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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.26 05:57:00 -
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The group Bloody Hands of Matar just torched an Impetus facility in Atlanins, killing 7 and woundind 13.
Quote:Atlanins GÇô An Impetus distribution center burned to the ground earlier today in an act that left 7 dead and 13 more hospitalized. Soon after, Minmatar fringe terrorist group the Bloody Hands of Matar claimed responsibility, issuing a statement saying the attack was revenge for the death of Karin Midular.
According to their statement, GÇ£The assassination of a Ray of Matar at the hands of foreign powers cannot go unpunished. Our anger will not be quenched until the pain and suffering the Minmatar people felt at her loss is revisited on those who perpetrated her death.GÇ¥
The attack came shortly after workers arrived at the facility for their daily shifts. According to reports from survivors, a freight vehicle parked itself in front of the main exit at which point several men in hoods emerged from the rear and began tossing incendiary devices at the building. The truck blocked the exit and, as the flames quickly spread, a stampede broke out as workers rushed to escape out the rear entrance, causing several injuries.
Emergency responders were on the scene in minutes, but by that time the three-story building was in flames. According to officials, a section of the building collapsed, trapping several workers in an underground storage area where they died from smoke inhalation before rescuers could reach them.
The Minmatar Republic and Gallente Federation have denounced the incident as an act of terrorism. GÇ£The Federation has our full support in apprehending these terrorists,GÇ¥ read a statement from Republic Security Services head Adrand Allsvert.
The Black Eagles have similarly pledged to bring the attackers to justice, with Director Mentas Blaque saying, GÇ£The safety of the people of the Federation is my paramount priority. I will stop at nothing to see these criminals brought to justice for their actions.GÇ¥
Prior to this attack, the Bloody Hands of Matar have primarily been known to attack Amarr targets and have been responsible for several high profile bombings in the Empire. Prior to the ascent of Maleatu Shakor to the position of Sanmatar, they had called for Midular's death and have never recanted those statements. Before you all Gallente(or Amarr) fanatics start raising pitchforks and demand a war on the Minmatar, you should know that this was the act of a single terrorist cell, not some Tribal Council mandated mission to "take revenge" on the Gallente. I hope the terrorists can be brought to justice and punished accordingly, this whole farce for the death of Midular has been going on for long enough. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
842
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Posted - 2013.07.26 05:58:00 -
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I would not joke about the loss of life your people suffered. Merely remind you that the Matari are a young and volatile people, tempering their anger is a necessity if this galaxy is ever to find peace. |
Wolverine Canus
Seraphim Auxiliaries
41
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Posted - 2013.07.26 06:29:00 -
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We are not fanatics we strive to achieve inner peace, we must teach the mimmatar the same principles and values. We do not seek revenge, we seek justice. |
Galm Fae
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
27
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Posted - 2013.07.26 07:04:00 -
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Painting all Minmatar with the same brush as these terrorists would be on par with assuming all Caldari Dragonaurs. My heart extends to the innocents lost in the blaze.
Incidentally, with the Black Eagles hunting down those who caused this event, I plea with those in the Federation who might listen to reason to allow the Caldari Navy the same retribution to those that have wronged us. Chiefly, I ask that they understand our personal need to bring Tibus Heth to justice without outside involvement. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
79
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Posted - 2013.07.26 10:01:00 -
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Ok now the minmatar goverment has to find whos responsible of this heinous act against gallente people,and then give them to gallente people to judge them in gallente court( to death).Like our goverment did |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
435
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Posted - 2013.07.26 10:08:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Ok now the minmatar goverment has to find whos responsible of this heinous act against gallente people,and then give them to gallente people to judge them in gallente court( to death).Like our goverment did It was your failing Gallentean that lead to such and incident occurring.
