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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:14:00 -
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I skilled 1 level into lasers. I for one went 20/3, nothing impressive against newbs but I at least made some newberries think the laser is OP and now they'll use it! ![Twisted](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png)
Also I realized that the only buff the laser needs are 1) the old iron sights were perfect 2) faster tracking speed while ADS (like before) 3) maybe 1 or 0.5 more points of damage per level
Trust me go make an alt go lvl 1 in lasers and see the sweet truth!
I forgot to say that the lazor is really fun. |
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Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:21:00 -
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You realize that the Academy by now have mostly "Bots", right ?... Yeah... I know what you doing CCP. |
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:24:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:You realize that the Academy by now have mostly "Bots", right ?... Yeah... I know what you doing CCP. Why would it have bots? |
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I-Shayz-I
Not Guilty EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:24:00 -
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I went into the battle academy with a minmatar light suit and all militia items and went 43/9 with a shotgun and an SMG.
Pretty sure if you use anything besides the standard fits, and you actually know how to play this game, any weapon can feel super effective.
The second I started playing regular matches, I was faced against players that had so much more health than me I couldn't stand a chance. The problem with the laser's damage is that it takes half a clip to actually start doing damage to armor, yet the second you stop firing, the damage is gone.
If I were to have it my way, I'd make the laser do more damage the closer it is to overheating. That way, it becomes a skill weapon like the scrambler rifle, instead of just a "hope I can keep the beam on him long enough to actually be lethal" weapon. |
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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:28:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:You realize that the Academy by now have mostly "Bots", right ?... Yeah... I know what you doing CCP. Why would it have bots?
You honestly think that everyone in the Academy sucks, except you ? That you can go 40-0 in the Academy, and then 8-8 in the Instant battles ?
Bots have been used in Gaming for AGES... and they are not hard to implement. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:30:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I went into the battle academy with a minmatar light suit and all militia items and went 43/9 with a shotgun and an SMG.
Pretty sure if you use anything besides the standard fits, and you actually know how to play this game, any weapon can feel super effective.
The second I started playing regular matches, I was faced against players that had so much more health than me I couldn't stand a chance. The problem with the laser's damage is that it takes half a clip to actually start doing damage to armor, yet the second you stop firing, the damage is gone.
If I were to have it my way, I'd make the laser do more damage the closer it is to overheating. That way, it becomes a skill weapon like the scrambler rifle, instead of just a "hope I can keep the beam on him long enough to actually be lethal" weapon. It does deal damage closer to overheating, but it's not as drastic is it was in Chrome. The only way you can really get the most out of your clip is to preheat. |
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I-Shayz-I
Not Guilty EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:39:00 -
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I meant that if your gun is hot, it should do more damage...so if you constantly keep it up at a high temperature, the gun should keep doing lots of damage.
Instead of having it instantly revert back to barely any damage once you let go of the trigger... |
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:40:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:hackerzilla wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:You realize that the Academy by now have mostly "Bots", right ?... Yeah... I know what you doing CCP. Why would it have bots? You honestly think that everyone in the Academy sucks, except you ? That you can go 40-0 in the Academy, and then 8-8 in the Instant battles ? Bots have been used in Gaming for AGES... and they are not hard to implement. You do understand that most of the people in the battle academy are terrible because they are noobs. All players under 10,000 war points play there so all the newberries will be there and not know what to do. Also if they were bots, then their actions would look very un-human. For example if I were to see someone I would smoothly and naturally point my sights on the enemy and fire whilst doing so. An AI bot that is supposed to simulate a persons actions would have a more stiff look to it. instead of slowly aiming on someone it would swivel instantly to the target. A perfect example of where this plays out is the customizable bot on CoD private matches.
Also I wasn't bragging bout my score. And anyway I usually get at least 15 kills in instant battles ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) |
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:43:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I meant that if your gun is hot, it should do more damage...so if you constantly keep it up at a high temperature, the gun should keep doing lots of damage.
