DUST Search - Can soneone do the math for me?

Halador Osiris wrote:

Aizen Intiki wrote:

Can someone just give me the numbers? And honestly, half of those fits don't make any sense......

If it was shield, I could spit the numbers out off the top of my head. Unfortunately, I don't know any stats on armor. I can, however, tell you how to do the math, as well as the excel formulas involved:

This section is purely how to calculate your shield resistance on your own. The fitting screen will accomplish this for you, so you can skip to the next underlined section to figure out how to calculate your eHP.

Base Resistance
Resistances are determined by your Armor Upgrades or Shield Upgrades skill. You get 2% per level, or 10% at level 5.

Module Resistances
Module resistances have a stacking penalty, meaning that each module is progressively 0.5^[((n-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] weaker than the last one. This may seem like greek, but just know that your strongest module functions at 100% efficiency, your second strongest at 87%, then 57%, 28%, 10.5%, and so on down the line.

Examples:
If you have a 15% passive shield amplifier and a 10% passive shield amplifier running, they will add up to 15% + ( 10% * .87 ), or 15% + 8.7% = 23.7%.

If you just have an active mod that gives 30% resist and 2 passive mods that give 15% resist, you will receive 30% + ( 15% * .87 ) + ( 15% * .57 ), or 30% + 13.05% + 8.55% = 51.6%

A single 15% shield amplifier = 15% (durr)

Tying Them Together
Module resistances are calculated against your native resistance, meaning that if you have 10% resistance from skills then you will only receive 100% - 10% = 90% efficiency of your shield modules. Likewise, 4% resistance from skills would give 100% - 4% = 96% efficiency to your shield modules.

Examples:
If we take our 15%+10% fit from earlier (23.7% resist) and account for 4% native resist, 23.7% * 96% = 22.752%, but lets not forget to add the native resistances on top of that. 22.752% + 4% = 26.752%.

Our dual-passive single-active fit with 51.6% resist at 10% native resistance would provide 46.4% resist + 10% = 56.4% resist

A single 15% shield amplifier at 10% base resist provides 13.5% resist, giving a total of 23.5% resist.

Figuring out your eHP
If your vehicle has 56.4% resistance, it will resist 56.4% of incoming damage (durr again). This means that a shot that would normally do 1000 damage will actually do 1000 * (1-56.4%) = 436 damage. Likewise, we can figure out that eHP * ( 1 - res ) = HP, which can be solved to eHP = 1 / ( 1 - res ).

Examples:
Sorry, I really only fly Pythons, so that's what all my examples will be.

A Python (1075 shield) with two passive 15% amplifiers and one active 30% amplifier, with level 5 of shield upgrades (10% resist) will have 1 / ( 1 - 56.4% ) = ~2.29, ~2.29 * 1075 = 2465 eHP.

A Python with 2 Azeotropic Ward Shield Extenders ( 1075 hp + 748 + 748 = 2571 shield) and 1 15% passive resist mod + level 5 shield upgrades (23.5% overall) will have 1 / ( 1 - 23.5% ) = ~1.307, 1.307 * 2571 = 3360 eHP. This is my preferred fit.

I'm at work and got lazy, so I'll stop typing now.