In the State such and act would never have been committed while our security forces were present. Unlike your lax protocols we pride ourselves on efficiency as well as duty and honour. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
79
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Posted - 2013.07.26 10:17:00 -
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Harkon Vysarii wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Ok now the minmatar goverment has to find whos responsible of this heinous act against gallente people,and then give them to gallente people to judge them in gallente court( to death).Like our goverment did It was your failing Gallentean that lead to such and incident occurring. In the State such and act would never have been committed while our security forces were present. Unlike your lax protocols we pride ourselves on efficiency as well as duty and honour. Yeah in your "beloved" state you dont need any terrorist organizations,bcause your own state does the terror acts themselves against your own people |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
292
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:06:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Ok now the minmatar goverment has to find whos responsible of this heinous act against gallente people,and then give them to gallente people to judge them in gallente court( to death).Like our goverment did It was your failing Gallentean that lead to such and incident occurring. In the State such and act would never have been committed while our security forces were present. Unlike your lax protocols we pride ourselves on efficiency as well as duty and honour. Yeah in your "beloved" state you dont need any terrorist organizations,bcause your own state does the terror acts themselves against your own people The Gallente court didn't judge the Midular assassin to death, but extradited him to the Minmatar Republic, where he was sentenced to death and then executed.
And this place is not to argue about which Empire is better, so you could you be so kind as to shut up? |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
79
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:25:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Ok now the minmatar goverment has to find whos responsible of this heinous act against gallente people,and then give them to gallente people to judge them in gallente court( to death).Like our goverment did It was your failing Gallentean that lead to such and incident occurring. In the State such and act would never have been committed while our security forces were present. Unlike your lax protocols we pride ourselves on efficiency as well as duty and honour. Yeah in your "beloved" state you dont need any terrorist organizations,bcause your own state does the terror acts themselves against your own people The Gallente court didn't judge the Midular assassin to death, but extradited him to the Minmatar Republic, where he was sentenced to death and then executed. And this place is not to argue about which Empire is better, so you could you be so kind as to shut up? And thats why minmatars should do the same that our goverment did,and why i should shut up?It is my right to say what i want,because im free citizen of federation.So HELL no i wont shut up |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
436
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:38:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Ok now the minmatar goverment has to find whos responsible of this heinous act against gallente people,and then give them to gallente people to judge them in gallente court( to death).Like our goverment did It was your failing Gallentean that lead to such and incident occurring. In the State such and act would never have been committed while our security forces were present. Unlike your lax protocols we pride ourselves on efficiency as well as duty and honour. Yeah in your "beloved" state you dont need any terrorist organizations,bcause your own state does the terror acts themselves against your own people Where did you draw that ignorant conclusion from? |
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
292
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:44:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote: And thats why minmatars should do the same that our goverment did,and why i should shut up?It is my right to say what i want,because im free citizen of federation.So HELL no i wont shut up
So you want the Matari extradite Matari terrorists into, Minmatar?
And if you didn't know it, GalNet does not equal Gallente Federation, freedom of speech isn't the same here. I created this thread to share the terrorist acts to the rest of the mercenaries, not as an excuse for a baklaand Gallente and Caldari argue which flawed governmental system is better. If you don't like it, take it somewhere else, but not in my thread. |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
437
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Posted - 2013.07.26 12:02:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote: And thats why minmatars should do the same that our goverment did,and why i should shut up?It is my right to say what i want,because im free citizen of federation.So HELL no i wont shut up
So you want the Matari extradite Matari terrorists into, Minmatar? And if you didn't know it, GalNet does not equal Gallente Federation, freedom of speech isn't the same here. I created this thread to share the terrorist acts to the rest of the mercenaries, not as an excuse for a baklaand Gallente and a Caldari argue which flawed governmental system is better. If you don't like it, take it somewhere else, but not in my thread. Sir not another word. I am a man of my principles, such a time is not right to issue threats, but you named a member of the proud deitis bloodline a backlander.... I won't stand for it. |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
978
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:15:00 -
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Sssssooo hands up if your saw this coming. But Nnnooo noones pay attention to the oldest empire in the universe. I offer discount prices on reclaiming former slaves that waste their freedom by killing gods children no matter the race |
21yrOld Knight
187.
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:46:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:The group Bloody Hands of Matar just torched an Impetus facility in Atlanins, killing 7 and wounding 13.Quote:Atlanins GÇô An Impetus distribution center burned to the ground earlier today in an act that left 7 dead and 13 more hospitalized. Soon after, Minmatar fringe terrorist group the Bloody Hands of Matar claimed responsibility, issuing a statement saying the attack was revenge for the death of Karin Midular.
