DUST Search - Why would you create and train elite mercenaries to mine?

2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

TERMINALANCE wrote:

maybe if you mine in the 3rd world country today. not in 50 years from now and certainly not in a future where you have giant spaceships.

If the technology is so great, and machines are doing everything, why even have cloned soldiers?

Apparently it's all machines. Mining would still be plenty dangerous because planets can be unpredictable, especially ones that aren't Temperate. You try mining on a Lava planet and tell me how safe that is.

By that logic you would be using capsuleers already to mine on planets and operate the mining machines/ships , as that would still make far more sense then using clone soldiers.

Pods don't fit into subterranean mining equipment that well and Trit (a main component of Pods I assume) blows up or otherwise reacts seriously negatively to oxygen so they would be ill-suited to stripmining as well.

This is why we have squishy barges in space doing the heavy lifting for mining.

Ah ic, then wouldn't they just put the pods in a sealed container or something? and wouldn't it depend on how big the equipment was? I mean they would be far better at piloting a 10000 ton mining drill, wouldn't they?

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TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 195	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:15:00 - [1] - Quote Why would you create super soldiers, train them so that they are the best of the best, teach them how to use the basic of each weapon and dropsuits, equip them with all the cybernetics and neural up links necessary to be effective combat soldiers, teach them to drive and operate the basic form of every vehicle and aircraft in existence, give them a clone body that costs a immense amount per clone, equip them in the most high tech armor and neural implants. And then sent them out to mine rocks!?!?! because you need immortal soldiers who can never die to mine your rocks for you? You where not created to mine rocks, or craft items, or talk to NPC's or kill 100 whateverthefucks, You where created for the single purpose to make other people like you go face down in the mud and make sure whatever they did not want you to have you took. Your whole existence is to make money off killing other people or keeping people from killing people by killing them first. Miners are either under your boot or behind your back. Either way you make more money then them and if you don't you can go take it from them, if no one is dumb enough to try and stop you that is.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2150	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:18:00 - [2] - Quote Because, I am as strong as 10 men (Quoted from the bartender wench in Horizon lounge) and cand o the job faster. Also, I am my own man, I'm immortal, maybe I don't want to fight forever? Maybe I want to run a mining corporation, or be a trader? Welcome to the MMO frontier bro.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5473	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:19:00 - [3] - Quote You could probably do some crazy mining as an immortal. You'd be a lot less worried about cave ins and methane pockets, that's for sure. I would mine because ** the police and ** your opinions
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 483	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:20:00 - [4] - Quote Well, actually, mining can be an incredibly dangerous business. Having people that can't die go to do tasks with an appreciable mortality rate is safer than using mortals, could also save money on health and safety thus improving returns. Mercs freelance their skills. This does not mean killing people for money, necessarily. It's just one such service provided... for a price. Being unable to truly die is in itself quite the skill.
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 195	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:20:00 - [5] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Because, I am as strong as 10 men (Quoted from the bartender wench in Horizon lounge) and cand o the job faster. Also, I am my own man, I'm immortal, maybe I don't want to fight forever? Maybe I want to run a mining corporation, or be a trader? Welcome to the MMO frontier bro. Then why did you spend the past 20 years or however many of your life training to be a super soldier? It makes no sense. And you know whats stronger then 10 men? a drilling machine.. and its the future, they don't need you swinging a pickaxe....
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 195	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:21:00 - [6] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Well, actually, mining can be an incredibly dangerous business. Having people that can't die go to do tasks with an appreciable mortality rate is safer than using mortals, could also save money on health and safety thus improving returns. Mercs freelance their skills. This does not mean killing people for money, necessarily. It's just one such service provided... for a price. Being unable to truly due is in itself quite the skill. You would not use cloned solders for that you would use clone miners? and who this far in the future is gonna be using men to mine rocks? when you can send a machine to do it for you better.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2150	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:23:00 - [7] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Because, I am as strong as 10 men (Quoted from the bartender wench in Horizon lounge) and cand o the job faster. Also, I am my own man, I'm immortal, maybe I don't want to fight forever? Maybe I want to run a mining corporation, or be a trader? Welcome to the MMO frontier bro. Then why did you spend the past 20 years or however many of your life training to be a super soldier? It makes no sense. And you know whats stronger then 10 men? a drilling machine.. and its the future, they don't need you swinging a pickaxe.... Because I'm immortal, 20 years is nothing.. (Really, 20 compared to infinite, you just can't) You know who doesn't need to pay out on a drilling machine or a pickaxe? This guy, I'm going to punch the ore out.
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 195	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:23:00 - [8] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Well, actually, mining can be an incredibly dangerous business. Having people that can't die go to do tasks with an appreciable mortality rate is safer than using mortals, could also save money on health and safety thus improving returns. Mercs freelance their skills. This does not mean killing people for money, necessarily. It's just one such service provided... for a price. Being unable to truly die is in itself quite the skill. maybe if you mine in the 3rd world country today. not in 50 years from now and certainly not in a future where you have giant spaceships.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5473	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:26:00 - [9] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: maybe if you mine in the 3rd world country today. not in 50 years from now and certainly not in a future where you have giant spaceships. If the technology is so great, and machines are doing everything, why even have cloned soldiers? Apparently it's all machines. Mining would still be plenty dangerous because planets can be unpredictable, especially ones that aren't Temperate. You try mining on a Lava planet and tell me how safe that is.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 742	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:29:00 - [10] - Quote Who has brought up mining from a Pro-mining stance (aside from those playing devil's advocate to your Anti-mining stance)? Is this in response to people want more from Dust than JALS? Why are you so afraid of Dust being more than JALS that you need to create a ridiculous strawman?

