DUST Search - MILITIA Soma SURVIVES versus prototype AV grenades Lai Day......why???????

BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:

no tank driver believes u right now. unless ur not telling us something. such as did he see u? did he have time to turn on his hardeners? Did he have time to turn on his rep before u threw the nades? if so i would believe it. but him not seeing u and then throwing 3 nades at him and not killing him is pretty unrealistic.

I was hiding in a container so unless the soma driver had a crystall ball theres no way he knew I was there.

the soma had no reps running.

the point is I keep hearing about how easy it is to kill a MADRUGAR with AV grenades Lai Day.

so a MILITIA Soma is no contest right??

anyone want to try some tests on oceania server with militia tanks??

well how much total armor did the tank have. the nade does over 2k damage to armor per nade so if his shields were up absorbing most of the first nade. lets say it's a 5.5k armor maddy and the first nade dropped it 500 armor u would have brought it down 2 1k armor or less. Assuming this was a well build tank. tht is enough for any av to destroy him. so in other words u were relying on nades and had no other source of AV. meaning u are an AR scrub looking to kill tanks with 3 nades.

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Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 619	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:04:00 - [1] - Quote oceania server domination I on my team and killbot stu on enemy team . killbot stu brings in MILITIA Soma I tossed three prototype AV grenades Lai Day and tank is damaged but drives off to rep lol I try again by tossing to tanks REAR! area three prototype AV grenades Lai Day and tank drives off to rep lol .
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 123	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:07:00 - [2] - Quote Pretty certain this is a lie.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 117	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:08:00 - [3] - Quote Don't believe it. AV is OP compared to tanks.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2004	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:10:00 - [4] - Quote AV Grenades are a deterrent and should never be equal to other AV weapons of the same meta, ever. Also, Somas are only missing one low slot unlike its shield counterpart, it's possible he fitted it like a Madrugar, downgraded the weapons and such.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 24	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:11:00 - [5] - Quote no tank driver believes u right now. unless ur not telling us something. such as did he see u? did he have time to turn on his hardeners? Did he have time to turn on his rep before u threw the nades? if so i would believe it. but him not seeing u and then throwing 3 nades at him and not killing him is pretty unrealistic.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 619	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:19:00 - [6] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: no tank driver believes u right now. unless ur not telling us something. such as did he see u? did he have time to turn on his hardeners? Did he have time to turn on his rep before u threw the nades? if so i would believe it. but him not seeing u and then throwing 3 nades at him and not killing him is pretty unrealistic. I was hiding in a container so unless the soma driver had a crystall ball theres no way he knew I was there. the soma had no reps running. the point is I keep hearing about how easy it is to kill a MADRUGAR with AV grenades Lai Day. so a MILITIA Soma is no contest right?? anyone want to try some tests on oceania server with militia tanks??
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 322	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:20:00 - [7] - Quote I think there maybe something odd going on with damage but so far it appears to be random. I have shot low level LAVs 4-5 times in quick succession with large rail gun turrets and not broken their shields, the lav wasn't even moving, but in the same match 2 shot other militia LAVs and 3 shot militia HAVs. It does not appear to be hit detection as some damage is done but I am not seeing the shine when a repper etc is activated.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 24	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:23:00 - [8] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: no tank driver believes u right now. unless ur not telling us something. such as did he see u? did he have time to turn on his hardeners? Did he have time to turn on his rep before u threw the nades? if so i would believe it. but him not seeing u and then throwing 3 nades at him and not killing him is pretty unrealistic. I was hiding in a container so unless the soma driver had a crystall ball theres no way he knew I was there. the soma had no reps running. the point is I keep hearing about how easy it is to kill a MADRUGAR with AV grenades Lai Day. so a MILITIA Soma is no contest right?? anyone want to try some tests on oceania server with militia tanks?? well how much total armor did the tank have. the nade does over 2k damage to armor per nade so if his shields were up absorbing most of the first nade. lets say it's a 5.5k armor maddy and the first nade dropped it 500 armor u would have brought it down 2 1k armor or less. Assuming this was a well build tank. tht is enough for any av to destroy him. so in other words u were relying on nades and had no other source of AV. meaning u are an AR scrub looking to kill tanks with 3 nades.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1112	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:23:00 - [9] - Quote Repper animations have been turned off since 1.2 due to an art asset rendering glitch. So its harder to tell if his reppers are on.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 619	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:24:00 - [10] - Quote I did that also shooting parked LAV on domination A bridge and no damage from railgun to parked LAV on bridge.