According to their statement, GÇ£The assassination of a Ray of Matar at the hands of foreign powers cannot go unpunished. Our anger will not be quenched until the pain and suffering the Minmatar people felt at her loss is revisited on those who perpetrated her death.GÇ¥
The attack came shortly after workers arrived at the facility for their daily shifts. According to reports from survivors, a freight vehicle parked itself in front of the main exit at which point several men in hoods emerged from the rear and began tossing incendiary devices at the building. The truck blocked the exit and, as the flames quickly spread, a stampede broke out as workers rushed to escape out the rear entrance, causing several injuries.
Emergency responders were on the scene in minutes, but by that time the three-story building was in flames. According to officials, a section of the building collapsed, trapping several workers in an underground storage area where they died from smoke inhalation before rescuers could reach them.
The Minmatar Republic and Gallente Federation have denounced the incident as an act of terrorism. GÇ£The Federation has our full support in apprehending these terrorists,GÇ¥ read a statement from Republic Security Services head Adrand Allsvert.
The Black Eagles have similarly pledged to bring the attackers to justice, with Director Mentas Blaque saying, GÇ£The safety of the people of the Federation is my paramount priority. I will stop at nothing to see these criminals brought to justice for their actions.GÇ¥
Prior to this attack, the Bloody Hands of Matar have primarily been known to attack Amarr targets and have been responsible for several high profile bombings in the Empire. Prior to the ascent of Maleatu Shakor to the position of Sanmatar, they had called for Midular's death and have never recanted those statements. .
Idiots who fight for country. That's all they are. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
137
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Posted - 2013.07.28 17:15:00 -
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21yrOld Knight wrote:Idiots who fight for country. That's all they are.
As opposed to idiots who fight for personal loyalty, ideology, ISK ... the fun of it?
Probably, to the Jovian Directorate's intelligence services, we all look like idiots, babbling monkeys playing at civilization. I wonder whether that makes it a fun job or a discouraging one.
A civilization tens of thousands of years old ... I sometimes wonder whether the capsuleers of New Eden are their understudies or their ant farm.
Until you have at least that level of perspective, soldier, you don't seem all that well placed to be calling people idiots. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
844
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Posted - 2013.07.28 21:33:00 -
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This may be the act of a single terrorist cell, but you are a fool if you believe this attitude is not bred from within. And as Steadyhand as said, a Matari radical group seeking revenge is by no means a surprise. Had you Gallenteans stopped playing politics for a second and took proper actions seven of your people would still be alive.
Your Black Eagles can hunt down the Bloody Hand of Matar and bring them justice, but do not think for a second that that will end the madness. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
872
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Posted - 2013.07.28 21:37:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:This may be the act of a single terrorist cell, but you are a fool if you believe this attitude is not bred from within. And as Steadyhand as said, a Matari radical group seeking revenge is by no means a surprise. Had you Gallenteans stopped playing politics for a second and took proper actions seven of your people would still be alive.
Your Black Eagles can hunt down the Bloody Hand of Matar and bring them justice, but do not think for a second that that will end the madness. Such is unfortunately the case with the Matari. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
173
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Posted - 2013.07.28 22:49:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:This may be the act of a single terrorist cell, but you are a fool if you believe this attitude is not bred from within. And as Steadyhand has said, a Matari radical group seeking revenge is by no means a surprise. Had you Gallenteans stopped playing politics for a second and took proper actions seven of your people would still be alive.
Your Black Eagles can hunt down the Bloody Hand of Matar and bring them justice, but do not think for a second that that will end the madness. Says the person from a nation who is still taking slaves from our lowsec colonies.... |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
872
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Posted - 2013.07.28 22:53:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:This may be the act of a single terrorist cell, but you are a fool if you believe this attitude is not bred from within. And as Steadyhand has said, a Matari radical group seeking revenge is by no means a surprise. Had you Gallenteans stopped playing politics for a second and took proper actions seven of your people would still be alive.
Your Black Eagles can hunt down the Bloody Hand of Matar and bring them justice, but do not think for a second that that will end the madness. Says the person from a nation who is still taking slaves from our lowsec colonies....
We aren't taking slaves....
We are Reclaiming your people in Gods name that you may be stripped of the barbaric practices that keep you ignorant and volatile so that you may earn you place in His kingdom and rise to a state of enlightened bliss where you will join the glorious empire we have built.