2-Ton Twenty-One Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 853	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:29:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: maybe if you mine in the 3rd world country today. not in 50 years from now and certainly not in a future where you have giant spaceships. If the technology is so great, and machines are doing everything, why even have cloned soldiers? Apparently it's all machines. Mining would still be plenty dangerous because planets can be unpredictable, especially ones that aren't Temperate. You try mining on a Lava planet and tell me how safe that is. By that logic you would be using capsuleers already to mine on planets and operate the mining machines/ships , as that would still make far more sense then using clone soldiers.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 346	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:30:00 - [12] - Quote Confused, are we talking about Dust or EVE here? We're contract mercs fighting for whoever hires us. I dont see no mining going on. Although I'm not opposed to Dust 5Mine1craft4. Anyways, we're mercs, if picking up poop earns me 100k ISK, then so be it.
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 195	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:30:00 - [13] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Because, I am as strong as 10 men (Quoted from the bartender wench in Horizon lounge) and cand o the job faster. Also, I am my own man, I'm immortal, maybe I don't want to fight forever? Maybe I want to run a mining corporation, or be a trader? Welcome to the MMO frontier bro. Then why did you spend the past 20 years or however many of your life training to be a super soldier? It makes no sense. And you know whats stronger then 10 men? a drilling machine.. and its the future, they don't need you swinging a pickaxe.... Because I'm immortal, 20 years is nothing.. (Really, 20 compared to infinite, you just can't) You know who doesn't need to pay out on a drilling machine or a pickaxe? This guy, I'm going to punch the ore out. lol still makes about as much sense as that does.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 724	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:31:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You could probably do some crazy mining as an immortal. You'd be a lot less worried about cave ins and methane pockets, that's for sure. I would mine because ** the police and ** your opinions I like you better in this thread
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5474	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:32:00 - [15] - Quote 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: maybe if you mine in the 3rd world country today. not in 50 years from now and certainly not in a future where you have giant spaceships. If the technology is so great, and machines are doing everything, why even have cloned soldiers? Apparently it's all machines. Mining would still be plenty dangerous because planets can be unpredictable, especially ones that aren't Temperate. You try mining on a Lava planet and tell me how safe that is. By that logic you would be using capsuleers already to mine on planets and operate the mining machines/ships , as that would still make far more sense then using clone soldiers. Well capsuleers wouldn't be as profitable, since the clones are more complex and require ISK investments, whereas we're just clone goo waiting to happen. Also, we transfer consciousness faster than capsuleers. Also, plenty of capsuleers enjoy mining, they just prefer to sit in their ship while all the little human worker bees go about making sure the ship is operational and handling the cargo as it comes in.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 742	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:32:00 - [16] - Quote 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: maybe if you mine in the 3rd world country today. not in 50 years from now and certainly not in a future where you have giant spaceships. If the technology is so great, and machines are doing everything, why even have cloned soldiers? Apparently it's all machines. Mining would still be plenty dangerous because planets can be unpredictable, especially ones that aren't Temperate. You try mining on a Lava planet and tell me how safe that is. By that logic you would be using capsuleers already to mine on planets and operate the mining machines/ships , as that would still make far more sense then using clone soldiers. Pods don't fit into subterranean mining equipment that well and Trit (a main component of Pods I assume) blows up or otherwise reacts seriously negatively to oxygen so they would be ill-suited to stripmining as well. This is why we have squishy barges in space doing the heavy lifting for mining.
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 195	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:32:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: maybe if you mine in the 3rd world country today. not in 50 years from now and certainly not in a future where you have giant spaceships. If the technology is so great, and machines are doing everything, why even have cloned soldiers? Apparently it's all machines. Mining would still be plenty dangerous because planets can be unpredictable, especially ones that aren't Temperate. You try mining on a Lava planet and tell me how safe that is. and you would use a person for that why? a machine would still be a far better choice as guess what, it would never have to worry if it fell in lava? or the heat or beind tired or any of that.
