out, there are other "valid" locations that provide protection from knifers/shotgunners/other short/closerange attacks), but more an issue that people either think they can't or otherwise won't choose to use an alternative approach. That may be because they aren't proficient enough with the free militia sets or didn't speck into better options. Either way, they for whatever reason don't see anything other than sneaking up on them as a viable tactic, no matter how many people try to tell them otherwise. So long as that is their only approach to dealing with a sniper, there will ALWAYS be sniping positions they can't deal with because they can't climb up behind them (ie: towers with no ladders that require the use of a dropship for access). TLDR: redline is not the problem... there are ways to deal with redline snipers, just people won't use viable tactics.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 184	Posted - 2013.07.28 05:12:00 - [14] - Quote xDeceiver wrote: Honestly I have sniped people from the red zone before but I don't anymore because I realized that its not fair , You have unlimited ammo and you can't be seen as well to others from the redzone. I think that CCP should put up a red zone barrier for ONLY sniper rifles to prevent red zone sniping from happening. +1 for having ethics. However morality and Eve are like trying to blend oil and water. I've actually suggested new low sp players to go ahead and red line snipe. Learning curve aside the gap in gear and SP are just brutal. Allot of us think poorly of the practice so you are far from alone. Just do a search, this is an old topic.
TheEnd762 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 105	Posted - 2013.07.28 05:32:00 - [15] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: If you suck at sniping and have specced into HMGs, shotguns, or Knives... exactly what would you have those players do? And don't say "Learn to snipe" as that would be telling them to play in a way that they are uncomfortable with and that is not "Fighting your own war" but instead that's "Fighting the snipers war" and that isn't what this game is about. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST . If you're not good at short-to-midrange combat, and have specced into Sniper Rifles and Scout Suits... exactly what would you have those players do? We can't be just anywhere on the field because we can be shredded in 3 rounds from an AR. Telling a sniper not to be in a far away, hard to reach location is doing the same thing as telling the average AR Rambo to "learn to snipe". If you don't want to learn to snipe, that's totally fine, but then I don't have to put my fragile scout in harms way either. It's a two-way street.
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 62	Posted - 2013.07.28 06:00:00 - [16] - Quote As a redline sniper their are plenty of ways to kill me more then you would think and against all sanity and reason I'll tell you a few 1. drop ships - these things scare me mostly because they have an extended red line thing which lets them go further then anything else 2. tanks - especially rail tanks one good shot and I'm dead 3. Forge guns - ... no comment (effing a-holes) 4. haven't seen it in action yet but... plasma cannons - heard they work against snipers pretty well So remember counter sniping is good but there are plenty of alternatives
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 175	Posted - 2013.07.28 07:27:00 - [17] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: As a redline sniper their are plenty of ways to kill me more then you would think and against all sanity and reason I'll tell you a few 1. drop ships - these things scare me mostly because they have an extended red line thing which lets them go further then anything else 2. tanks - especially rail tanks one good shot and I'm dead 3. Forge guns - ... no comment (effing a-holes) 4. haven't seen it in action yet but... plasma cannons - heard they work against snipers pretty well So remember counter sniping is good but there are plenty of alternatives Well that was a constructive comment I agree that all of these tactics will work. I personally prefer to counter snipe. My gripe was intended to speak for those who can't. It's rare to find someone that can't perform any of these but there are players out there. At this point the only issue would be the team that those players are with. I don't have tanks, hate forge guns, despise explosive weapons, and can't fly for S*** so I'm lucky I have a fondness for sniping or I would be screwed lol. Well for this topic I feel all that needed to be said has been said and I wish you all the best in your future battles. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 712	Posted - 2013.07.28 09:46:00 - [18] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: Jax Saurian wrote: As a redline sniper their are plenty of ways to kill me more then you would think and against all sanity and reason I'll tell you a few 1. drop ships - these things scare me mostly because they have an extended red line thing which lets them go further then anything else 2. tanks - especially rail tanks one good shot and I'm dead 3. Forge guns - ... no comment (effing a-holes) 4. haven't seen it in action yet but... plasma cannons - heard they work against snipers pretty well So remember counter sniping is good but there are plenty of alternatives Well that was a constructive comment I agree that all of these tactics will work. I personally prefer to counter snipe. My gripe was intended to speak for those who can't. It's rare to find someone that can't perform any of these but there are players out there. At this point the only issue would be the team that those players are with. I don't have tanks, hate forge guns, despise explosive weapons, and can't fly for S* so I'm lucky I have a fondness for sniping or I would be screwed lol. Well for this topic I feel all that needed to be said has been said and I wish you all the best in your future battles. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST . Those who CAN'T counter-snipe?** LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!! They can't get an angle on, and snipe a target THAT ISN'T FKIN MOVING? lol and they say snipers have no skill.