As it stands you cling to the dangerous ideals of freedom. But such personal liberties lead to depravity, and from depravity to heresy, and from heresy to damnation of your immortal soul.
We Amarr seek to cleanse you of these ideals so you may walk in His light as you live your lives, and be fulfilled in knowing you have struggled and toiled to serve a higher cause.
Do not be the puppets of the Gallente. The Amarr chose you to become ascendant over the other empires. You and your people are too the chosen of God however your are somewhat misguided children. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
173
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Posted - 2013.07.28 23:10:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: We aren't taking slaves....
We are Reclaiming your people in Gods name that you may be stripped of the barbaric practices that keep you ignorant and volatile so that you may earn you place in His kingdom and rise to a state of enlightened bliss where you will join the glorious empire we have built.
As it stands you cling to the dangerous ideals of freedom. But such personal liberties lead to depravity, and from depravity to heresy, and from heresy to damnation of your immortal soul.
We Amarr seek to cleanse you of these ideals so you may walk in His light as you live your lives, and be fulfilled in knowing you have struggled and toiled to serve a higher cause.
Do not be the puppets of the Gallente. The Amarr chose you to become ascendant over the other empires. You and your people are too the chosen of God however your are somewhat misguided children.
So this "benevolent" god you often speak so highly of forgives you for enslaving an entire race for centuries and beating/killing them publicly on a whim until just recently?(now you do it in secret, don't deny it) Is it not wondered why we don't trust your empire in the first place? Now thanks to some idiotic ancient emperor of yours we Minmatar have lost a thousand years of our culture. |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
844
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Posted - 2013.07.28 23:12:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:This may be the act of a single terrorist cell, but you are a fool if you believe this attitude is not bred from within. And as Steadyhand has said, a Matari radical group seeking revenge is by no means a surprise. Had you Gallenteans stopped playing politics for a second and took proper actions seven of your people would still be alive.
Your Black Eagles can hunt down the Bloody Hand of Matar and bring them justice, but do not think for a second that that will end the madness. Says the person from a nation who is still taking slaves from our lowsec colonies.... As Adamance has stated, the privileged people taken under our wings are embraced with love and will seed a lineage in the peaceful universe to come. What has sprouted from the seeds of the Republic? Radical men and women you cannot contain that bring chaos unto our brothers and sisters? Your pursuit of freedom is done with good intentions, Sir Xander, but many a children raised without the guidance of a Father will spoil to the wicked.
What is your excuse for this extremist group that grew on your soil? What will be your excuse when the next one comes? For the sake of you and all of God's children throughout New Eden, regardless of race, I pray that you recognize this downward spiral. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
173
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Posted - 2013.07.28 23:21:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote: As Adamance has stated, the privileged people taken under our wings are embraced with love and will seed a lineage in the peaceful universe to come. What has sprouted from the seeds of the Republic? Radical men and women you cannot contain that bring chaos unto our brothers and sisters? Your pursuit of freedom is done with good intentions, Sir Xander, but many a children raised without the guidance of a Father will spoil to the wicked.
What is your excuse for this extremist group that grew on your soil? What will be your excuse when the next one comes? For the sake of you and all of God's children throughout New Eden, regardless of race, I pray that you recognize this downward spiral.
Then give us the time to rebuild, have you forgotten that we are merely the grandchildren of the founders of our republic. Was not your early founding wrought with the blood of "infidels" on your swords? If it were within my power I would stop this war if for nothing but to let future children of the Matari to be free of your influence. Whether by closed borders or leaving to the Elders sanctuaries. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
844
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Posted - 2013.07.28 23:27:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote: As Adamance has stated, the privileged people taken under our wings are embraced with love and will seed a lineage in the peaceful universe to come. What has sprouted from the seeds of the Republic? Radical men and women you cannot contain that bring chaos unto our brothers and sisters? Your pursuit of freedom is done with good intentions, Sir Xander, but many a children raised without the guidance of a Father will spoil to the wicked.
What is your excuse for this extremist group that grew on your soil? What will be your excuse when the next one comes? For the sake of you and all of God's children throughout New Eden, regardless of race, I pray that you recognize this downward spiral.
