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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:17:00 -
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I played scout all through chromosome (with my Ignoble Son character). Scout was half way decent back then, espesialy when you got to proto (oh how I miss my chrom scout). With uprising, scout took a nose dive off the high dive into a dry pool, and things since just seem to be sliding further and further down hill.
The heavy suit has been neglected in many ways over the corse of dusts history, and has only resently seen some changes in the right direction (though I stress VERY MINOR). This leads me to believe that more changes for the heavy are due/coming SOON. Whether it be racial suits/weapons or a balence pass.
This also leads me to believe, with so much other stuff being worked/focused on will scout be left out in the cold for an extended period of time? I hope not. With the soon to be introduced pilot suit around the corner (I'm a tank pilot), I long to return to my beloved scout.
Your thoughts are appreciated. Thanx. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1189
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:18:00 -
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Scouts are too slim to be heavy, so no. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
271
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:20:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Scouts are too slim to be heavy, so no.
Facepalm *shakes his head* |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1189
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:24:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Scouts are too slim to be heavy, so no. Facepalm *shakes his head*
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AfroSunshineY Consequence
Clan Choinnich
39
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:26:00 -
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I think its more like Heavies are the new scout. I used to scoff at heavies who complained about their role, because I kind of feel like Logi > Assault > Heavy > Scout right now. All a heavy with an HMG need do is sneeze in my direction and I'll be dead - so I had little sympathy for their plight. The way I see it, heavies are at least able to engage in direct combat with other suit classes - as a scout, I usually prey on inexperienced medium frame players or other scouts. Killing heavies is always a special treat because it is incredibly difficult with a shotgun even if I'm close enough to hug those fat bastards. I understand why they sometimes complain though. They are neglected and preyed upon by Medium frame suits all the time, because they are a big target. |
ISuperstar
DIOS X. II Top Men.
175
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:30:00 -
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Logi's and Assaults are the only viable classes right now, outside of tanking.
Change the racial bonuses on the Heavy and buff the HMG already.
Also why does the basic Frame Minmitar suit get a passive armor repair while Heavy's don't? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
875
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:32:00 -
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Scouts are all but pointless until we can get some useful specialisation bonuses. Light frames should have been given the 2light weapon specialisation IMO.
Which headcase came up with the idea of making someone go through a heavy dropsuit in order to make the most of several light weapons? We already had the immensley popular black eagle suits. So the precedent was set. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
218
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:32:00 -
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Im always pushing scout threads , 1.1 hurt at first but then I got really good in it, then 1.2 an they really fubared it bad this time with stamina nerfs an giving everyone equal strafe speeds, an now any suit in the game can run just as fast wit a basic suit with more hp than a scouts proto! Frigging garbage!
All I've heard honestly is ccp say there noticing our numbers dropping an there gonna give us some love ONE DAY! A pretty much they've dodged every thread cuz I don't thing they have a damn clue how bad they beat the s/-//% out of it an all the weapons we use.
Sure it's easy to say a shotgun works fine when you got 600 hp with catylisers doing 9.6 an not giving a damn if you get shot in ur cal logi, they gotta try it wit 250 hp then tell me the guns fine. But to answer your question NO NOT REALLY |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
313
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:35:00 -
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Militia scout suits and militia shotguns are SO cheap.
They're incredibly good for the cost as well. Throw a few decent modules on there (like equally cheap Kin/Cats) and you've got a great non-logi/non-assault fit.
--- Remember: IamI3rian told ya. The Drippings WILL pay. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
272
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:36:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Scouts are all but pointless until we can get some useful specialisation bonuses. Light frames should have been given the 2light weapon specialisation IMO.
Which headcase came up with the idea of making someone go through a heavy dropsuit in order to make the most of several light weapons? We already had the immensley popular black eagle suits. So the precedent was set.
Good point the duel wield light weapon would have been far more sexy on the scout. |
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
875
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:42:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Scouts are all but pointless until we can get some useful specialisation bonuses. Light frames should have been given the 2light weapon specialisation IMO.
Which headcase came up with the idea of making someone go through a heavy dropsuit in order to make the most of several light weapons? We already had the immensley popular black eagle suits. So the precedent was set. Good point the duel wield light weapon would have been far more sexy on the scout.
Gallente light with assault rifle & shotgun. Ultimate badass fitting. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
397
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:20:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:With uprising, scout took a nose dive off the high dive into a dry pool, and things since just seem to be sliding further and further down hill...
Will scout be left out in the cold for an extended period of time?
"We are planning on giving Scout role some love in the future. We can see their performance dropping in game overall." - Cmdr Wang (July 4th)
I'm hoping CCP squeezed in a fix or two for Scouts in 1.3. Though it seems we would have heard something by now.
Time will tell. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2990
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:24:00 -
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The only thing heavies really got was a reduction in price for suits... then again every class got that.
Heavies got an HP buff, but nothing to write home about.
Scouts and heavies are a minority in DUST, so don't expect sympathy from CCP.
"YOUR CHOICE MATTERS!"
