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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.07.24 00:54:00 -
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This i posted it in a GENERAL DISCUSSIONS thread, but i want to make sure more people read it....
With the new improves the AMARR LOGI will have im scared they will be the next OP LOGI/ASSAULT
I understand the sidearms slot in every one of them, but also a low powered slot on proto?
I know this is well intended and i would love it if good logis could use this suit, but im thinking here of what dust has the most, TRY HARDS.
With 7 SLOTS, (Same as assaults), more PG and CPU, More equipment slots, 2 AWESOME specialization bonuses and the ONLY drawback being less speed and less stamina makes me think that anyone wanting to go assault WITHOUT using laser weapons might use this suit.
Think of the possibilities.EXMP:
-AR or light weapon of choice, say, MASS DRIVER
-Sidearm of choice
-2 Complex shield EXT
-1 Complex damage mod
- 1 complex kinetic
- 1 complex repair
- 1 armor plate of your choosing.
- 1 armor plate of your choosing or Stamina enhancers.
-Equipment of your election.
-Speedy shield regen.
-Speedy Armor regen (about 12.5 per sec with only 1 complex armor rep)
-MED-High HP (482 total HP with lv 4 passive skills and 2 complex shield extenders, No armor plates included here)
-Decent speed, as per default at complex level kinetic will give a total speed of 7.48 sprinting.
-And they dont even have the disadvantage other logis have from lacking sidearm.
So , i mean IM HAPPY FOR LOGIS, specially amarr ones, but CCP should THINK this well before just buffing them into the next OP suit.
I just hope the speed and stamina are enough to stop assault players into spec'ing into these suits, but one never knows....
I really think the a CPU/PG increase so that you can equip PROTO stuff on the few slots you have is good, Side arms for all versions, good, But extra low slot it pushing it too far. I predicted CAL LOGIS being the next OP suit, and right now, mark my words, im telling you, put 1 extra low slot and soon you will see the new bumblebee army, now impervious to Flux grenades.... |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 02:38:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:I have 3 shield extenders and get 356 hp with it, explain how thats Op? Regardless if you read the description you will find it's ASSAULT ORIENTED, also I have a proto amarr assault on an alt and its way better for killing, faster and has more hp, the amarr logi is balanced, its supposed to be assault oriented as it's description states, if someone wants to fit it for an assault style logi then they are using it correctly.
A Logi, even if assault oriented, shouldt be able too outclass the ASSAULT dropsuits,since they are Assault focused.
My point being, the Amar logi, provided they have 1 more low slot will make them a better version of assault dropsuits, having the same slots,same side arm, but a lot more PG + CPU and equipment slots, making it AGAIN, pointless to spec into asault.
Im just trying to avoid another period of LOGI/ASSAULTS and a later and expected NERF. |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 02:44:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I have 3 shield extenders and get 356 hp with it, explain how thats Op? Regardless if you read the description you will find it's ASSAULT ORIENTED, also I have a proto amarr assault on an alt and its way better for killing, faster and has more hp, the amarr logi is balanced, its supposed to be assault oriented as it's description states, if someone wants to fit it for an assault style logi then they are using it correctly. A Logi, even if assault oriented, shouldt be able too outclass the ASSAULT dropsuits,since they are Assault focused. My point being, the Amar logi, provided they have 1 more low slot will make them a better version of assault dropsuits, having the same slots,same side arm, but a lot more PG + CPU and equipment slots, making it AGAIN, pointless to spec into asault. Im just trying to avoid another period of OP LOGI/ASSAULTS and a later and expected NERF. The Amarr Assault is Pretty Good from what I hear. I Doubt that the buff the A-Logi will get will be the next, Super mega OP monster Buff.
im just saying, IM NOT against logis getting buffs to fulfill their roles. again ,im just trying to avoid some future nerfs. The amarr Logi is awesome as it is. Improving it SO MUCH might end up in what i stated in my main post, and then of course, the whining, the me telling people i told you so, and later off, a NERF. Then we will have the same people wo say they will leave dust blabla.. I mean im just trying to avoid another Logi dominating game period and a future NERF.
Thats why the post is named , STUDY THE AMARR LOGI. :3 |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 02:55:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Explain how a suit with less speed and hitpoints could outclass the opposite unless the assault player just wasn't as good as the logi with their gun game?
Of course bro:
-As it is, th eamarr Logi has 300 total HP. That is only 30 less than a regular assault. (not including Minmatar that has 285 {LESS HP}or the AMMARr that has 360, {MORE})
-The Bonuses for the A.Logi are best fitted for firefights than the Amar assault (unless you want Laser weapons) and many other assaults for that matter.
-High Armor regen and Low shield recharge delay make it a good armor for Firefight engagements.
-The equipment slots make it a far superior option over assaults being able to carry crucial equipment like nanohives and uplinks.
-The increased CPU/PG makes it easier to fir Proto modules.
-The Side arm removes one of the few disadvantages Logis have vs assaults.
-The remaining downfalls (Speed and stamina) can be easily fixed with Kinetic and cardiac regulators, an you do have the CPU/PG to use complex or enhanced.
Anyone thinking 30+ HP and 10-60 stamina are worth 3+ equipment slots and a armor regen of 12.5 with only 1 complex armor rep is nuts.