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Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 236	Posted - 2013.07.22 05:41:00 - [1] - Quote I can't remember the stats for it, and I'm away from home, so I need to get some stats from soneone. Whoever gets me it gets 1m ISK when I get back: Max vehicle skills Madrugar 1 120mm plate 1 light and heavy eff. Armor rep 1 cara armor hardener 1 F45 DCU I want to know my eHP, and my eHP\s with both reps on. Thx. Peace, Aizen
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 236	Posted - 2013.07.22 05:43:00 - [2] - Quote EDIT: it is a procry. Plate
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2013.07.22 06:04:00 - [3] - Quote That fit hurts my brain. 1 180 mm 2 hardeners or you will die 1 rep 1 PG upgrade Thank me later
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 236	Posted - 2013.07.22 06:24:00 - [4] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: That fit hurts my brain. 1 180 mm 2 hardeners or you will die 1 rep 1 PG upgrade Thank me later I have that fit as well. Don't really like it......
Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 357	Posted - 2013.07.22 06:44:00 - [5] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: That fit hurts my brain. 1 180 mm 2 hardeners or you will die 1 rep 1 PG upgrade Thank me later I have that fit as well. Don't really like it...... Try this one 1 Mlt caldari tank 1 Mlt Blaster 2 Mlt PGU 1 Mlt Shield boaster 1 Mlt shield extender
Xender17 Intrepidus XI EoN. 348	Posted - 2013.07.22 06:47:00 - [6] - Quote Syther Shadows wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: That fit hurts my brain. 1 180 mm 2 hardeners or you will die 1 rep 1 PG upgrade Thank me later I have that fit as well. Don't really like it...... Try this one 1 Mlt caldari tank 1 Mlt Blaster 2 Mlt PGU 1 Mlt Shield boaster 1 Mlt shield extender Your either trolling the OP to use the worst possible tank build, minus the blaster, or by some God Only Knows way you think shield tanks are good.
Epicsting pro Planetary Response Organization 32	Posted - 2013.07.22 07:22:00 - [7] - Quote Madrugar 1 shield extendar 1 shield resistance mod 2 180 armor 2 light armor rep 1 pg mod With this fit 2000 shields and 6000 armor make you a hard target for swarms, av nades, proxy mines, and even obs have trouble killing u.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 237	Posted - 2013.07.22 15:35:00 - [8] - Quote Can someone just give me the numbers? And honestly, half of those fits don't make any sense......
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 480	Posted - 2013.07.22 16:12:00 - [9] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Can someone just give me the numbers? And honestly, half of those fits don't make any sense...... If it was shield, I could spit the numbers out off the top of my head. Unfortunately, I don't know any stats on armor. I can, however, tell you how to do the math, as well as the excel formulas involved: This section is purely how to calculate your shield resistance on your own. The fitting screen will accomplish this for you, so you can skip to the next underlined section to figure out how to calculate your eHP. Base Resistance Resistances are determined by your Armor Upgrades or Shield Upgrades skill. You get 2% per level, or 10% at level 5. Module Resistances Module resistances have a stacking penalty, meaning that each module is progressively 0.5^[((n-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] weaker than the last one. This may seem like greek, but just know that your strongest module functions at 100% efficiency, your second strongest at 87%, then 57%, 28%, 10.5%, and so on down the line. Examples: If you have a 15% passive shield amplifier and a 10% passive shield amplifier running, they will add up to 15% + ( 10% * .87 ), or 15% + 8.7% = 23.7%. If you just have an active mod that gives 30% resist and 2 passive mods that give 15% resist, you will receive 30% + ( 15% * .87 ) + ( 15% * .57 ), or 30% + 13.05% + 8.55% = 51.6% A single 15% shield amplifier = 15% (durr) Tying Them Together Module resistances are calculated against your native resistance, meaning that if you have 10% resistance from skills then you will only receive 100% - 10% = 90% efficiency of your shield modules. Likewise, 4% resistance from skills would give 100% - 4% = 96% efficiency to your shield modules. Examples: If we take our 15%+10% fit from earlier (23.7% resist) and account for 4% native resist, 23.7% * 96% = 22.752%, but lets not forget to add the native