DUST Search - Should everyone start from scratch on the PS4 release.

2100 Angels wrote:

If I recall correctly, the last reset was done at the beginning of open beta, so everyone has had every opportunity to be able to accrue the same amount of SP as everyone else. 'beta' testers are at no more advantage other than that they knew about the game earlier, which could be said for anybody already here before any new players start playing. Following from this, it seems that there is no benefit to a complete wipe, other than it would put current new players on the same level SP-wise as everyone else currently playing. 6 months down the track we will face exactly the same problem, so would you argue for a reset then as well? I don't see how a reset now will make anybody better off.

This is the same issue faced by players in EVE, due to the structure of the SP system. Every EVE player knows however, that SP is not the be-all and end-all in winning a fight; sure it has importance, but only to a limited extent. Once a player has specialised in one role, they will be competitive, which is why this is the suggested method of spending SP, as opposed to becoming a "jack-of-all-trades" right off the bat. The only added bonus of SP after this initial specialisation is the ability to difersify and become effective in other roles as subject to the playing preferences of the player.

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Kalisi Marada Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:32:00 - [1] - Quote How would you feel if everybody started over on the ps4 release.? All the beta testers would have the experience but not the millions of SP and ISK. Everyone would start on a level playing field.
KingBabar Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 922	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:35:00 - [2] - Quote Starting over again from scratch 4 times was enough, another wipe and I'm off. I'm not gonna grind another 20 M+ skillpoints to almost max out one role...
Heavy Breaks Red Star. EoN. 111	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:39:00 - [3] - Quote As much as I hate to admit it, I think this will be the only way dust will have any longevity. Too many players are leaving and new players aren't getting the chance to catch up (SP cap). Maybe a code for PS3 dusters that allows us to start with more SP & isk than fresh PS4 players? Bring on the GTFO trolls.
Khal V'Rani Nephilim Initiative 188	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:42:00 - [4] - Quote With all due respect Kalisi, no.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 195	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:42:00 - [5] - Quote I'll say it, sure. Once the game came 'officially out of beta', i invested in boosters. If they wipe my progress if/when they move to PS4 yea, i'd be out. To say i'd be a dissatisfied customer would be putting it lightly, because at that point i would have literally wasted money.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 346	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:43:00 - [6] - Quote I put real money in this game .... so no.... not to mention any impact this has on eve will persist so why shouldn't our hard work....
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3895	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:43:00 - [7] - Quote Heavy Breaks wrote: As much as I hate to admit it, I think this will be the only way dust will have any longevity. Too many players are leaving and new players aren't getting the chance to catch up (SP cap). Maybe a code for PS3 dusters that allows us to start with more SP & isk than fresh PS4 players? Bring on the GTFO trolls. bad idea simply remove the cap or allow newbies to have no sp cap up to 10M SP besides not looking at a PS4 dust for some years
Your Absolut End Neanderthal Nation 130	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:44:00 - [8] - Quote tbh I think thats a bad idea. Not only because I have worked my ass off to get to 15 mil SP, but also because everytime people will start playing dust, do you want to start on point blanc every time a new person joins the game? I mean otherwise it would become unfair for the new merc again. I think you see where it's going. Open Beta was free to join for everybody, who comes late, gets paid last, thats the way it is. I had to work my way up here, and still have people with up to 6 Mil SP above me, but the longer you play, the smaller the difference in SP will get.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 237	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:45:00 - [9] - Quote 'should everyone start again on the PS4?" this guy has your answer for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o19CaOSuD8 ok on a more serious side though, still no, by then it would have been to much SP and to much AUR to logically rewind the clocks, if CCP wants its players to stay they can`t get that done to them, a respect at the most but a stats wipe, that's crazy that would loss a good chunk of people right there, followed buy the others waiting for the other F2P games on the PS4.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 291	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:46:00 - [10] - Quote Kalisi Marada wrote: How would you feel if everybody started over on the ps4 release.? All the beta testers would have the experience but not the millions of SP and ISK. Everyone would start on a level playing field. What difference would that make?

Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 291	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:49:00 - [11] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: besides not looking at a PS4 dust for some years Is this wishful thinking or do you actually have something to back up your nonsense?
Julius Vindice A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 213	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:53:00 - [12] - Quote NO RESET DANG NABIT! We worked hard to get where we are and so should the new bloods. This game ticks me off enough without people calling and begging for resets.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 346	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:54:00 - [13] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: besides not looking at a PS4 dust for some years Is this wishful thinking or do you actually have something to back up your nonsense? the devs have said this themselves........ you don't read dev blogs do you.... they aren't looking at a crossover until at least 2015.... if then....
Heavy Breaks Red Star. EoN. 111	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:55:00 - [14] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Heavy Breaks wrote: As much as I hate to admit it, I think this will be the only way dust will have any longevity. Too many players are leaving and new players aren't getting the chance to catch up (SP cap). Maybe a code for PS3 dusters that allows us to start with more SP & isk than fresh PS4 players? Bring on the GTFO trolls. bad idea simply remove the cap or allow newbies to have no sp cap up to 10M SP besides not looking at a PS4 dust for some years Dust won't last 6months past PS4 worldwide rollout if it isn't on it. As for the Aurum people have spent, meh your choice to buy it. I spent plenty but I'd still be in favour of a hard reset.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 701	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:55:00 - [15] - Quote Then 6 months after that we'd have the same problem we do now. So no.
Another Heavy SOB TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 430	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:57:00 - [16] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: besides not looking at a PS4 dust for some years Is this wishful thinking or do you actually have something to back up your nonsense? I cannot find the quote but in most recent memory CCP has stated "we do not currently have any plans for the PS4" However a CPM has stated "they will share their PS4 plans when they are ready" Besides that it doesn't take a genius to understand that porting current build code to run on PS4 hardware would be a very time intensive process. Also, if they did it Right and took the opportunity to build upon a better engine and scrap UE3 then we're looking at years, probably two minimum.
Heavy Breaks Red Star. EoN. 112	Posted - 2013.07.22 11:59:00 - [17] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Then 6 months after that we'd have the same problem we do now. So no. On PS3 broke game is broke. On PS4 people may believe it can be fixed and start playing again, on PS3 that is unlikely.
Another Heavy SOB TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 430	Posted - 2013.07.22 12:00:00 - [18] - Quote Heavy Breaks wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Heavy Breaks wrote: As much as I hate to admit it, I think this will be the only way dust will have any longevity. Too many players are leaving and new players aren't getting the chance to catch up (SP cap). Maybe a code for PS3 dusters that allows us to start with more SP & isk than fresh PS4 players? Bring on the GTFO trolls. bad idea simply remove the cap or allow newbies to have no sp cap up to 10M SP besides not looking at a PS4 dust for some years Dust won't last 6months past PS4 worldwide rollout if it isn't on it. As for the Aurum people have spent, meh your choice to buy it. I spent plenty but I'd still be in favour of a hard reset. As long as you're comfortable pissing money away, want to buy me an elite pack? Actually I don't play Dust anymore, How bout cash? I'll just take the cash and put it to my PS4.
Reaper Skordeman The Reaper Crew PMC 22	Posted - 2013.07.22 12:06:00 - [19] - Quote No, Just run a few Triple XP Weekends to let them "catch up." Yes I know it will do nothing as we will also be pushed up at same time, but it'll give them a better running start. Additionally as suggested above, give all new users no SP Cap for their first 5M or something. Or even give the new players on PS4 a slighter better Starter Kit. I don't see any reason why we should be punished. I can understand them not rewarding us as that could further the gap. But Punishing Us? No ******* way.
Heavy Breaks Red Star. EoN. 112	Posted - 2013.07.22 12:08:00 - [20] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: Heavy Breaks wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Heavy Breaks wrote: As much as I hate to admit it, I think this will be the only way dust will have any longevity. Too many players are leaving and new players aren't getting the chance to catch up (SP cap). Maybe a code for PS3 dusters that allows us to start with more SP & isk than fresh PS4 players? Bring on the GTFO trolls. bad idea simply remove the cap or allow newbies to have no sp cap up to 10M SP besides not looking at a PS4 dust for some years Dust won't last 6months past PS4 worldwide rollout if it isn't on it. As for the Aurum people have spent, meh your choice to buy it. I spent plenty but I'd still be in favour of a hard reset. As long as you're comfortable pissing money away, want to buy me an elite pack? Actually I don't play Dust anymore, How bout cash? I'll just take the cash and put it to my PS4. Meh pennies is pennies. If they decided to reimburse Aurum then cool if not also cool. If you can't afford it don't spend it. So buying a full release game is a waste? Same principal applied if I like a game I support it financially same as I do with music and movies. Capitalism is a *****.

