DUST Search - To CCP LogicLoop regarding maps

Jen Gelfling wrote:

I think that have this idea that maps need to be mostly "open" for vehicles and longer range weapons to be equally viable across all maps. However, this clearly isn't the case on certain maps that already keep combat clustered into certain areas and wind up less/more tank/sniper friendly.

I think the "socket" system is very interesting, but I think the tech needs to be more flexible than swapping color palettes, skyboxes, and installation types on the same exact maps. There was another recent thread that touched on the flatness and lack of unique geological formations and terrain on maps. These are connected issues.

Are we to believe hundreds of planets have a formation exactly like Manus Peak, but with different Races installed there? More unique formations (they were showing spectacular unusual rock formations) would actually make the problem stick out more. How likely is it that an extremely unique rock formation is replicated across 100 worlds in the exact same place after all?

"Sockets" that exchange and move around racial surface installations are all well and good, but some means of randomizing and the geographic and terrain features is needed too. The surface installations have more of a reason to look similar (within reason) than the terrain if you think about it. One feature is manufactured, the other is supposedly natural.

On that theme, formations that block and channel player movement (as suggested in the OP) are probably a good move. After all, famous historic battles (Thermopylae, etc.) have relied on such features more so man-made ones. It's those natural formations that are more lacking now than the light variety we see in randomized structures.


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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5134	Posted - 2013.07.26 10:23:00 - [1] - Quote As you know, we miss the old Crater Lake map, but I understand that its not possible to make those kind of maps anymore with the current technology Dust uses. There are ways to create a map that have the same general feel as Crater Lake though; make a map or two with a series of spikes that act like walls, and thus create pathways between the walls of spikes. What made Crater Lake special was that it wasn't just open terrain like most of the maps we have now, instead it had many pathways through the terrain. Those pathways don't need to be carved through a canyon with cliff sides, they can be created between long walls of spikes and boulders as well. The second thing I want to say is you guys need to look into updating the kind of tech you're using if it creates such a large issue in what is feasible for the maps. Right now sadly the maps are very boring and empty. If the current map tech is preventing us from getting good maps like Crater Lake, then the tech itself is a problem. Third thing I want to say is that you could create terrain things as medium socket items. For example, you could try assembling something like a canyon like Crater Lake from pieces of a canyon socketed on a regular map by having the canyon pieces be medium socket items. You could create caves and stuff by treating them like socketed buildings, and just attach them to the map.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5139	Posted - 2013.07.27 03:25:00 - [2] - Quote More thoughts welcome
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5157	Posted - 2013.07.27 07:14:00 - [3] - Quote Jen Gelfling wrote: I think that have this idea that maps need to be mostly "open" for vehicles and longer range weapons to be equally viable across all maps. However, this clearly isn't the case on certain maps that already keep combat clustered into certain areas and wind up less/more tank/sniper friendly. I think the "socket" system is very interesting, but I think the tech needs to be more flexible than swapping color palettes, skyboxes, and installation types on the same exact maps. There was another recent thread that touched on the flatness and lack of unique geological formations and terrain on maps. These are connected issues. Are we to believe hundreds of planets have a formation exactly like Manus Peak, but with different Races installed there? More unique formations (they were showing spectacular unusual rock formations) would actually make the problem stick out more. How likely is it that an extremely unique rock formation is replicated across 100 worlds in the exact same place after all? "Sockets" that exchange and move around racial surface installations are all well and good, but some means of randomizing and the geographic and terrain features is needed too. The surface installations have more of a reason to look similar (within reason) than the terrain if you think about it. One feature is manufactured, the other is supposedly natural. On that theme, formations that block and channel player movement (as suggested in the OP) are probably a good move. After all, famous historic battles (Thermopylae, etc.) have relied on such features more so man-made ones. It's those natural formations that are more lacking now than the light variety we see in randomized structures. Aaah! a gelfling!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5202	Posted - 2013.07.30 09:31:00 - [4] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: I'm not sure if getting that reference makes me old or not. Doesn't matter, we're immortal