DUST Search - Announcing the First CPM AMA

Nova Knife wrote:

Killar-12 wrote:

They can't survive an event like that, but it still is a card the community has in it's deck that we could threaten to use.

We really don't. Threats to boycott/mass quit generally don't do anything. A mass 'protest' isn't really possible within the limits of dust gameplay, either. Besides, it's too easy (and common) for incarna to be brought up regarding any negative criticism to CCP. Like with any sharp object.. the more you use it, it becomes dull and ineffective.

I honestly doubt the word 'incarna' makes CCP flinch nearly as much as the players who try to turn it into a spearhead for their 'cause' would like them to anymore. They've heard it so many times now that I'd be desensitized to it too.

While 'mass quits' generally negatively effect any game... If anyone honestly doesn't enjoy dust.. Threatening to leave is basically just a childish justification to themselves to stop playing, in most cases. People who quit without saying anything generally make more of an impact, because these are the people who probably aren't going to come back unless word of mouth spreads to them that things are a lot better (Which has been a norm for Eve throughout the years)

There's much better and more effective ways to get CCP's attention than by stomping our feet as a community and threatening to take our ball home :P

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Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1185	Posted - 2013.07.22 04:03:00 - [1] - Quote Greetings, spacefriends~ On this coming Tuesday (the 24th) at 18:00 UTC (The time on the bottom left in your Neocom) I'll be hosting an Ask-Me-Anything event for a couple hours. During this time, Eve Online and Dust514 players can join the channel "CPM-AMA" and post questions and topics of any nature, and I'll do my best to cover as much as I can, within the bounds of our dreaded NDA and the limits of good taste! This event is so far just myself, though other CPM members may grace us with their presence if their own schedules permit it! Though, this could be the first of what I hope will become a generalized way for the community to keep in touch with the CPM as a whole on a semi-regular basis, on a more personal scale. See you guys then!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6378	Posted - 2013.07.22 04:16:00 - [2] - Quote Unless asked directly and if I am there, I'll try to remain quiet so I can jot down notes and the sorts.
Kain Spero Spero Escrow Services 1846	Posted - 2013.07.22 04:25:00 - [3] - Quote Looking forward to it.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1193	Posted - 2013.07.22 23:42:00 - [4] - Quote Well, poop. Just had some family stuff get rescheduled to tomorrow, so I'm going to need to push this to the Wednesday, as I won't be home due to being drunk elsewhere at a barbeque! Same time, Wednesday the 24th!
Killar-12 Intrepidus XI EoN. 299	Posted - 2013.07.23 20:47:00 - [5] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Greetings, spacefriends~ On this coming Wednesday (the 24th) at 18:00 UTC (The time on the bottom left in your Neocom) I'll be hosting an Ask-Me-Anything event for a couple hours. During this time, Eve Online and Dust514 players can join the channel "CPM-AMA" and post questions and topics of any nature, and I'll do my best to cover as much as I can, within the bounds of our dreaded NDA and the limits of good taste! This event is so far just myself, though other CPM members may grace us with their presence if their own schedules permit it! Though, this could be the first of what I hope will become a generalized way for the community to keep in touch with the CPM as a whole on a semi-regular basis, on a more personal scale. See you guys then! Nice well you should say something in general Discussions to let everyone know, or in Announcements
Beren Hurin K-A-O-S theory 811	Posted - 2013.07.24 16:39:00 - [6] - Quote 2:00 PM EST
Beren Hurin K-A-O-S theory 811	Posted - 2013.07.24 16:40:00 - [7] - Quote Wait. This is in a game channel? Is it going to be recorded?
Beren Hurin K-A-O-S theory 811	Posted - 2013.07.24 17:20:00 - [8] - Quote maybe twitch.tv livestream it for those who can't be online...dunno how interesting it will be to listen.
Jungian Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 98	Posted - 2013.07.24 18:25:00 - [9] - Quote http://www.twitch.tv/rnd_jungian Glad to be of some use. When its done I'll edit the broadcast and upload the entire segment to youtube.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6492	Posted - 2013.07.24 21:36:00 - [10] - Quote Thanks for all those that showed up, wow 3 hours... anyways Ill work on an AMA summary for the forums to digest and consume.