DottorBestemmia Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 6	Posted - 2013.07.28 11:36:00 - [19] - Quote why i can't kill the snippah mdf in he red line?becouse i have a shotgun?why he can kill me and i can't kill he!!!!!!!???????
lithkul devant Cerberus Network. The Superpowers 10	Posted - 2013.07.28 14:45:00 - [20] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: xDeceiver wrote: Honestly I have sniped people from the red zone before but I don't anymore because I realized that its not fair , You have unlimited ammo and you can't be seen as well to others from the redzone. I think that CCP should put up a red zone barrier for ONLY sniper rifles to prevent red zone sniping from happening. +1 for having ethics. However morality and Eve are like trying to blend oil and water. I've actually suggested new low sp players to go ahead and red line snipe. Learning curve aside the gap in gear and SP are just brutal. Allot of us think poorly of the practice so you are far from alone. Just do a search, this is an old topic. No, this isn't morality, this is close to cheating, in EVE if you are by the police station you can just start lighting up other players and expect the police to come save your ass every twenty seconds when the enemy dares to shoot a missile or laser back at you. Redzone kills any player or vehicle in 20-25 seconds I think. For the redzone, what I think CCP should do is very simple, they should just make that barrier that is at the MCC ground level, make it so you simply can't shoot out with any projectiles, sure you can throw a gernade out but no projectiles go through it. So that you can drive vehicles out of the MCC, also once you go out of the zone, you should not be allowed to reenter the red zone for thirty seconds, so that you don't get scouts or people poping in and out with shotguns or other weapons to kill really fast then to be completely safe from retribution.

Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 713	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:07:00 - [21] - Quote lithkul devant wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: xDeceiver wrote: Honestly I have sniped people from the red zone before but I don't anymore because I realized that its not fair , You have unlimited ammo and you can't be seen as well to others from the redzone. I think that CCP should put up a red zone barrier for ONLY sniper rifles to prevent red zone sniping from happening. +1 for having ethics. However morality and Eve are like trying to blend oil and water. I've actually suggested new low sp players to go ahead and red line snipe. Learning curve aside the gap in gear and SP are just brutal. Allot of us think poorly of the practice so you are far from alone. Just do a search, this is an old topic. No, this isn't morality, this is close to cheating, in EVE if you are by the police station you can just start lighting up other players and expect the police to come save your ass every twenty seconds when the enemy dares to shoot a missile or laser back at you. Redzone kills any player or vehicle in 20-25 seconds I think. For the redzone, what I think CCP should do is very simple, they should just make that barrier that is at the MCC ground level, make it so you simply can't shoot out with any projectiles, sure you can throw a gernade out but no projectiles go through it. So that you can drive vehicles out of the MCC, also once you go out of the zone, you should not be allowed to reenter the red zone for thirty seconds, so that you don't get scouts or people poping in and out with shotguns or other weapons to kill really fast then to be completely safe from retribution. Won't work. The red zone was created as space for an opposing side to fight from. Snipers are using it as intended. The game would totally break if you imposed such a barrier. That's as bad as removing the red zone completely. We went over all this in closed beta a LONG time ago. (When there was NO red zone.)
Velozz Shazla the troll hord 0	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:08:00 - [22] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: xDeceiver wrote: Honestly I have sniped people from the red zone before but I don't anymore because I realized that its not fair , You have unlimited ammo and you can't be seen as well to others from the redzone. I think that CCP should put up a red zone barrier for ONLY sniper rifles to prevent red zone sniping from happening. Not sure what you mean by "redzone barrier" If this would stop redzone sniping then you should consider the fact that getting red lined means that snipers are screwed `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST . say if they are at or ontop of there mcc and you cant get to them that is red zone snipping all aside from dat it is annoying cause you cant see bound 300+ M there for cant see any one from that point but ah well i tend deal with it
Captain Wontubulous Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 42	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:14:00 - [23] - Quote If we're going to do stuff like this to "balance" the game, I want to be able to headshot a tank with my sniper rifle because right now I can't kill tanks and it's unfair.
fussy Wolf WarRavens League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:55:00 - [24] - Quote Red Line Sniping is a part of life, Adapt, Deal with it.... When i get sniped from the red line, I don't cry and moan, I pick up a sniper rifle and I shoot him in the face! I understand not everyone is a precision artist and cant use a sniper rifle or a Rail Gun even... fair enough, Snipers Are usually in fixed positions in which they can not cover everything without making them selves sniper bait and there-fore Are not GODLY! And don't even get me started about things not rendering at a distance.... That S*** is Difficult to pull off, when your target is completely Invisible. And if anyone is wondering I'm Logistics SR Minmatar, and not a very good sniper :3
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 385	Posted - 2013.07.28 17:40:00 - [25] - Quote Redzone railgun sniping is legit! The only way for tankers to make money!
DottorBestemmia Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.08.02 00:28:00 - [26] - Quote yeaaaaaaaaaah,hey guys,skill the sniper rifle,or no kill the sniper(**** the logic)
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 234	Posted - 2013.08.02 00:43:00 - [27] - Quote The redzone prevents people from spawning in front of enemies in skirm. So you can shoot from the redzone, no big deal I can shoot into the redzone too.
zhyruz Bragian Order Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:03:00 - [28] - Quote everybody, who said, red zone sniping contains to a sniper class and it's fair, even knows he's using a "bug" and he's to bad, to survive fair on a battleground. every place on a battleground should be reachable for everybody. sitting in a zone, for enemies not reachable and kill people is not fair. there are enough places for a sniper to hide hiself. and something, that really contains to a sniper class is, he has to change his position after some kills.
BL4CKST4R warravens League of Infamy 876	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:13:00 - [29] - Quote zhyruz wrote: everybody, who said, red zone sniping contains to a sniper class and it's fair, even knows he's using a "bug" and he's to bad, to survive fair on a battleground. every place on a battleground should be reachable for everybody. sitting in a zone, for enemies not reachable and kill people is not fair. there are enough places for a sniper to hide hiself. and something, that really contains to a sniper class is, he has to change his position after some kills. And something that pertains to the sniper class is a 1 shot lethal weapon. If the sniper rifle was a lethal gun like it is in most games then it would be unfair if it was used like it is now. But because the gun usually takes 3-4 shots to kill somebody (2-3 charged) then it is fine being used how it is now.


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