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Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 746	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:32:00 - [31] - Quote If most people here think there's nothing wrong with this, then why don't you ask CCP why we can't have passive skill points activated on all three characters of an accounts? Honestly if you feel like you need to create an alternate account to farm passive skill points in order to have fun and variety, then there is a deeper issue at hand with the game's core system.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5413	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:34:00 - [32] - Quote Without putting a system in place to discourage this, there are going to be a LOT of sold accounts in a year or two Like A LOT If you're new and want to compete, you best buy yourself an account. **** CCPs "policies", they're the ones that allowed it to grow into such a situation in the first place.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 746	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:37:00 - [33] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Without putting a system in place to discourage this, there are going to be a LOT of sold accounts in a year or two Like A LOT If you're new and want to compete, you best buy yourself an account. **** CCPs "policies", they're the ones that allowed it to grow into such a situation in the first place. Yet another issue. This topic actually came to mind because I was talking with a friend who liked the idea of Dust but doesn't have a PS3 and said "Well might as well let me make you an account so you can get the passive skill points started" and then it just sort of struck me as a really stupid system and of course the potential for exploit of selling accounts.
Billi Gene The Southern Legion 168	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:38:00 - [34] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I do this. You can only log on to one character at a time. It's not like you can multibox on DUST esp. if you have different skill sets. A player should be able to enjoy all the facets of the game. It takes longer to skill a particular character though. Money isn't really a problem since you'd make the same on one character as several. actually you can log into more then one character at a time, if you have more then one PS. And as a point in fact, if i had more than one PS#, i'd just afk the second thru matches ..... cwutididthar? additional information: it wasnt until sometime in chromosome that having multiple alts became an SP liability, as all characters on an account recieved the passive SP. Passive SP iirc accounts for around 20k SP/day (or there abouts). As someone with an alt account, allow me to inform you that =/= 20k SP/day is so small an income as compared to the total skill tree/s, that entering 4 full matches (also known as playing for an hour) will net you more than a days passive SP income. Skill Books cost ISK. some skill books cost 500k ISK. Using your 48 character "nightmare scenario", skilling said toons into only one of the more expensive skills would cost 24 million ISK. If someone is willing to outlay millions in order to create 48 alts (lol) then good luck to them! You really need to consider the worth of an alt. Ignoring any meta game considerations, alts are generally created to allow for specialisation. Of my many mates ingame, the one who doesn't have an alt... has over 20 million SP....his one toon is his alt in-as-much-as he has accrued a level of SP that it is now impossible for him to remain specialised. .... alts are created to enjoy content, because specialising in DUST/EvE empowers toons, to enjoy different facets of the games you need to have different toons for each facet..... unless you are one of those special breed on unhuman that has reached the +20 millions mark :)
LADY MYATO QcGOLD Astroya Conglomerate 57	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:40:00 - [35] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Without putting a system in place to discourage this, there are going to be a LOT of sold accounts in a year or two Like A LOT If you're new and want to compete, you best buy yourself an account. **** CCPs "policies", they're the ones that allowed it to grow into such a situation in the first place. Just like you can sell your character in Eve nothing new here
Vavilia Lysenko Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 185	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:40:00 - [36] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Yeah because in EVE you cant have multiple accounts or in any other games on that matter , oh wait... 1. I have an idea for you, how about you read the thread? I already discussed EVE in this. 2. Most other games don't give you passive skill points. So my brother cant have his character with active SP on his account because? See point 3 on my original post which you must of not read. so me and my three sisters, one of us will lose out?
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 449	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:41:00 - [37] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Honestly if you feel like you need to create an alternate account to farm passive skill points in order to have fun and variety, then there is a deeper issue at hand with the game's core system. This right here. Not anticipating any fix on this or even any recognition that there are issues in the foreseeable future. In the meantime the work-around to actually be able to even play the game in more than one way is multiple accounts.
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 1898	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:56:00 - [38] - Quote 4.m is not anything and those alts must be prepared to be crushed for another year or so
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 333	Posted - 2013.07.23 15:03:00 - [39] - Quote You're only gimping yourself for not creating an alt PSN account if you intend to play mutliple characters. I hate multi account farming but when compared to the effort needed to manage multiple characters on the same account, it just isnt worth it other than "convenience" and "morals". You need to buy AUR passives for alt characters just to get passives off main which is less than half the potential SP you can gain. I understand the need to combat inactive farming but they need to make multi character accounts worth it to begin with.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 872	Posted - 2013.07.23 15:16:00 - [40] - Quote When a system is this easy to abuse, CP may as well activate passive across all 3 characters, or not have 3 characters to begin with. When you consider the likelihood that boosters are the biggest moneymaker Dust has, who in their right mind would play an alt on the same account, when they could make a new account that accrues passive SP? You'd be throwing away a free bonus that exceeds even that which you can get for aurum. I appreciate CCP's desire to limit the possibility of people having access to every skill, just on different characters. It undermines their intended lifespan of skill progression. But it's just too easy to get around. So the effort is pointless.

Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood 267	Posted - 2013.07.24 10:40:00 - [41] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: This will become a non-factor when the PS4 hits. You will be required to pay the PSN+ subscription to play multiplayer games thus i dont foresee anyone willing to pay for 16 accounts. I wouldnt pay for two accounts just for DUST. PS anyone who didnt start at least 1 more account when it reset is looking a lil silly right now. EDIT: I DOnT SpelL 2 GD Sony has confirmed that they will make exceptions on the PS+ requirement for online play in the case of free to play games. They have already stated games like DCUO, Planet Side 2, and Warframe will not require PS+ to play online on PS4. +1 Thats some good info there, and i had no idea. Well i guess my arguement is now a non-factor! Farm away boys.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 765	Posted - 2013.07.24 10:45:00 - [42] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: This will become a non-factor when the PS4 hits. You will be required to pay the PSN+ subscription to play multiplayer games thus i dont foresee anyone willing to pay for 16 accounts. I wouldnt pay for two accounts just for DUST. PS anyone who didnt start at least 1 more account when it reset is looking a lil silly right now. EDIT: I DOnT SpelL 2 GD Sony has confirmed that they will make exceptions on the PS+ requirement for online play in the case of free to play games. They have already stated games like DCUO, Planet Side 2, and Warframe will not require PS+ to play online on PS4. +1 Thats some good info there, and i had no idea. Well i guess my arguement is now a non-factor! Farm away boys. It just wouldn't make sense any other way, good move on Sony's part.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 43	Posted - 2013.07.24 10:48:00 - [43] - Quote Orenji Jiji wrote: I hope your intertial damper fails. +1
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 30	Posted - 2013.07.24 11:28:00 - [44] - Quote Muud Kipz wrote: I can't believe that, with all the other pressing issues affecting this game, you choose ALTS as the one to complain on the forums about and thereby bring CCP's attention to. While your points about it potentially (correct me if any real corps are abusing this) creating an annoying side of the corp metagame are true, this simply does not matter in comparison to persistent aim/hit mechanics issues and horrific game balance problems (in part caused by the far-from-complete content). Let CCP focus on the real issues for now and come back if/when alt abuse becomes a genuine issue. Some people are just evil intended. +1 spot on


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