Absolute Idiom II Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 269	Posted - 2013.07.24 21:46:00 - [11] - Quote Thanks for your candidness guys, I appreciate the work and effort that you are putting in. After chatting to you I'm a lot more convinced that you are doing and saying the right things, but CCP is not ready/able to actually yet fully embrace either you, the community or the communication changes required. Worryingly, Dust is not able to survive a Jita Protest level event which lead to the sea change for EVE between CCP and CSM. I'm be interested to know how we as a whole can support your efforts - by bringing the numbers/loud voices/intelligent scrutiny/pitchfork where they can be leveraged the most. Finally, I really got a feel that you are all intelligent, thoughtful, balanced people who have a passion for the game and want it to succeed. Congrats on making it to CPM and continue the great work.
Killar-12 Intrepidus XI EoN. 317	Posted - 2013.07.24 22:01:00 - [12] - Quote Absolute Idiom II wrote: Thanks for your candidness guys, I appreciate the work and effort that you are putting in. After chatting to you I'm a lot more convinced that you are doing and saying the right things, but CCP is not ready/able to actually yet fully embrace either you, the community or the communication changes required. Worryingly, Dust is not able to survive a Jita Protest level event which lead to the sea change for EVE between CCP and CSM. I'm be interested to know how we as a whole can support your efforts - by bringing the numbers/loud voices/intelligent scrutiny/pitchfork where they can be leveraged the most. Finally, I really got a feel that you are all intelligent, thoughtful, balanced people who have a passion for the game and want it to succeed. Congrats on making it to CPM and continue the great work. They can't survive an event like that, but it still is a card the community has in it's deck that we could threaten to use.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 563	Posted - 2013.07.24 23:00:00 - [13] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Absolute Idiom II wrote: Thanks for your candidness guys, I appreciate the work and effort that you are putting in. After chatting to you I'm a lot more convinced that you are doing and saying the right things, but CCP is not ready/able to actually yet fully embrace either you, the community or the communication changes required. Worryingly, Dust is not able to survive a Jita Protest level event which lead to the sea change for EVE between CCP and CSM. I'm be interested to know how we as a whole can support your efforts - by bringing the numbers/loud voices/intelligent scrutiny/pitchfork where they can be leveraged the most. Finally, I really got a feel that you are all intelligent, thoughtful, balanced people who have a passion for the game and want it to succeed. Congrats on making it to CPM and continue the great work. They can't survive an event like that, but it still is a card the community has in it's deck that we could threaten to use. It's a useless one, tbh. First of all, the Jita protest incident has been propagandized down into a "throw riot, get what we want" meme that isn't even reflective of the full story to begin with - and there's far MORE historical examples of riots that have backfired rather than gotten real results. The bottom line is that CCP isn't stonewalling the CPM - there's just no hard wall to place a lever against. The truth of the matter is that we've seen steady progress since we began this experiment, we're just also being frank about the fact we haven't reached our final destination yet. Rioting to a CCP that is in a state of self-reflective flux to begin with and who is showing real signs of change and opening up to the community (however slowly) isn't going to accomplish a damn thing except make us all look childish and impatient. The solution here is to steadily keep pressure on upper management about the communication issue in our regular meetings and continue to brainstorm and problem solve ways we can assist them with the development process. We're getting there guys - if you walked away from the AMA feeling like the situation is hopeless than we didn't do our best to accurately reflect the situation. TL,DR: You don't go to war with CCP when the community and CCP are pursuing the same goals currently, in tandem. You go to war when CCP is burying its head in the sand - and that's not what we're seeing either. We'll continue to be honest about the things that still need to happen - but dropping a bomb on CCP when they're in the middle of trying to put a better foot forward won't accomplish a damn thing, It'll only setback progress further.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1213	Posted - 2013.07.24 23:02:00 - [14] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: They can't survive an event like that, but it still is a card the community has in it's deck that we could threaten to use. We really don't. Threats to boycott/mass quit generally don't do anything. A mass 'protest' isn't really possible within the limits of dust gameplay, either. Besides, it's too easy (and common) for incarna to be brought up regarding any negative criticism to CCP. Like with any sharp object.. the more you use it, it becomes dull and ineffective. I honestly doubt the word 'incarna' makes CCP flinch nearly as much as the players who try to turn it into a spearhead for their 'cause' would like them to anymore. They've heard it so many times now that I'd be desensitized to it too. While 'mass quits' generally negatively effect any game... If anyone honestly doesn't enjoy dust.. Threatening to leave is basically just a childish justification to themselves to stop playing, in most cases. People who quit without saying anything generally make more of an impact, because these are the people who probably aren't going to come back unless word of mouth spreads to them that things are a lot better (Which has been a norm for Eve throughout the years) There's much better and more effective ways to get CCP's attention than by stomping our feet as a community and threatening to take our ball home :P
Killar-12 Intrepidus XI EoN. 320	Posted - 2013.07.24 23:08:00 - [15] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Killar-12 wrote: They can't survive an event like that, but it still is a card the community has in it's deck that we could threaten to use. We really don't. Threats to boycott/mass quit generally don't do anything. A mass 'protest' isn't really possible within the limits of dust gameplay, either. Besides, it's too easy (and common) for incarna to be brought up regarding any negative criticism to CCP. Like with any sharp object.. the more you use it, it becomes dull and ineffective. I honestly doubt the word 'incarna' makes CCP flinch nearly as much as the players who try to turn it into a spearhead for their 'cause' would like them to anymore. They've heard it so many times now that I'd be desensitized to it too. While 'mass quits' generally negatively effect any game... If anyone honestly doesn't enjoy dust.. Threatening to leave is basically just a childish justification to themselves to stop playing, in most cases. People who quit without saying anything generally make more of an impact, because these are the people who probably aren't going to come back unless word of mouth spreads to them that things are a lot better (Which has been a norm for Eve throughout the years) There's much better and more effective ways to get CCP's attention than by stomping our feet as a community and threatening to take our ball home :P Good Point. I really shouldn't say they as it leaves it open to interpretation in they I mean the playerbase. I dont think thae playerbase could organize or hold together like in EVE.
Jungian Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 98	Posted - 2013.07.25 02:05:00 - [16] - Quote Upped. http://www.twitch.tv/rnd_jungian/c/2629868
2-Ton Twenty-One Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 850	Posted - 2013.07.25 02:23:00 - [17] - Quote Any word on a test server?


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