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 619	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:27:00 - [11] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: no tank driver believes u right now. unless ur not telling us something. such as did he see u? did he have time to turn on his hardeners? Did he have time to turn on his rep before u threw the nades? if so i would believe it. but him not seeing u and then throwing 3 nades at him and not killing him is pretty unrealistic. I was hiding in a container so unless the soma driver had a crystall ball theres no way he knew I was there. the soma had no reps running. the point is I keep hearing about how easy it is to kill a MADRUGAR with AV grenades Lai Day. so a MILITIA Soma is no contest right?? anyone want to try some tests on oceania server with militia tanks?? well how much total armor did the tank have. the nade does over 2k damage to armor per nade so if his shields were up absorbing most of the first nade. lets say it's a 5.5k armor maddy and the first nade dropped it 500 armor u would have brought it down 2 1k armor or less. Assuming this was a well build tank. tht is enough for any av to destroy him. so in other words u were relying on nades and had no other source of AV. meaning u are an AR scrub looking to kill tanks with 3 nades. When a PROTOTYPE weapon does zip versus a MILITIA vehicle ....lol.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 1NC 740	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:30:00 - [12] - Quote It takes 2 lai dai's to kill a militia lav.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 619	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:36:00 - [13] - Quote ICECREAMK1NG wrote: It takes 2 lai dai's to kill a militia lav. Sometimes yes and sometimes no. I am beginning to wonder if its a hidden bug. I.e. shoot one vehicle but damage does not register and shooting a second vehicle gets double damage thereby leading to folks saying tanks are dying too fast and they may be right.?? More testing needed.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1821	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:38:00 - [14] - Quote "Waaaah, my Assault AR couldn't take out a tank" is all I'm reading.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 619	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:38:00 - [15] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: no tank driver believes u right now. unless ur not telling us something. such as did he see u? did he have time to turn on his hardeners? Did he have time to turn on his rep before u threw the nades? if so i would believe it. but him not seeing u and then throwing 3 nades at him and not killing him is pretty unrealistic. I was hiding in a container so unless the soma driver had a crystall ball theres no way he knew I was there. the soma had no reps running. the point is I keep hearing about how easy it is to kill a MADRUGAR with AV grenades Lai Day. so a MILITIA Soma is no contest right?? anyone want to try some tests on oceania server with militia tanks?? well how much total armor did the tank have. the nade does over 2k damage to armor per nade so if his shields were up absorbing most of the first nade. lets say it's a 5.5k armor maddy and the first nade dropped it 500 armor u would have brought it down 2 1k armor or less. Assuming this was a well build tank. tht is enough for any av to destroy him. so in other words u were relying on nades and had no other source of AV. meaning u are an AR scrub looking to kill tanks with 3 nades. MILITIA Soma !!!!!!!!!!!! So you up for some tests on oceania server ?????
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 619	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:41:00 - [16] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: "Waaaah, my Assault AR couldn't take out a tank" is all I'm reading. Are you up for some tests on oceania server ???? I keep hearing WAAAAAAAA!!!! AV grenades are so OP.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2722	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:44:00 - [17] - Quote Why do I never get this glitch?
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 619	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:53:00 - [18] - Quote gbghg wrote: Why do I never get this glitch? I have no idea? I kept hearing about how op av grenades are so I decided to test prototype AV grenades ...sigh. I guess I will skillup a wyrkomi swarm launcher to test since av grenades are just for militia jeeps...lol. Then its on to forge guns. However if I ever see militia tanks surviving several shots from prototype AV forge gun then its getting youtube for lols and just to hear what tankers say.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1114	Posted - 2013.07.21 22:16:00 - [19] - Quote This clearly has nothing to do with the tank. Maybe you suffered hit detection issues or something, but not even a maxed out madrugar can withstand 5 proto AV nades and 3 proto swarm launcher hits.. period.
CoD isAIDS Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2013.07.21 22:34:00 - [20] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: no tank driver believes u right now. unless ur not telling us something. such as did he see u? did he have time to turn on his hardeners? Did he have time to turn on his rep before u threw the nades? if so i would believe it. but him not seeing u and then throwing 3 nades at him and not killing him is pretty unrealistic. I was hiding in a container so unless the soma driver had a crystall ball theres no way he knew I was there. the soma had no reps running. the point is I keep hearing about how easy it is to kill a MADRUGAR with AV grenades Lai Day. so a MILITIA Soma is no contest right?? anyone want to try some tests on oceania server with militia tanks?? You're not able to tell when the hardeners/repper is activate, unless you're close enough to hear it. And lol at Call of Duty style tactics.