Then give us the time to rebuild, have you forgotten that we are merely the grandchildren of the founders of our republic. Was not your early founding wrought with the blood of "infidels" on your swords? If it were within my power I would stop this war if for nothing but to let future children of the Matari to be free of your influence. Whether by closed borders or leaving to the Elders sanctuaries. Except this conflict has spread outside of us. A Matari extremist group has now openly terrorized a Gallente facility. You may not want to accept it, but we are all one people under one race, the human race. Try as you may to close your borders, there is no stopping the natural dispersion of influence we all share with each other. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
876
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Posted - 2013.07.29 01:36:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote: As Adamance has stated, the privileged people taken under our wings are embraced with love and will seed a lineage in the peaceful universe to come. What has sprouted from the seeds of the Republic? Radical men and women you cannot contain that bring chaos unto our brothers and sisters? Your pursuit of freedom is done with good intentions, Sir Xander, but many a children raised without the guidance of a Father will spoil to the wicked.
What is your excuse for this extremist group that grew on your soil? What will be your excuse when the next one comes? For the sake of you and all of God's children throughout New Eden, regardless of race, I pray that you recognize this downward spiral.
Then give us the time to rebuild, have you forgotten that we are merely the grandchildren of the founders of our republic. Was not your early founding wrought with the blood of "infidels" on your swords? If it were within my power I would stop this war if for nothing but to let future children of the Matari to be free of your influence. Whether by closed borders or leaving to the Elders sanctuaries. Except this conflict has spread outside of us. A Matari extremist group has now openly terrorized a Gallente facility. You may not want to accept it, but we are all one people under one race, the human race. Try as you may to close your borders, there is no stopping the natural dispersion of influence we all share with each other. Well said Brother Yassavi. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
173
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Posted - 2013.07.29 04:28:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote: Except this conflict has spread outside of us. A Matari extremist group has now openly terrorized a Gallente facility. You may not want to accept it, but we are all one people under one race, the human race. Try as you may to close your borders, there is no stopping the natural dispersion of influence we all share with each other.
Touche, I suppose it is inevitable for influences like such to spread. *sigh* It doesn't make it any more comfortable to see thousands of my brothers and sisters die or be enslaved at the hands of Ammarians everyday though. I've lost 3 of my blood-brothers to this damn war, only one of which was a soldier, so pardon me if I seem openly hostile at times. I cannot embrace a god whose servants have cast my brothers into their "hell." |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
138
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Posted - 2013.07.29 05:53:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Touche, I suppose it is inevitable for influences like such to spread. *sigh* It doesn't make it any more comfortable to see thousands of my brothers and sisters die or be enslaved at the hands of Ammarians everyday though. I've lost 3 of my blood-brothers to this damn war, only one of which was a soldier, so pardon me if I seem openly hostile at times. I cannot embrace a god whose servants have cast my siblings into their "hell" if it exists.
In fairness to the Amarr, Mr. Kag, they didn't start this particular war. Not that it was probably your brothers' fault, either; my condolences for your loss.
As an aside, the Empire's religious imperialism rubs just about everybody wrong who isn't Amarr. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
880
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Posted - 2013.07.29 06:09:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: As an aside, the Empire's religious imperialism rubs just about everybody wrong who isn't Amarr.
Be that as it may we have a duty to the people of this universe. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
139
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Posted - 2013.07.29 07:32:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Be that as it may we have a duty to the people of this universe. Including to those of us who will fight you to the death to keep you away from our homes and families. The State's armed forces have not spent the last century honing themselves towards the goal of being able to defeat "any empire except the Amarr."
If you come to our doors in arms, we will kill you.
I would respectfully advise you to be extremely careful whom you explain your enthusiasm for forced conversions to. We have enough in common for our alliance to be solid, but you may wish to ask the Gallente about the limits of Caldari friendship. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
881
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Posted - 2013.07.29 08:08:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:True Adamance wrote:Be that as it may we have a duty to the people of this universe. Including to those of us who will fight you to the death to keep you away from our homes and families. The State's armed forces have not spent the last century honing themselves towards the goal of being able to defeat "any empire except the Amarr." If you come to our doors in arms, we will kill you. I would respectfully advise you to be extremely careful whom you explain your enthusiasm for forced conversions to. We have enough in common for our alliance to be solid, but you may wish to ask the Gallente about the limits of Caldari friendship. Ms Ryeon do not fool yourself. Some battles are best won with raising arms if you take my meaning. Though as for the Caldari... I consider them some of my closest and most stalwart comrades. It is not my wish to ever engage such a noble people. |
21yrOld Knight
187.