I didn't choose to get screwed though CCP. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
218
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Posted - 2013.07.23 23:53:00 -
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Totally, instead of getting a proto scout I should have maxed my core skills an just got bpo s of different suits |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
465
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Posted - 2013.07.24 00:27:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Scouts are all but pointless until we can get some useful specialisation bonuses. Light frames should have been given the 2light weapon specialisation IMO.
Which headcase came up with the idea of making someone go through a heavy dropsuit in order to make the most of several light weapons? We already had the immensley popular black eagle suits. So the precedent was set. This so hard.
Primary purpose of the heavy dropsuits? Access to special weapons in the heavy category. Let's make a heavy suit which then foregoes them!
A light suit would make so much more sense for the commando role. Has the speed to move to either weapon's optimal engagement position rapidly and respond fast to battlefield conditions. Balanced by it's innately vulnerability. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6467
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Posted - 2013.07.24 00:31:00 -
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As a heavy with a breach forge gun, I won a boxing contest with a heavy suit using an HMG, I didn't expect to win at all. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
858
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Posted - 2013.07.24 00:57:00 -
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No. Come back to us when the Scout has been forgotten for a year plzkthnxbai |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
883
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:51:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Scouts are all but pointless until we can get some useful specialisation bonuses. Light frames should have been given the 2light weapon specialisation IMO.
Which headcase came up with the idea of making someone go through a heavy dropsuit in order to make the most of several light weapons? We already had the immensley popular black eagle suits. So the precedent was set. This so hard. Primary purpose of the heavy dropsuits? Access to special weapons in the heavy category. Let's make a heavy suit which then foregoes them! A light suit would make so much more sense for the commando role. Has the speed to move to either weapon's optimal engagement position rapidly and respond fast to battlefield conditions. Balanced by it's innate vulnerability.
You just wrote in far clearer terms exactly what I wanted to say about a 2Lweapon light frame.
I have always preferred being in the right place, at the right time, with low HP, than being a behemoth with either nobody, or everybody, to shoot.
Being able to dictate the range & terrain you fight your opponent on is just so damn appealing for light frames. Give them 2 light weapons and the fun only increases. And since they're lights, nobody's going to complain that they're OP either. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3015
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:54:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:As a heavy with a breach forge gun, I won a boxing contest with a heavy suit using an HMG, I didn't expect to win at all.
lolHMG |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
277
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Posted - 2013.07.24 02:13:00 -
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Are scouts really that bad? Earlier today, I hopped onto my brothers sniper account and created an SMG Minmi with a basic light ADV frame and an Ishukone. Needless to say, I did well with an uplink combo and went 13-3 with 1600 WP by the time the match ended.
I admit that getting shot at really made a dent into my total HP, but with a run and gun approach, the suit held its own. I didn't mind doing a little trickle damage here and there, as the shots later led to assists, but flanking the enemy to lay down a few shots and quickly retreating was rather intriguing.
Compared to my Heavy, I actually had fun and I didn't have to rely too much on a group of blueberries to be effective. Sneaking around to destroy uplinks and hack CRUs and Supply Depots also made me think I was being an asset to the team. It felt great. |
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
400
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Posted - 2013.07.24 13:23:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Are scouts really that bad? I went 13-3. Hi Shanks, The Scout Registry tracks the statistics of 137 known Uprising Scouts. You can check it out here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=985928#post985928
In response to your question (are scouts really that bad?), consider the following:
- Most Scouts have seen their KDR decline since Uprising 1.2.
- Over 80% of Scouts now have a KDR under 3.0.
- Around 93% of Scouts now have a KDR under the 4.33 (the figure you reported above).
If such stellar performances were the norm, we'd see lots and lots screaming and crying from AR-514 in these fine forums. Anxiously awaiting the Return of Tears. Soon?
Hadouken blast for Scouts in 1.4?
- Shotty GoBang |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
749
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Posted - 2013.07.24 13:36:00 -
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you meant Speed tanking is the new OP role... right ?
You thread tittle is a bit misleading ... |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
288
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Posted - 2013.07.24 13:39:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:you meant Speed tanking is the new OP role... right ? You thread tittle is a bit misleading ...
I wanted it to throw people for a loop. |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
213
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Posted - 2013.07.24 13:43:00 -
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Heavies are still the Heavies. Scouts are now Scouts. Both are now LOL suits. Saying Scouts are the new Heavies implies that Heavies stopped being gimped - which they have not.
Someone should start a petition to rename Dust 514 to Medium Suit 514. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
749
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Posted - 2013.07.24 13:45:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:you meant Speed tanking is the new OP role... right ? You thread tittle is a bit misleading ... I wanted it to throw people for a loop.
I actually shock that no one is exploiting this yet... Specially with the Minmatar suit. With the rubbish aiming we have right now, you will think it will be more people trying this... |
Decasor
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.07.24 14:04:00 -
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Scouts can be incredibly fun in the right place.
Just played a shotty scout for my last match, after an evening of frustration with a sniper.
10-1 in the enclosed area against assault suits, beautiful. Difficult to replicate regularly, mostly i'm happy to break even with a shotty, but then 600isk price has its upsides, given how much trouble a single suicidal shotgun scout can cause |
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