Ansiiis The Trustworthy WE ARE LEGENDS 158	Posted - 2013.07.21 22:42:00 - [21] - Quote I want to believe...
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 906	Posted - 2013.07.21 22:46:00 - [22] - Quote I'm just gonna go ahead and call bullshit.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 481	Posted - 2013.07.21 22:57:00 - [23] - Quote I have a PC match tonight, but if you drop me a mail around 8:30 or so I will help you test this, against Somas and Madrugars. If you want to pay for it you can even pop a Vayu if you really want to.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2009	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:26:00 - [24] - Quote Will you people ever learn to combat things properly? AV Grenades should never be a proper AV weapon, you get so many people running around laughing about the fact they can just chuck a nanohive down and solo a tank, it's sad. Swarm Launchers for Gallente Vehicles Forge Guns for Caldari Vehicles. ******* 'ey.
Gogo O'Dell Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:28:00 - [25] - Quote this is a troll post; ignore it
Gogo O'Dell Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:30:00 - [26] - Quote seriously, if you have proto av of any type and can't solo a HAV, then you're bad at what you do bc all the good tankers who wouldve given you some challenge and required another person are gone at this point.
calvin b Molon Labe. League of Infamy 83	Posted - 2013.07.22 00:56:00 - [27] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: no tank driver believes u right now. unless ur not telling us something. such as did he see u? did he have time to turn on his hardeners? Did he have time to turn on his rep before u threw the nades? if so i would believe it. but him not seeing u and then throwing 3 nades at him and not killing him is pretty unrealistic. I was hiding in a container so unless the soma driver had a crystall ball theres no way he knew I was there. the soma had no reps running. the point is I keep hearing about how easy it is to kill a MADRUGAR with AV grenades Lai Day. so a MILITIA Soma is no contest right?? anyone want to try some tests on oceania server with militia tanks?? I will do it. I have militia tanks and do not mind the lose. So send me time and I will link with you in game. Let the madness begin.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 489	Posted - 2013.07.22 01:07:00 - [28] - Quote Gogo O'Dell wrote: seriously, if you have proto av of any type and can't solo a HAV, then you're bad at what you do bc all the good tankers who wouldve given you some challenge and required another person are gone at this point. I don't normally get solo'd and I'm still here. I may not be that good, but I like to think I am not too easy to kill.
Mintqueer Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.07.22 01:09:00 - [29] - Quote lie
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6372	Posted - 2013.07.22 01:21:00 - [30] - Quote no no no no Always open with your AV weapon first, and if you have multiple equipment slots make sure to throw some proxies down before it starts to drive off then then toss your nades.

Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 165	Posted - 2013.07.22 01:30:00 - [31] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: ICECREAMK1NG wrote: It takes 2 lai dai's to kill a militia lav. Sometimes yes and sometimes no. I am beginning to wonder if its a hidden bug. I.e. shoot one vehicle but damage does not register and shooting a second vehicle gets double damage thereby leading to folks saying tanks are dying too fast and they may be right.?? More testing needed. Getting the same feeling here too. I've had two instances this game build where a Forge Jihad attack up close to the rear of stationary HAVs inflicted unbelievably crappy damage.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 599	Posted - 2013.07.22 02:02:00 - [32] - Quote Some answers: - Soma is tough (soma>sica) - Perhaps tank user fitted a good tank (instead of using crappy default) - Three, albeit proto, AV nades is not that much. - it shouldn't be the case that a solo (proto) AV nade user always automatically kills a tank - Armor reppers are bugged currently (1.2 build) giving x3 rep power Lot's of reasons there, some as intended, some needing a fix
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 624	Posted - 2013.07.22 04:07:00 - [33] - Quote calvin b wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: no tank driver believes u right now. unless ur not telling us something. such as did he see u? did he have time to turn on his hardeners? Did he have time to turn on his rep before u threw the nades? if so i would believe it. but him not seeing u and then throwing 3 nades at him and not killing him is pretty unrealistic. I was hiding in a container so unless the soma driver had a crystall ball theres no way he knew I was there. the soma had no reps running. the point is I keep hearing about how easy it is to kill a MADRUGAR with AV grenades Lai Day. so a MILITIA Soma is no contest right?? anyone want to try some tests on oceania server with militia tanks?? I will do it. I have militia tanks and do not mind the lose. So send me time and I will link with you in game. Let the madness begin. K. 12;30 CST a bit after midnight. I also want to test a fit with no damage mods and av grenades and a fit with damage mods and av grenades. I am also wondering if damage mods are stacking with av grenades in some cases??? If that is the case then the tankers do have a point but only if its a bug. Sigh.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 624	Posted - 2013.07.22 04:18:00 - [34] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: ICECREAMK1NG wrote: It takes 2 lai dai's to kill a militia lav. Sometimes yes and sometimes no. I am beginning to wonder if its a hidden bug. I.e. shoot one vehicle but damage does not register and shooting a second vehicle gets double damage thereby leading to folks saying tanks are dying too fast and they may be right.?? More testing needed. Getting the same feeling here too. I've had two instances this game build where a Forge Jihad attack up close to the rear of stationary HAVs inflicted unbelievably crappy damage. I noticed that our suit hitboxes expand if we run/sprint and now I am wondering if the wonky AV damage is really the vehicle hitboxes wonking out from time to time?? I.e. you see the vehicle and you shoot that vehicle but the server says : nope! missed!!


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