2. Turning speed limit got to go, that was my only gripe when trying to stay on target

So I used the SP I accumulated for a while to try out the Heavy.
I put it into Amarr Heavy Frame and HMG's, both are at lvl III.
Slapped a complex damage mod and complex shield extender in the high's, a complex armor plate and a complex armor repairer in the lows, a MH-82 Heavy machine gun, a syndicate SMG and a standard core locus grenade.

In 50 matches, I figured this:
1. HMG is fine, the DPS potential is off the charts and I didn't have problems with accuracy
2. Turning speed limit got to go, that was my only gripe when trying to stay on target
3. Heavy speed isn't as limiting as I thought, can still manevour very well, though jumping is a *****
4. Heavy suit needs some resistances, which is what I'm going to talk about


People have suggested 30% resistance to small arms fire, and really, this is NOT what the heavy suit needs.
What it needs is 30%-50% resistance to all explosives.
Flux + MD = You're ******
Flaylock = You're ******
Locus grenade = You're ******
*Insert any explosive here* = You're ******

The fact that you are slow makes it even worse, as evading is pretty much impossible.
And to put icing on the cake, THEY'RE SPAMMABLE <--- THIS HAS TO BE FIXED

I also had a problem with snipers, their ROF is too high IMHO, but that's a topic for another day.



tl;dr:
HMG is fine, Heavy suit needs resistance against explosives OR make explosives less spammable.

*facepalm*

People still judge a class / role based on pubs. I don't even have to use an ADV HMG in pubs to have a good game. Doesn't mean the class is fine.

Jump in a competitive game vs 16 players with your best suit and gun, then come back and give your feedback. The amount of threads made in Chromosome addressing this and people STILL do it. smh.

How many heavy HMG you see in a pub game on avg? 2-4 maybe... How many you see in a PC? 2 if you're lucky. The MOST I have ever seen against a good team is 2. That should say how much they're worth in PC. If they were great why don't i see an abundance of heavies?

I WISH i saw more heavies in PC. They're the most fun I have confronting.

Heavies are good for pubstomping.

The suit? lol... we only have 1 suit, and you're basing the heavy class based on the Amarr. Can't really balance the heavy class based on 1 suit.

Explosives are TOO effective on a heavy.
Spam makes it worse.
Either make it one grenade per soldier and no nanohive reffils, or give them resistance to explosives.

i made a thread about this a while back... you're wasting time. People see nothing wrong in having 3 nades doing 1200 dmg. We should HTFU and move on.

fixed that for you. and no that is right. the MD is a heavies rival and that shouldn't go away. btw i use the assault and that 8m splash range is correct for the damage and would suggest more people try it out along with the LR. it is intended and you should move on because they have their weaknesses to which is why this is a team game and not a CoD shoot'em game.

Explosives are a hard counter to armor, and are therefore a good counter to Heavies/Sentinels due to their high armor (though they also have high shield to go with that armor). This should NOT be changed, although if explosives are really meant to do 80/120 damage to shields/armor, then they need to fix it so that it actually does that.

In my opinion the Sentinel suit bonus should be a 2 or 3% damage resistance. The Sentinel is meant to soak up damage, and this bonus would fit it really well. Just like the Assault suit is meant to deal damage and therefore should get a 2 or 3% damage bonus.

bu...but you mean the current bonus to reload time and feedback dmg isn't helping the suit?

i just had to lol... maybe another suit will have a bonus like the one you mentioned.

dafuq? I wasn't talking about MD's. I was talking about 3 core locus nades doing 600 dmg each.

Funny you mention CoD though, cuz the MD is nothing more than a semi auto noobtube

Explosives are TOO effective on a heavy.
Spam makes it worse.
Either make it one grenade per soldier and no nanohive reffils, or give them resistance to explosives.

I still think that it's weird. Light suits have small capacity grenade slot(3 grenades), medium suits have medium capacity grenade slots(3 grenades), heavies have high capacity grenade slots(3 grenades).

Pretty sure that the original intent was to limit grenades, but they got lazy and couldn't get it to work.

*Scout strafes around me*
Not this **** again
*Stand there and take it because the scout can strafe faster than I can turn*

*facepalm*

People still judge a class / role based on pubs. I don't even have to use an ADV HMG in pubs to have a good game. Doesn't mean the class is fine.

Jump in a competitive game vs 16 players with your best suit and gun, then come back and give your feedback. The amount of threads made in Chromosome addressing this and people STILL do it. smh.

How many heavy HMG you see in a pub game on avg? 2-4 maybe... How many you see in a PC? 2 if you're lucky. The MOST I have ever seen against a good team is 2. That should say how much they're worth in PC. If they were great why don't i see an abundance of heavies?

I WISH i saw more heavies in PC. They're the most fun I have confronting.

Heavies are good for pubstomping.

The suit? lol... we only have 1 suit, and you're basing the heavy class based on the Amarr. Can't really balance the heavy class based on 1 suit.

To be fair though, a lot of the suit bonuses are terrible, not just the Sentinel ones.

I wouldn't really mind a 5% reload bonus (per level), but 2%? No thank you. The damage feedback is just terrible in every way though. For starters we don't even have the Heavy Laser weapon which I guess this bonus was meant for, secondly why would we have a bonus for something (overheating the weapon) we're trying to avoid anyway. It just doesn't make sense. Slower heat build-up or faster cooldown would be better (for when the weapon is introduced anyway).

But yeah like I said, 2 or 3% damage resistance as the Sentinel bonus, and then I guess the Minmatar Sentinel could get the reload bonus (5% per level), since the HMG is a Minmatar weapon (right?).

THANK YOU! I've been saying this for ages, although I still don't particularly agree with the accuracy part. I'm guessing that's part of the miniscule turn speed, that makes it difficult to turn as people strafe.

Well as it seems CCP has listened to you. They are testing exactly this and additionally an increase in strafe speed for heavies If i remember correct this is planned for 1.4 to strike in

Can you give us a link?