resistances on top of that. 22.752% + 4% = 26.752%. Our dual-passive single-active fit with 51.6% resist at 10% native resistance would provide 46.4% resist + 10% = 56.4% resist A single 15% shield amplifier at 10% base resist provides 13.5% resist, giving a total of 23.5% resist. Figuring out your eHP If your vehicle has 56.4% resistance, it will resist 56.4% of incoming damage (durr again). This means that a shot that would normally do 1000 damage will actually do 1000 * (1-56.4%) = 436 damage. Likewise, we can figure out that eHP * ( 1 - res ) = HP, which can be solved to eHP = 1 / ( 1 - res ). Examples: Sorry, I really only fly Pythons, so that's what all my examples will be. A Python (1075 shield) with two passive 15% amplifiers and one active 30% amplifier, with level 5 of shield upgrades (10% resist) will have 1 / ( 1 - 56.4% ) = ~2.29, ~2.29 * 1075 = 2465 eHP. A Python with 2 Azeotropic Ward Shield Extenders ( 1075 hp + 748 + 748 = 2571 shield) and 1 15% passive resist mod + level 5 shield upgrades (23.5% overall) will have 1 / ( 1 - 23.5% ) = ~1.307, 1.307 * 2571 = 3360 eHP. This is my preferred fit. I'm at work and got lazy, so I'll stop typing now.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 237	Posted - 2013.07.22 16:21:00 - [10] - Quote Halador Osiris wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Can someone just give me the numbers? And honestly, half of those fits don't make any sense...... If it was shield, I could spit the numbers out off the top of my head. Unfortunately, I don't know any stats on armor. I can, however, tell you how to do the math, as well as the excel formulas involved: This section is purely how to calculate your shield resistance on your own. The fitting screen will accomplish this for you, so you can skip to the next underlined section to figure out how to calculate your eHP. Base Resistance Resistances are determined by your Armor Upgrades or Shield Upgrades skill. You get 2% per level, or 10% at level 5. Module Resistances Module resistances have a stacking penalty, meaning that each module is progressively 0.5^[((n-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] weaker than the last one. This may seem like greek, but just know that your strongest module functions at 100% efficiency, your second strongest at 87%, then 57%, 28%, 10.5%, and so on down the line. Examples: If you have a 15% passive shield amplifier and a 10% passive shield amplifier running, they will add up to 15% + ( 10% * .87 ), or 15% + 8.7% = 23.7%. If you just have an active mod that gives 30% resist and 2 passive mods that give 15% resist, you will receive 30% + ( 15% * .87 ) + ( 15% * .57 ), or 30% + 13.05% + 8.55% = 51.6% A single 15% shield amplifier = 15% (durr) Tying Them Together Module resistances are calculated against your native resistance, meaning that if you have 10% resistance from skills then you will only receive 100% - 10% = 90% efficiency of your shield modules. Likewise, 4% resistance from skills would give 100% - 4% = 96% efficiency to your shield modules. Examples: If we take our 15%+10% fit from earlier (23.7% resist) and account for 4% native resist, 23.7% * 96% = 22.752%, but lets not forget to add the native resistances on top of that. 22.752% + 4% = 26.752%. Our dual-passive single-active fit with 51.6% resist at 10% native resistance would provide 46.4% resist + 10% = 56.4% resist A single 15% shield amplifier at 10% base resist provides 13.5% resist, giving a total of 23.5% resist. Figuring out your eHP If your vehicle has 56.4% resistance, it will resist 56.4% of incoming damage (durr again). This means that a shot that would normally do 1000 damage will actually do 1000 * (1-56.4%) = 436 damage. Likewise, we can figure out that eHP * ( 1 - res ) = HP, which can be solved to eHP = 1 / ( 1 - res ). Examples: Sorry, I really only fly Pythons, so that's what all my examples will be. A Python (1075 shield) with two passive 15% amplifiers and one active 30% amplifier, with level 5 of shield upgrades (10% resist) will have 1 / ( 1 - 56.4% ) = ~2.29, ~2.29 * 1075 = 2465 eHP. A Python with 2 Azeotropic Ward Shield Extenders ( 1075 hp + 748 + 748 = 2571 shield) and 1 15% passive resist mod + level 5 shield upgrades (23.5% overall) will have 1 / ( 1 - 23.5% ) = ~1.307, 1.307 * 2571 = 3360 eHP. This is my preferred fit. I'm at work and got lazy, so I'll stop typing now. Well, I know how to caculate it, but I don't have the exact numbers either. I guess we're on the same page.....



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