40
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Posted - 2013.07.29 22:01:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Including to those of us who will fight you to the death to keep you away from our homes and families. The State's armed forces have not spent the last century honing themselves towards the goal of being able to defeat "any empire except the Amarr."
If you come to our doors in arms, we will kill you.
I have to agree with Ryeon statement here . I avoid the conflict between the Caldari and Gallente for many reasons. One being that it is a rather difficult to predict the outcome of a battle and make profit. Another reason is that tha Caldari are a b**** to kill. The enthusiasm they have for their empire is incredible. You may send one to the ground walk away and see the merc getting up on its own power to fight for its country . |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
901
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Posted - 2013.07.29 22:16:00 -
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21yrOld Knight wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Including to those of us who will fight you to the death to keep you away from our homes and families. The State's armed forces have not spent the last century honing themselves towards the goal of being able to defeat "any empire except the Amarr."
If you come to our doors in arms, we will kill you.
I have to agree with Ryeon statement here . I avoid the conflict between the Caldari and Gallente for many reasons. One being that it is a rather difficult to predict the outcome of a battle and make profit. Another reason is that tha Caldari are a b**** to kill. The enthusiasm they have for their empire is incredible. You may send one to the ground walk away and see the merc getting up on its own power to fight for its country . It is the same for the Amarr as well the fervour to do battle in God's name is fire within us that cannot be quenched even by death. |
21yrOld Knight
187.
40
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Posted - 2013.07.29 22:39:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: It is the same for the Amarr as well the fervour to do battle in God's name is fire within us that cannot be quenched even by death.
I have seen otherwise. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
903
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Posted - 2013.07.29 22:44:00 -
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21yrOld Knight wrote:True Adamance wrote: It is the same for the Amarr as well the fervour to do battle in God's name is fire within us that cannot be quenched even by death.
I have seen otherwise. An Apostate knows nothing of the Empire. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.31 04:06:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ms Ryeon do not fool yourself. Some battles are best won with raising arms if you take my meaning. Though as for the Caldari... I consider them some of my closest and most stalwart comrades. It is not my wish to ever engage such a noble people.
I apologize for my overreaction, templar. This ... expansionist quality of the Amarrian faith is a worry to many of us who hold our own ways dear. It is a quality your people and the Gallente have in common-- a belief in a universal truth that you wish to share with all of humanity.
The Gallente worship a god they call "Freedom," attended and protected by lesser deities and spirits known as "rights." They say that the blessings of these ephemeral beings are the birthright of all humanity, and they have sought at one time or another to spread their faith by all available means.
To the Gallente, the Caldari look similar to the way you see the Minmatar: once offered a path to the light, the Caldari turned away. The Gallente look on the Caldari as barbarians for turning away from their liberal democracy; they cannot imagine that the Caldari would turn away if they understood the blessings the god Freedom has to offer. The powerful of the State, they presume are oppressors; in the less-powerful, they see the ignorant, brainwashed, and oppressed.
They would have us all be as they are.The Caldari want only to remain themselves-- and they desire that with a fierceness that has seen worlds burn.
You speak of peaceful conversions, and it is good to hear of such intentions. Except that peaceful conversion is the preferred path of the Gallente, as well. The Caldari do not run an open society; it is truth that the Khanid are permitted to practice their own faith-- so long as they keep it private.
There may come a day when State and Empire no longer have larger problems to deal with-- not soon, but perhaps some day. When that day comes, and your missionaries are turned away at the border time and again ... will you still be speaking of peacefully spreading your faith?
Or, will you eventually resort to other methods of expansion? Will you then, as the Gallente do now, speak of "freeing" us from our ignorant, benighted, heathen ways?
I do not demand any answer; perhaps it is better for both of us if you do not. But if you wonder why your allies in the State sometimes bristle at the mention of your duty to reclaim humanity ... this is the reason. We do not speak of this often, templar, and I hope it will remain a thing little-remarked for decades to come, but the Caldari have learned the danger close friends can pose.
The Gallente were close friends, once.
