DUST Search - Thoughts on alternate ID passive farming

Poplo Furuya wrote:

Do you hate variety? If yes don't run multiple accounts.

I think CCP should just jump the gun and activate passive in all slots. If players can more freely switch up their game it keeps things fresher for them, makes for a less stale experience and a not so discontent player.

They still need the same core skills for each character and get locked into their specialty for the round.

Would also be a bone thrown to vehicle users. Pilots get zero crossover from their skills into other playstyles whereas infantry specs give some aptitude outside of their primary through their core and module skills. Letting them have an infantry character to make more stable ISK gains or just to take a break from vehicles would be great.

I mean, we can already do this. Why not make it more convenient, more legit? I'd say it helps all players and doesn't have any harmful ramifications at all. Maybe one could spec a character that's been left idle into a current FotM but that's it. It ain't even that big of a deal.


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Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 731	Posted - 2013.07.23 06:42:00 - [1] - Quote CCP doesn't want people creating multiple characters simply to farm the passive SP, so they limited it to only one character per account. The PlayStation 3 however allows you to create up to 16 accounts on one console. So if someone really wanted to, they could have 16 Dust 514 characters accruing passive SP at once. Considering if you made these accounts at the beginning of the open beta you'd have a bit over 4.5 million skill points, someone who did this would be able to skill into a wide assortment of skills with minimal effort required. Yes I know you can do this in EVE, but that would require paying for a subscription for each one so it is a bit different. So my question is what are your thoughts on this? Personally I do not do this, but I am sure there are many people out there that do. Is it a valid strategy, or should something be done to prevent it? My stance in on the latter, but feel free to disagree. Given my stance, here are some things I think an be done, 1. Check all Dust 514 character and any that have X amount of skill points with under Y amount of war points or Z amount of play time should get wiped. 2. If a Dust 514 character has been inactive (less than A amount of war points in B amount of time) turn off passive skill points. 3. Perhaps a way to limit how many times the Dust 514 license can be given out per PlayStation 3 console, perhaps making it 2 or 3 since we don't want to discount the fact that some people do share their console with family and friends. So there's my thoughts, again feel free to disagree if you do.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 731	Posted - 2013.07.23 07:24:00 - [2] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Do you hate variety? If yes don't run multiple accounts. I think CCP should just jump the gun and activate passive in all slots. If players can more freely switch up their game it keeps things fresher for them, makes for a less stale experience and a not so discontent player. They still need the same core skills for each character and get locked into their specialty for the round. Would also be a bone thrown to vehicle users. Pilots get zero crossover from their skills into other playstyles whereas infantry specs give some aptitude outside of their primary through their core and module skills. Letting them have an infantry character to make more stable ISK gains or just to take a break from vehicles would be great. I mean, we can already do this. Why not make it more convenient, more legit? I'd say it helps all players and doesn't have any harmful ramifications at all. Maybe one could spec a character that's been left idle into a current FotM but that's it. It ain't even that big of a deal. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if the 3 characters we have per account could all have passive SP, but then you open up the door for all the alternate ID passive farmers to have a whopping 48 - FORTY-EIGHT - characters with passive SP. That's a bit ridiculous. Honestly I wish there was a way to allow us to have passive SP for the 3 characters on our account while not allowing this alternate ID farming.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 732	Posted - 2013.07.23 11:04:00 - [3] - Quote Cosgar wrote: So you basically want to add a DRM policy to a F2P game? I see what you mean but that's not what I meant. All I'm saying is it is a bit ridiculous that people are able to create a dozen alternate accounts to get passive skill points and have everything unlocked for them. I don't want there to be anything blocking someone from playing, but think of all the negatives something like this adds 1. Some skills become pointless, like the Corporations skills. Why spend your skill points on it when you can make a dummy account to accrue all the points for corporations? 2. Vehicles, why skill into them? Why not just have an alt accrue skill points to get them and call them in for everyone in your corp? With the 4.5 million skill points you could of gained from passive alone you can already make some pretty good vehicle fits. 3. Corporations could easily revert to having everyone create a bunch of dummy accounts to fill whatever roles they need that they don't have anyone filling. We don't need a factor in corporation matches being who has the most dummy accounts. Vavilia Lysenko wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP doesn't want people creating multiple characters simply to farm the passive SP What exactly is wrong with having an account that is gaining passive SP? I do not understand the problem. CCP believes there is a problem with having multiple accounts accruing passive skill points. I could search done the post one of them made about not wanting Dust players creating accounts early with no intent of using them until further down the line, but all you have to do is look at the removal of passive skill points for the other two characters on your account to see that that is their view.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 732	Posted - 2013.07.23 11:06:00 - [4] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Yeah because in EVE you cant have multiple accounts or in any other games on that matter , oh wait... 1. I have an idea for you, how about you read the thread? I already discussed EVE in this. 2. Most other games don't give you passive skill points.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 737	Posted - 2013.07.23 11:48:00 - [5] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Hands down, one of the worst threads I've ever read here I was going to post something similar.....instead I'll quote yours. May I ask how many alts you have, and how frequently you play them? I'm just curious if you guys have legit uses for this or are just trying to take advantage of the system. I'm all ears for any arguments you may have.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 739	Posted - 2013.07.23 13:34:00 - [6] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: This will become a non-factor when the PS4 hits. You will be required to pay the PSN+ subscription to play multiplayer games thus i dont foresee anyone willing to pay for 16 accounts. I wouldnt pay for two accounts just for DUST. PS anyone who didnt start at least 1 more account when it reset is looking a lil silly right now. EDIT: I DOnT SpelL 2 GD Sony has confirmed that they will make exceptions on the PS+ requirement for online play in the case of free to play games. They have already stated games like DCUO, Planet Side 2, and Warframe will not require PS+ to play online on PS4.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 740	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:02:00 - [7] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Yeah because in EVE you cant have multiple accounts or in any other games on that matter , oh wait... 1. I have an idea for you, how about you read the thread? I already discussed EVE in this. 2. Most other games don't give you passive skill points. So my brother cant have his character with active SP on his account because? See point 3 on my original post which you must of not read.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 742	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:12:00 - [8] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Yeah because in EVE you cant have multiple accounts or in any other games on that matter , oh wait... 1. I have an idea for you, how about you read the thread? I already discussed EVE in this. 2. Most other games don't give you passive skill points. So my brother cant have his character with active SP on his account because? See point 3 on my original post which you must of not read. what is the point of this thread ? what do you want? how are you affected by ppl having multiple accounts? how am i affected by ppl having multiple accounts? Already discussed in this thread. It'd help if you read before posting.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 746	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:29:00 - [9] - Quote Muud Kipz wrote: I can't believe that, with all the other pressing issues affecting this game, you choose ALTS as the one to complain on the forums about and thereby bring CCP's attention to. While your points about it potentially (correct me if any real corps are abusing this) creating an annoying side of the corp metagame are true, this simply does not matter in comparison to persistent aim/hit mechanics issues and horrific game balance problems (in part caused by the far-from-complete content). Let CCP focus on the real issues for now and come back if/when alt abuse becomes a genuine issue. I'm not choosing to complain about one thing over another, I'm simply pointing out something I believe to be an issue. It's not like we can only choose one thing to discuss, and it doesn't matter how many issues there are and how big an issue they are - every issue should be discussed even if it is not near the top of the priority list of things to fix.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 746	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:32:00 - [10] - Quote If most people here think there's nothing wrong with this, then why don't you ask CCP why we can't have passive skill points activated on all three characters of an accounts? Honestly if you feel like you need to create an alternate account to farm passive skill points in order to have fun and variety, then there is a deeper issue at hand with the game's core system.

Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 746	Posted - 2013.07.23 14:37:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Without putting a system in place to discourage this, there are going to be a LOT of sold accounts in a year or two Like A LOT If you're new and want to compete, you best buy yourself an account. **** CCPs "policies", they're the ones that allowed it to grow into such a situation in the first place. Yet another issue. This topic actually came to mind because I was talking with a friend who liked the idea of Dust but doesn't have a PS3 and said "Well might as well let me make you an account so you can get the passive skill points started" and then it just sort of struck me as a really stupid system and of course the potential for exploit of selling accounts.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 765	Posted - 2013.07.24 10:45:00 - [12] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Guinevere Bravo wrote: This will become a non-factor when the PS4 hits. You will be required to pay the PSN+ subscription to play multiplayer games thus i dont foresee anyone willing to pay for 16 accounts. I wouldnt pay for two accounts just for DUST. PS anyone who didnt start at least 1 more account when it reset is looking a lil silly right now. EDIT: I DOnT SpelL 2 GD Sony has confirmed that they will make exceptions on the PS+ requirement for online play in the case of free to play games. They have already stated games like DCUO, Planet Side 2, and Warframe will not require PS+ to play online on PS4. +1 Thats some good info there, and i had no idea. Well i guess my arguement is now a non-factor! Farm away boys. It just wouldn't make sense any other way, good move on Sony's part.