Yan Darn
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:21:00 -
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Gorra Snell wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:
And one more thing new player. Pick a role and stick with it. You have to specialize in this game. The skill tree is too broad to branch out into multiple areas. I'm at 18 million skill points and I'm skilled into one suit and two weapons (one being a swarm launcher).
That sounds like an extremely boring way to play the game. If being the best of the best is important to you, you're probably right about being super focused - that's cool - enjoy you the game the way you enjoy it. I'd much rather have all weapons unlocked to level 3, than have one maxed out through the absurdly expensive reload and fitting skills, which only gives you a tiny, situational advantage in combat. For me, being able to swap between decent logi, frontline and AV fits makes the game a lot of fun. Some new players would probably be happier specializing, others being jack of all trades. It just depends on the players' personalities.
Tl;dr OP has a point, but a narrow view of Dust.
I'm one of these new players OP is referring to I guess and I agree with this point. Put it this way - Ideally I want to spec into scout to scan and recon (I.e be a Scout), but with scanning skills/mechanics the way they are and only 2/4 scout suits available, why would I want to start specialising down that path yet? I won't be spending ANY points Into dropsuit command or any more than the lv1 ive got into the 3 sensor skills until I hear somethin remotely solid on these issues from CCP.
I'm at nearly 2mil, most of my SP are in core skills, but I have some in AR, Sniper and Shotgun, as well as Hives, Uplinks, and reps. I can counter snipe when we are being sniped, I can help keep that Heavy alive (or revive them otherwise) or resupply that FG or whatever, or sneak round and get an uplink so we have somewhere to flank with. I can use Remote exp. as well, but lets ignore that.
Could I do any of those competitively in PC? Well no, but why would you have someone at 2mil SP in PC, regardless of whether they have specialised or not?
I can't see how the ~250kSP is going to hurt that badly when I'm at 7milSP. At least so much as to slog my way through the grind using only ARs and Hives every match, every clone.
Give noobs like me a clue, make sure we aren't trying to armour tank our Caldari starter fits, direct us to swarms and FG if we want to AV, or shotguns and nova knives if we love cqc, but especially considering there is still new content, mechanics and balance changes to come - trying to get new players to specialise like we are in 10 year old EVE just seems counter productive.
We will get bored and/or frustrated, leave and prove all these naysayers right about CCP wasting time and resources.
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Yan Darn
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:20:00 -
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You are going at it the right way. Just get your core skills up.
My biggest problem is when I hear a guy with 7 or 8 million and he's got a proto suit in one class and an advanced or even a proto in another. This is crazy.
I think it's okay to go to L3 in different weapons to get an idea of what you like. When I say spec'd into I mean you are getting into proficiency.
I just created alt to go scout and it's tough. The biotics are an SP sink. Shotguns require L4 operation (WHY??). You need to get your scanning skills up.
I'm running around in Dren BPOs mostly and skilling into scout skills as I go. It's brutal.
When I was a new player there wasn't an SP gap like this. If you ever needed to know how out of touch with the actual gameplay and playerbase CCP is you can look at the 10,000 WP limit for academy. This should be at least 200,000.
If new players want to get into the major leagues they should join a corp and get drug in via sqauds.
Fair do's - I'm too lazy to double check, but I believe you mentioned not spending a single point until getting advice/combined with yourself only using two weapons etc. it seemed like you were saying being super focused and hyper efficient with SP is the only realistic way to play.
I agree about shotguns, getting LW to lv4 last night maybe a decision Ill regret...and yes Biotics is a pain, I mean lv5 to even start using kincats! Pfft. I've got lv3 to offset armour plates, ill think about moving ahead later.
On that note, I've done things like start as Gallente, so I get a bigger/earlier payoff for investing in armour skills early on, and I'm armour tanking because I'm expecting the dynamic between shields and profile to be similar to EVE - this is my point, if CCP don't move in the direction I'm hoping, I might screw the whole recon thing and decide I want to be a heavy sniper or logi - if I'm really lucky they might introduce a full suite of ewar modules and that would supersede everything.
In which case getting Gallente scout lv5 will seem redundant, I'd rather get shields to lv5 first - at least that provides me with something that will always work for me. You could say the same about the scan skills/modules -but does anyone here truly know to what extent they affect anything? I've not even skilled into active scanners on my main - no WP for spotting and no real demand for it, compared to hives and uplinks. |