Instead of having it instantly revert back to barely any damage once you let go of the trigger... Agreed. Since the point of doing more damage over time is that it heats up. So if it was still pretty hot, then taking your finger of the trigger for a sec shouldn't matter. That would be nice if implemented. |
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:43:00 -
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Someone, make an alt with the plasma canon and go 40-0 with it in the academy. |
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:46:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Someone, make an alt with the plasma canon and go 40-0 with it in the academy. Challenge excepted :) I will record it aswell ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) |
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:51:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Someone, make an alt with the plasma canon and go 40-0 with it in the academy. Challenge excepted :) I will record it aswell ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) Lol. I can only imagine the massive amounts of newberries running into battle with PCs in hand. |
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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:52:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:hackerzilla wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:You realize that the Academy by now have mostly "Bots", right ?... Yeah... I know what you doing CCP. Why would it have bots? You honestly think that everyone in the Academy sucks, except you ? That you can go 40-0 in the Academy, and then 8-8 in the Instant battles ? Bots have been used in Gaming for AGES... and they are not hard to implement. You do understand that most of the people in the battle academy are terrible because they are noobs. All players under 10,000 war points play there so all the newberries will be there and not know what to do. Also if they were bots, then their actions would look very un-human. For example if I were to see someone I would smoothly and naturally point my sights on the enemy and fire whilst doing so. An AI bot that is supposed to simulate a persons actions would have a more stiff look to it. instead of slowly aiming on someone it would swivel instantly to the target. A perfect example of where this plays out is the customizable bot on CoD private matches. Also I wasn't bragging bout my score. And anyway I usually get at least 15 kills in instant battles ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png)
It is Elemental, My Dear Watson. Academy is always full with plenty of "new" people, yet the player base is "dropping" in weekly basics. Are you telling me that all that "new" people just "banish" after the Academy ?
The obvious is always obvious, even when is trying to don't be obvious. |
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.23 10:37:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:It is Elemental, My Dear Watson. Academy is always full with plenty of "new" people, yet the player base is "dropping" in weekly basics. Are you telling me that all that "new" people just "banish" after the Academy ?
The obvious is always obvious, even when is trying to don't be obvious. Hey Mr Tinfoil, just go to http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust and look how many accounts are created every day.
Oops. it's around 1.000 daily. Most of which try some random f2p title on their PS3, play a few matches and stop playing because they're not hooked. That's why they "banish" after leaving the academy: Most don't stay long enough to leave it. And that's how most if not all fp2 games behave.
Stop making **** up to support your preconceived notions and do some research for a change. |
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da GAND
187. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:58:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:You realize that the Academy by now have mostly "Bots", right ?... Yeah... I know what you doing CCP.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if CCP started doing this |
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Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:09:00 -
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da GAND wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:You realize that the Academy by now have mostly "Bots", right ?... Yeah... I know what you doing CCP. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if CCP started doing this Well, at least if they are that means they don't have to work too hard to figure out AI for PvE. |
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KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:13:00 -
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the laser rifle is sooo damn odd the further u get the more powerful it is I seen my HP get destroyed by it (never used it myself we need more SP per week before I can even try using it) |
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The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:14:00 -
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It would be pretty funny to have bot squads masquerading as players pub-stomping in proto suits. |
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da GAND
187. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:15:00 -
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Halador Osiris wrote:da GAND wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:You realize that the Academy by now have mostly "Bots", right ?... Yeah... I know what you doing CCP. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if CCP started doing this Well, at least if they are that means they don't have to work too hard to figure out AI for PvE.
Yes, we shall see if we get anything for 1.4 or 1.3 but we'll most likely get pve in the 1.5 or 2.0 patch. |
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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:18:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:It is Elemental, My Dear Watson. Academy is always full with plenty of "new" people, yet the player base is "dropping" in weekly basics. Are you telling me that all that "new" people just "banish" after the Academy ?