We of the State find much to admire in the Amarr. It is a mark of respect that, should you indeed one day enter The Citadel in force, you will find it prepared for your arrival. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.31 04:20:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: I do not demand any answer; perhaps it is better for both of us if you do not.
Perhaps that is for the best. |
Arc-08
Horizons' Edge Orion Empire
26
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Posted - 2013.08.03 02:52:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Painting all Minmatar with the same brush as these terrorists would be on par with assuming all Caldari Dragonaurs. My heart extends to the innocents lost in the blaze.
Incidentally, with the Black Eagles hunting down those who caused this event, I plea with those in the Federation who might listen to reason to allow the Caldari Navy the same retribution to those that have wronged us. Chiefly, I ask that they understand our personal need to bring Tibus Heth to justice without outside involvement.
ahh, good to see a possible member/follower of the ishukone corporation, the only caldari that see reason! |
Arc-08
Horizons' Edge Orion Empire
26
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Posted - 2013.08.03 03:00:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon, Here in the gallente federation we do not force upon you a religeon, just a belief in the great laws of democracy, you can worship anybody or nobody at all.
As to the terrorist attack, this was not the fault of the Minmatar, it will take much more for them to lose our respect, and fall out of our alliance. ONE small terrorist attack cannot reflect an entire nation. as to the Dragonaurs, they Did such horrific things to the federation, that was a much more painful hate filled attack, that sparked a whole new series of conflicts. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
313
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Posted - 2013.08.03 03:21:00 -
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Arc-08 wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon, Here in the gallente federation we do not force upon you a religeon, just a belief in the great laws of democracy, you can worship anybody or nobody at all.
As to the terrorist attack, this was not the fault of the Minmatar, it will take much more for them to lose our respect, and fall out of our alliance. ONE small terrorist attack cannot reflect an entire nation. as to the Dragonaurs, they Did such horrific things to the federation, that was a much more painful hate filled attack, that sparked a whole new series of conflicts. Yun was speaking metaphorically, you are spreading out your ideas of freedom and rights as the universal truth, that it's the only right way to live. What she is trying to say that the Gallente people here especially have been very active on forcing their own ideals on other nations because they believed their government was the best and only way to lead a nation.
Then there's him. I'm starting to think the Gallente are looking more and more like theAmarr with this kind of behavior. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
162
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Posted - 2013.08.03 03:34:00 -
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Arc-08 wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon, Here in the gallente federation we do not force upon you a religeon, just a belief in the great laws of democracy, you can worship anybody or nobody at all.
Your religion is called "individualism," soldier. It is a corrosive force to any culture that does not share it.
The Amarr have the courtesy to understand, fully and properly, what it is that they do. They embrace it because they believe it is their god's will that all of humanity be brought under their rule.
You? You think there's nothing religious about your belief in things like "rights" that are somehow shared by all of humanity despite all the abundant evidence that the universe doesn't care what we do to each other in the slightest, or the magical power of enormous masses of humanity to make better decisions than a few well-chosen leaders.
You think you do us no harm when you tell us we're free to keep our own ways-- and then relentlessly market yours to us and to our children. "Well," you will say, "that's what people want."
You'll want to be neighbors. People will move in. Cultural exchange will happen, and cultural dilution.
In perhaps a dozen generations, my faith will be extinct. We'll be left with your shallow god of "freedom."
The Caldari took control of my homeworld generations ago. They took many of us, and educated us in Caldari ways, made us Caldari. Among them, we who remain Achur are not equals, not unless we adopt their ways and become as they are. We are a client people, a sort of cross between a poor cousin and a protected species.
But the places that they left to us? The rural communities, the monasteries, the wilds of Achura? They left them to us. We are not State citizens, but we are Achura. The Caldari allow and encourage us to preserve our ways with the same vigor with which they preserve their own.
You will have to excuse me if I prefer the will of the Elder Visionaries who lead my people and the State that protects them to Gallentean good intentions, soldier. Like the Caldari, we are proudly ourselves, and we will kill you before we will let you make us otherwise. |
Leithe Akari
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.03 04:08:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Like the Caldari, we are proudly ourselves, and we will kill you before we will let you make us otherwise.
My sentiments exactly, though I am not one of the Achur I to believe in the preservation of the Caldari way of life. Our ways are the old ways, the ways that ensured that the many would live while the individual would die. |
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