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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.07.28 17:15:00 -
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21yrOld Knight wrote:Idiots who fight for country. That's all they are.
As opposed to idiots who fight for personal loyalty, ideology, ISK ... the fun of it?
Probably, to the Jovian Directorate's intelligence services, we all look like idiots, babbling monkeys playing at civilization. I wonder whether that makes it a fun job or a discouraging one.
A civilization tens of thousands of years old ... I sometimes wonder whether the capsuleers of New Eden are their understudies or their ant farm.
Until you have at least that level of perspective, soldier, you don't seem all that well placed to be calling people idiots. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.07.29 05:53:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Touche, I suppose it is inevitable for influences like such to spread. *sigh* It doesn't make it any more comfortable to see thousands of my brothers and sisters die or be enslaved at the hands of Ammarians everyday though. I've lost 3 of my blood-brothers to this damn war, only one of which was a soldier, so pardon me if I seem openly hostile at times. I cannot embrace a god whose servants have cast my siblings into their "hell" if it exists.
In fairness to the Amarr, Mr. Kag, they didn't start this particular war. Not that it was probably your brothers' fault, either; my condolences for your loss.
As an aside, the Empire's religious imperialism rubs just about everybody wrong who isn't Amarr. |
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Posted - 2013.07.29 07:32:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Be that as it may we have a duty to the people of this universe.
Including to those of us who will fight you to the death to keep you away from our homes and families. The State's armed forces have not spent the last century honing themselves towards the goal of being able to defeat "any empire except the Amarr."
If you come to our doors in arms, we will kill you.
I would respectfully advise you to be extremely careful whom you explain your enthusiasm for forced conversions to. We have enough in common for our alliance to be solid, but you may wish to ask the Gallente about the limits of Caldari friendship. |
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Posted - 2013.07.31 04:06:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ms Ryeon do not fool yourself. Some battles are best won with raising arms if you take my meaning. Though as for the Caldari... I consider them some of my closest and most stalwart comrades. It is not my wish to ever engage such a noble people.
I apologize for my overreaction, templar. This ... expansionist quality of the Amarrian faith is a worry to many of us who hold our own ways dear. It is a quality your people and the Gallente have in common-- a belief in a universal truth that you wish to share with all of humanity.
The Gallente worship a god they call "Freedom," attended and protected by lesser deities and spirits known as "rights." They say that the blessings of these ephemeral beings are the birthright of all humanity, and they have sought at one time or another to spread their faith by all available means.
To the Gallente, the Caldari look similar to the way you see the Minmatar: once offered a path to the light, the Caldari turned away. The Gallente look on the Caldari as barbarians for turning away from their liberal democracy; they cannot imagine that the Caldari would turn away if they understood the blessings the god Freedom has to offer. The powerful of the State, they presume are oppressors; in the less-powerful, they see the ignorant, brainwashed, and oppressed.
They would have us all be as they are.The Caldari want only to remain themselves-- and they desire that with a fierceness that has seen worlds burn.
You speak of peaceful conversions, and it is good to hear of such intentions. Except that peaceful conversion is the preferred path of the Gallente, as well. The Caldari do not run an open society; it is truth that the Khanid are permitted to practice their own faith-- so long as they keep it private.
There may come a day when State and Empire no longer have larger problems to deal with-- not soon, but perhaps some day. When that day comes, and your missionaries are turned away at the border time and again ... will you still be speaking of peacefully spreading your faith?
Or, will you eventually resort to other methods of expansion? Will you then, as the Gallente do now, speak of "freeing" us from our ignorant, benighted, heathen ways?
I do not demand any answer; perhaps it is better for both of us if you do not. But if you wonder why your allies in the State sometimes bristle at the mention of your duty to reclaim humanity ... this is the reason. We do not speak of this often, templar, and I hope it will remain a thing little-remarked for decades to come, but the Caldari have learned the danger close friends can pose.
The Gallente were close friends, once.
We of the State find much to admire in the Amarr. It is a mark of respect that, should you indeed one day enter The Citadel in force, you will find it prepared for your arrival. |
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Posted - 2013.08.03 03:34:00 -
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Arc-08 wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon, Here in the gallente federation we do not force upon you a religeon, just a belief in the great laws of democracy, you can worship anybody or nobody at all.
Your religion is called "individualism," soldier. It is a corrosive force to any culture that does not share it.
The Amarr have the courtesy to understand, fully and properly, what it is that they do. They embrace it because they believe it is their god's will that all of humanity be brought under their rule.
You? You think there's nothing religious about your belief in things like "rights" that are somehow shared by all of humanity despite all the abundant evidence that the universe doesn't care what we do to each other in the slightest, or the magical power of enormous masses of humanity to make better decisions than a few well-chosen leaders.
You think you do us no harm when you tell us we're free to keep our own ways-- and then relentlessly market yours to us and to our children. "Well," you will say, "that's what people want."
You'll want to be neighbors. People will move in. Cultural exchange will happen, and cultural dilution.
In perhaps a dozen generations, my faith will be extinct. We'll be left with your shallow god of "freedom."
The Caldari took control of my homeworld generations ago. They took many of us, and educated us in Caldari ways, made us Caldari. Among them, we who remain Achur are not equals, not unless we adopt their ways and become as they are. We are a client people, a sort of cross between a poor cousin and a protected species.
But the places that they left to us? The rural communities, the monasteries, the wilds of Achura? They left them to us. We are not State citizens, but we are Achura. The Caldari allow and encourage us to preserve our ways with the same vigor with which they preserve their own.
You will have to excuse me if I prefer the will of the Elder Visionaries who lead my people and the State that protects them to Gallentean good intentions, soldier. Like the Caldari, we are proudly ourselves, and we will kill you before we will let you make us otherwise. |
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