2-Ton Twenty-One Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 853	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:35:00 - [18] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: maybe if you mine in the 3rd world country today. not in 50 years from now and certainly not in a future where you have giant spaceships. If the technology is so great, and machines are doing everything, why even have cloned soldiers? Apparently it's all machines. Mining would still be plenty dangerous because planets can be unpredictable, especially ones that aren't Temperate. You try mining on a Lava planet and tell me how safe that is. By that logic you would be using capsuleers already to mine on planets and operate the mining machines/ships , as that would still make far more sense then using clone soldiers. Pods don't fit into subterranean mining equipment that well and Trit (a main component of Pods I assume) blows up or otherwise reacts seriously negatively to oxygen so they would be ill-suited to stripmining as well. This is why we have squishy barges in space doing the heavy lifting for mining. Ah ic, then wouldn't they just put the pods in a sealed container or something? and wouldn't it depend on how big the equipment was? I mean they would be far better at piloting a 10000 ton mining drill, wouldn't they?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5474	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:36:00 - [19] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: and you would use a person for that why? a machine would still be a far better choice as guess what, it would never have to worry if it fell in lava? or the heat or beind tired or any of that. It's all about the ISK. If you lose just one of those mining rigs, you're going to be in the hole for a while. Better to pay some poor shmuck immortals who are down on their luck and in need of some ISK. Send them in and let them have it. I don't know about you, but if I'm immortal, I'm going to do whatever the **** I want. I'll still watch out for CONCORD though, cuz they're a bunch of bullies.
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 195	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:37:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: and you would use a person for that why? a machine would still be a far better choice as guess what, it would never have to worry if it fell in lava? or the heat or beind tired or any of that. It's all about the ISK. If you lose just one of those mining rigs, you're going to be in the hole for a while. Better to pay some poor shmuck immortals who are down on their luck and in need of some ISK. Send them in and let them have it. I don't know about you, but if I'm immortal, I'm going to do whatever the **** I want. I'll still watch out for CONCORD though, cuz they're a bunch of bullies. Dont our clones only have like a very short lifespan of about 48 hours or something? that would start to add up fast.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5476	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:38:00 - [21] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: Dont our clones only have like a very short lifespan of about 48 hours or something? that would start to add up fast. I've never heard that one before.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 742	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:40:00 - [22] - Quote 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: maybe if you mine in the 3rd world country today. not in 50 years from now and certainly not in a future where you have giant spaceships. If the technology is so great, and machines are doing everything, why even have cloned soldiers? Apparently it's all machines. Mining would still be plenty dangerous because planets can be unpredictable, especially ones that aren't Temperate. You try mining on a Lava planet and tell me how safe that is. By that logic you would be using capsuleers already to mine on planets and operate the mining machines/ships , as that would still make far more sense then using clone soldiers. Pods don't fit into subterranean mining equipment that well and Trit (a main component of Pods I assume) blows up or otherwise reacts seriously negatively to oxygen so they would be ill-suited to stripmining as well. This is why we have squishy barges in space doing the heavy lifting for mining. Ah ic, then wouldn't they just put the pods in a sealed container or something? and wouldn't it depend on how big the equipment was? I mean they would be far better at piloting a 10000 ton mining drill, wouldn't they? They tried that though, the capsuleers went insane from the claustrophobia. The stripmining didn't work out either, seriously, when the trit that goes into one pod goes critical inside an atmosphere, catastrophic things happen. Thankfully, when the Titan crashed on Caldari Prime, most of the trit burned up on entry, otherwise it would've ended much worse for all those poor civvies there.


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