Im not talking **** here bro. I use proto Amarr logi in an alt account and i know its capabilities:
at lvel 4 passive you get a total of 216 armor and 144 shield, totalling 360 HP. Then add 3 complex shield, 548 HP. This without even touching the low powered module, not being re tuned to 4....
Ad a single complex kinetic and you run at 7.48.
Add an enhanced Cardiac simulator and you have a total of 220.5 stamina with a good stamina regen rate, and you still get 1 slot for the armor rep and NOW another slot.
AGAIN, im not agains the armor gtting buffed, just , im asking for CCP to be careful with it.
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Posted - 2013.07.24 02:57:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I have 3 shield extenders and get 356 hp with it, explain how thats Op? Regardless if you read the description you will find it's ASSAULT ORIENTED, also I have a proto amarr assault on an alt and its way better for killing, faster and has more hp, the amarr logi is balanced, its supposed to be assault oriented as it's description states, if someone wants to fit it for an assault style logi then they are using it correctly. A Logi, even if assault oriented, shouldt be able too outclass the ASSAULT dropsuits,since they are Assault focused. My point being, the Amar logi, provided they have 1 more low slot will make them a better version of assault dropsuits, having the same slots,same side arm, but a lot more PG + CPU and equipment slots, making it AGAIN, pointless to spec into asault. Im just trying to avoid another period of OP LOGI/ASSAULTS and a later and expected NERF. I understand the concern, but as already mentioned, being hybrid assault is the whole point of the amarr suit. As for it being the next OP FotM, I dunno, I think the speed is going to turn some people away, and one of the major problems with the caldari suit was the tanking bonus, which is not occurring here. Lets not forget that the suit will still have significantly less PG/CPU than the caldari after 1.3, if memory serves. And as we all know, until armor tanking is fixed, there will always be problems with amarr suits overall.
Indeed you are correct, but the tanking bonus is basically being replaced by a REGEN bonus, PLUS Sidearm.
My point is, im not asking for a nerf before release, i jsut want to make sure that CCP knows what they are doing, because of what i already explained, the circle of try hards:
NEW OP SUIT, everybody jumps to new bandwagon, s*** gets old in 1-2 months, Whine posts rise, NERF. LOGIS f*** in the a*** again because of assault tryhards.
YEah the amarr is the most assault oriented, no it shouldnt be better than assault suits. |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 03:08:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Nice set of numbers that show stats but the reality is that the assault IS better for its role, its assault so I carry nanohives. If I want to play assault I use my amarr assault, if the logi was better than the assault then I'd have transferred my isk to my logi and deleted it.
Im not saying it IS. But it will. At least for any weapon not laser based.
Just a prediction, dont need to agree with me, but you cant argue with me asking CCP to study the dropsuit well before releasing it and realizing its broken, thing that has happened beffore. |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 03:22:00 -
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BTW The shield tanking example was to make a point of the actual tanking capacity the AMMAR logi has. NOT saying i the optimal fit.
OF course, if you are using laser weaponry the AMARR assault will ALWAYS be superior. But for any other weapon,well, we shall see... |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 03:30:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:True Adamance wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:That depends on style of play, seen as I'm a logi I stack regulators so my shields recharge quickly, im a merc who likes amarr technology, I hold no allegiance to your idiocracy  If I'm strictly heavy healing I stack armour because moving ridiculously slow is not an issue if I'm doing that. You hold no allegiance to the tenets upon which Amarrian martial tradition is founded upon? That is a grave mistake. Using the traditions of holy armour, cleansing beams of light, and the redeeming litanies of pulse rounds is nigh unstoppable when you dig in on an objective. I've yet to see any team take a point held by a co-ordinated or determined Amarr squad. I want to use armour but I'm scared of running that slow lol
-Ferroscales anyone? At level 5 they give 66 armor, no speed lost,pretty much the same as shields.
-Or enhanced Armor plates, that at level 5 give around 100HP, and the5% speed penalty is nullified by the passive +5% sprint speed/stamina/stamina regen you can skill into to get kinetic cat.
-Well maybe im getting worked up out of nothing, maybe im the only one who thought amar logi was good and that now it might become OP....
Lets just see, but i insist for CCP to make a good study on it... |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 04:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I'll use enhanced but not complex, too slow  A decent fit is two Complex Reppers and a Complex Plate. You should get about 380ish Armour coupled with your extreme repair rates. Sorry when I say extreme I mean by armour tanker standards.... repping at all is amazing!
Im my Amarr logi alt, i use Kinetic cat. / Enhanced Armor plate/ Complex armor rep.
have a total of 333 armor + 12.5 rep rate + assault level speed. (me being of scout origins i , kind of like the speed)
I also use 2 complex shield ext for a total of 266 shields anda GRAND total of 599 ish. Not a lot, but decent for a ''speedish'' A.logi... |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 05:00:00 -
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ok, bro. Nice stats there.
But let me tell you, just changing a simple complex shield for an enhanced will get you a better weapon.
And Assaults using logi dont equip stuff unless they have extra CPU/PG, thats why they are not TRUE logis....
Then again, this is a petition for them to STUDY the suit, im not against the buff of it. so chill will ya...
And, btw, id ont know what game you have been playig, but in dust, a TOXIN AR with proficiency 5 still wipes out a lot of stuff :3 |
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