2100 Angels The Southern Legion 196	Posted - 2013.07.22 12:54:00 - [21] - Quote If I recall correctly, the last reset was done at the beginning of open beta, so everyone has had every opportunity to be able to accrue the same amount of SP as everyone else. 'beta' testers are at no more advantage other than that they knew about the game earlier, which could be said for anybody already here before any new players start playing. Following from this, it seems that there is no benefit to a complete wipe, other than it would put current new players on the same level SP-wise as everyone else currently playing. 6 months down the track we will face exactly the same problem, so would you argue for a reset then as well? I don't see how a reset now will make anybody better off. This is the same issue faced by players in EVE, due to the structure of the SP system. Every EVE player knows however, that SP is not the be-all and end-all in winning a fight; sure it has importance, but only to a limited extent. Once a player has specialised in one role, they will be competitive, which is why this is the suggested method of spending SP, as opposed to becoming a "jack-of-all-trades" right off the bat. The only added bonus of SP after this initial specialisation is the ability to difersify and become effective in other roles as subject to the playing preferences of the player.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 184	Posted - 2013.07.22 13:00:00 - [22] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: If I recall correctly, the last reset was done at the beginning of open beta, so everyone has had every opportunity to be able to accrue the same amount of SP as everyone else. 'beta' testers are at no more advantage other than that they knew about the game earlier, which could be said for anybody already here before any new players start playing. Following from this, it seems that there is no benefit to a complete wipe, other than it would put current new players on the same level SP-wise as everyone else currently playing. 6 months down the track we will face exactly the same problem, so would you argue for a reset then as well? I don't see how a reset now will make anybody better off. This is the same issue faced by players in EVE, due to the structure of the SP system. Every EVE player knows however, that SP is not the be-all and end-all in winning a fight; sure it has importance, but only to a limited extent. Once a player has specialised in one role, they will be competitive, which is why this is the suggested method of spending SP, as opposed to becoming a "jack-of-all-trades" right off the bat. The only added bonus of SP after this initial specialisation is the ability to difersify and become effective in other roles as subject to the playing preferences of the player. I'm going to agree with you 100% because a) you're right, and b) I love the awesome sniper battles we used to have (used to because I haven't been able to play for a while - work priorities). I've been meaning to ask you, though, how awesome would it be if we had jetpacks? Jetpack sniper battle.... Yeah, I know, off topic. On the topic, I've had two different toons throughout DUST's life now, and I've never done a single reset. Why? Because the consequences of making a choice should never be reset. Simple as that imho.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion 196	Posted - 2013.07.22 13:12:00 - [23] - Quote Jaron Pollard wrote: I'm going to agree with you 100% because a) you're right, and b) I love the awesome sniper battles we used to have (used to because I haven't been able to play for a while - work priorities). I've been meaning to ask you, though, how awesome would it be if we had jetpacks? Jetpack sniper battle.... hah. with the way the sniper rifle sways when you're not crouched at the moment I have a feeling this would drive us both insane
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 229	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:21:00 - [24] - Quote I think some players fail to understand the nature of a persistent universe within a game. It is the main difference between standard shooter fare and an MMO. Resetting stats or skills will not accomplish anything. There will always be vets and new players...and there will always be skill gaps. Moving to a new console doesn't change that reality, so better to just deal with it. New players enter the game and older players stop playing or at least begin to play less. Such is the circle. Ashes to ashes and...well, you get the picture.
GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:33:00 - [25] - Quote LOL At even thinking that this game will last long enough to even make it to the PS4 first off. And LOL Well at even thinking that this game will make it period. But lets just pretend that it makes it to PS4 (LOL) and in that case, F*** No!
Bubba Rector Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 4	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:39:00 - [26] - Quote No, there should not be a reset. This is a FREE FPS and is available to everyone that has a ps3 currently. In other words, if they want to play the game, they will download it now. Owning a PS4 will change nothing. No more respecs and no more resets.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 739	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:41:00 - [27] - Quote Kalisi Marada wrote: How would you feel if everybody started over on the ps4 release.? All the beta testers would have the experience but not the millions of SP and ISK. Everyone would start on a level playing field. We only had a week or two head start on SP. There was an open beta anyone could join.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 976	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:57:00 - [28] - Quote If you restarted the SP cap folks would just end up "Getting left behind" yet again in another six months down the road. If people were not comfortable with the idea of legacy power they came to the wrong universe.


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