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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2013.07.25 18:51:00 -
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+1, thanks for the stats |
Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2013.07.25 19:08:00 -
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Mintqueer wrote:You only mentioned the Gallente line of ARs, we also have the Amarr (Laser and Scrambler Rifles), we are missing the caldari and minmatar line.
Anyways, AR are standard at everything but not the best in a variety of scenarios.
The Amarr/Caldari/Minmater weapons are not Assault Rilfes.
Amarr: Scrambler Rifles
Caldari: Rail Rifles (not yet released)
Minmater: Combat Rifles (not yet released)
There are variations of each of these as well, but OP was not documenting these other types of rifles or their variations. |
Forlorn Destrier
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Malkai Inos wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Mintqueer wrote:You only mentioned the Gallente line of ARs, we also have the Amarr (Laser and Scrambler Rifles), we are missing the caldari and minmatar line.
Anyways, AR are standard at everything but not the best in a variety of scenarios.
The Amarr/Caldari/Minmater weapons are not Assault Rilfes; the term "Assault Rifle" only applies to Gallente weapons. Amarr: Scrambler Rifles Caldari: Rail Rifles (not yet released) Minmater: Combat Rifles (not yet released) There are variations of each of these as well, but OP was not documenting these other types of rifles or their variations. Actually, the current AR should be called "particle rifle" or similar as it is an AR just as the other three. AR should be it's own category which is then subdivided into the racial variants. As others have pointed out the terminology "Assault Rifle" implies that it's the standard CoD style weapon in the game. This has become untrue at least since the release of the Scrambler. This is equally true with the Submachine Gun as there will be other weapons that would fit into this name just as well and of course with the Sniper Rifle. All of which need to be renamed and categorized so that people who look for their favorite weapon types are not tricked into thinking that there's only one weapon for each of those categories.
But this isn't CoD. Also, the AR skill doesn't unlock the SR, for example. Just because other developers used a name in a certain way doesn't mean that CCP is required to do that as well. I disagree with your opinion that it should be renaled because other games do it a certain way.
That's not to say it shouldn't be renamed, I just don't agree with the logic that "x does this so this game should too". |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:41:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Mintqueer wrote:You only mentioned the Gallente line of ARs, we also have the Amarr (Laser and Scrambler Rifles), we are missing the caldari and minmatar line.
Anyways, AR are standard at everything but not the best in a variety of scenarios.
The Amarr/Caldari/Minmater weapons are not Assault Rilfes; the term "Assault Rifle" only applies to Gallente weapons. Amarr: Scrambler Rifles Caldari: Rail Rifles (not yet released) Minmater: Combat Rifles (not yet released) There are variations of each of these as well, but OP was not documenting these other types of rifles or their variations. Actually, the current AR should be called "particle rifle" or similar as it is an AR just as the other three. AR should be it's own category which is then subdivided into the racial variants. As others have pointed out the terminology "Assault Rifle" implies that it's the standard CoD style weapon in the game. This has become untrue at least since the release of the Scrambler. This is equally true with the Submachine Gun as there will be other weapons that would fit into this name just as well and of course with the Sniper Rifle. All of which need to be renamed and categorized so that people who look for their favorite weapon types are not tricked into thinking that there's only one weapon for each of those categories. But this isn't CoD. Also, the AR skill doesn't unlock the SR, for example. Just because other developers used a name in a certain way doesn't mean that CCP is required to do that as well. I disagree with your opinion that it should be renaled because other games do it a certain way. That's not to say it shouldn't be renamed, I just don't agree with the logic that "x does this so this game should too". Every time I read " But this isn't CoD " i stop reading immediately... you guys are getting ******* boring with the FPS hate..
Two points:
1. It's not hate - it's the fact that this is a different game. I've never played CoD, and have no opinion of it whatsoever, and I'm sure that the way they do things is fine; that said, why does the naming have to be the exact same as every other game you played? That's my point - why can't CCP name the items the way they want to name them?
2. When someone invokes a comparison to naming, then expect a reply using that as a reference; I didn't bring up CoD, the poster did.
My point: I want my games to be unique. I don't want to play a puzzle game that uses "portals" to jump around if it's not actually portal - I want it to be unique and name make it at least seem like a different game (regardless of mechanics). |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:01:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Considering that there is also a weapon class called Assault Rifle as pointed out, inlcuding Scrambler Rifle, Rail Rifle, and Combat Rifle, it would seem as though the Gallente Assault Rifle needs a name change. Perhaps Plasma Rifle. In fact if you change the name to "Plasma Rifle" I bet you start seeing a larger variety of weapons being used; currently I am speculating that most people specialization into Assault Rifles simply because of its name.
For those that weren't around in the beta, the weapon was called only Assault Rifle. With the release of Uprising 1.0, they changed the name to Gallente Assault Rifle (this is the "long" name). They are the same. Check the release notes and threads on the forums at that time for confirmation of this. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:39:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Considering that there is also a weapon class called Assault Rifle as pointed out, inlcuding Scrambler Rifle, Rail Rifle, and Combat Rifle, it would seem as though the Gallente Assault Rifle needs a name change. Perhaps Plasma Rifle. In fact if you change the name to "Plasma Rifle" I bet you start seeing a larger variety of weapons being used; currently I am speculating that most people specialization into Assault Rifles simply because of its name. For those that weren't around in the beta, the weapon was called only Assault Rifle. With the release of Uprising 1.0, they changed the name to Gallente Assault Rifle (this is the "long" name). They are the same. Check the release notes and threads on the forums at that time for confirmation of this. I think the discussion revolves around the question wether the SCR, AR and the other two variants can or should be considered parts of the same general weapon class (again, just formally). Here's why i think they should: All four are (or are expected to be) general use - directed fire - direct engagement weapons that are used in a tactically similar manner by largely the same general type of player. This is my basis on saying that communicating them as such would help diversify the battlefield as players are made aware of the fact that their preferred play style is represented by more than one option.
Oh I see what people are thinking - I just don't think there has to be a "grouping" for these. They are all "Light Weapons"; that is enough of a grouping for me. And if you do want to group them, perhaps there is something else can call the group that doesn't mandate a name change for the AR. |
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