The obvious is always obvious, even when is trying to don't be obvious. Hey Mr Tinfoil, just go to http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust and look how many accounts are created every day. Oops. it's around 1.000 daily. Most of which try some random f2p title on their PS3, play a few matches and stop playing because they're not hooked. That's why they "banish" after leaving the academy: Most don't stay long enough to leave it. And that's how most if not all fp2 games behave. Stop making **** up to support your preconceived notions and do some research for a change.
Ohhh dear....you are bit naive are you ?
1,000 new players every day.. and NONE of them go pass the academy. That is 7,000 new players every week, 28,000 every month... and the player base has been steady at 5000 in peak time for nearly 2 months. |
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:33:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:"Oh my god wake up people. CCP has secretely developed an A.I. that is so good barely anyone notices it. They use it to mask dust's bad NPE instead of improving it by adding PVE because they couldn't totally do just that instead." I'll stick with bad NPE and natural player circulation as an explanation instead of a stupid and wastefull ploy with the sole intention of deceiving us.
But you can believe what you will...
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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:00:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:"Oh my god wake up people. CCP has secretely developed an A.I. that is so good barely anyone notices it. They use it to mask dust's bad NPE instead of improving it by adding PVE because they couldn't totally do just that instead." I'll stick with bad NPE and natural player circulation as an explanation instead of a stupid and wastefull ploy with the sole intention of deceiving us. But you can believe what you will...
Hey !! I didn't said that !! I know my grammar is not perfect... but that is a bit over the top for a "Correction".
Anyway... i doesn't needs to be a "sophisticated" AI for a PvP bot .. A stupid AI makes almost the perfect Bot... really. |
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Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:09:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:"Oh my god wake up people. CCP has secretely developed an A.I. that is so good barely anyone notices it. They use it to mask dust's bad NPE instead of improving it by adding PVE because they couldn't totally do just that instead." I'll stick with bad NPE and natural player circulation as an explanation instead of a stupid and wastefull ploy with the sole intention of deceiving us. But you can believe what you will... Hey !! I didn't said that !! I know my grammar is not perfect... but that is a bit over the top for a "Correction". Anyway... i doesn't needs to be a "sophisticated" AI for a PvP bot .. A stupid AI makes almost the perfect Bot... really.
OMFG CCP has started making Forum Bots!!!
ucwut1didthar?
puzzle me this... if ccp was putting bots in academy, why is oceanic academy still mostly empty?
excuse me while i go smoke some crack and some meth and a joint or two to get onto your level of thinking. |
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Muud Kipz
Elevated Technologies
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:47:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:I skilled 1 level into lasers. I for one went 20/3, nothing impressive against newbs but I at least made some newberries think the laser is OP and now they'll use it! ![Twisted](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png) Also I realized that the only buff the laser needs are 1) the old iron sights were perfect 2) faster tracking speed while ADS (like before) 3) maybe 1 or 0.5 more points of damage per level Trust me go make an alt go lvl 1 in lasers and see the sweet truth! I forgot to say that the lazor is really fun.
4. Lower its minimum range. Getting a damage penalty inside ~60+ meters is ridiculous. That's not how lasers work. |
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Provolonee
Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:01:00 -
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Muud Kipz wrote:hackerzilla wrote:I skilled 1 level into lasers. I for one went 20/3, nothing impressive against newbs but I at least made some newberries think the laser is OP and now they'll use it! ![Twisted](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png) Also I realized that the only buff the laser needs are 1) the old iron sights were perfect 2) faster tracking speed while ADS (like before) 3) maybe 1 or 0.5 more points of damage per level Trust me go make an alt go lvl 1 in lasers and see the sweet truth! I forgot to say that the lazor is really fun. 4. Lower its minimum range. Getting a damage penalty inside ~60+ meters is ridiculous. That's not how lasers work.
True that. 30-80m would make it way more usefull. Dmg is fine inside it's optimal.
And the academy is a poor metric for a weapons actual performance. I'm sure most vets could get 20kills with any gun. |
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