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Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:51:00 -
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I mean the core aspect of how it works.
You are a clone, if the clone you are controlling dies, you don't get back the stuff it was wearing. You pay for all items with in game currency, that is earned by playing the game.
That does not make the game pay to win. |
Roofer Madness
Unkn0wn Killers
League of Infamy
61
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:54:00 -
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Yes, but having Aurum grenades/droplinks/etc that are better than the isk versions is P2W.... |
Galthur
CrimeWave Syndicate
134
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:54:00 -
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They spend 20 min. in game then read the review of the last 10 min. reviewer. |
Boomer Dues Mortis
D3ath D3alers
168
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:54:00 -
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I think it is stuff like contact grenades and how every time before you get into a game it says something about getting your stuff faster with aurum. I know the game is not pay 2 win but look at it from someones perspective who has never played the game before, ccp does try to shove the stuff into your face. |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught
RISE of LEGION
579
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:15:00 -
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Boomer Dues Mortis wrote:I think it is stuff like contact grenades and how every time before you get into a game it says something about getting your stuff faster with aurum. I know the game is not pay 2 win but look at it from someones perspective who has never played the game before, ccp does try to shove the stuff into your face.
Yes, but we all started out like that and I know the SP gap is getting larger but have alts with small amounts of so and still enjoy playing them. |
EternalRMG
Eir Gaming
436
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:18:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:Yes, but having Aurum grenades/droplinks/etc that are better than the isk versions is P2W....
not quite
those aurum items arent a win button, they dont make you invincible, just harder to kill or easier to get kills with
i can kill peopl with full aurum Gear with my mlt items |
Duck Drahko
DUST University
Ivy League
41
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:19:00 -
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Journalists don't have the time to really dig into a game, especially one that they can't compare 1to1 with another title.
But don't worry, once Dust reaches a certain quality, word will spread among gamers and then journalists will pick up on that, reporting favourably. That's how they work. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
687
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:21:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:Yes, but having Aurum grenades/droplinks/etc that are better than the isk versions is P2W....
Except the Aurum gear has ISK equivalents with the exact same stats. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2906
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:24:00 -
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I wouldn't trust gaming "journalists" to begin with. They sell out to whoever gives them the most merch and are as biased as a Florida jury. Makes me miss G-4, everything went downhill when they merged with TechTV. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
3421
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:27:00 -
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There is nothing to understand, this game should still be in beta and all the items are overpriced. |
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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1999
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:28:00 -
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You have to buy guns and if you die you lose them?! OH MY GOD WHAT A HORRIBLE GAME, WE'LL HAVE TO SPEND SO MUCH MONEY! - Reviewer. |
da GAND
187.
League of Infamy
102
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:36:00 -
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Because this game is still unfinished/broken so badly that it's hard for new players to have any fun |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
663
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:38:00 -
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Yeah, all that Critics that have YEARS of experience and review games for a LIVING, have not idea what they talking about...Useless people, they should all be sack and replace by CCP fanboys.
I hope you understand sarcasm.  |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
455
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:41:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:Yes, but having Aurum grenades/droplinks/etc that are better than the isk versions is P2W.... not quite those aurum items arent a win button, they dont make you invincible, just harder to kill or easier to get kills with i can kill peopl with full aurum Gear with my mlt items
The point here is the marketing of supremacy goods. That is why the game can be construed as p2w. As long as their are items that are only available with real money that are better than in game currency items in any way, they are supremacy goods, and are a form of p2w.
It could be called mild p2w, it could more accurately be called marketing supremacy goods, but either way there is an advantage to be had if you pay money, therefore it is in some form p2w. |
Orca Amsel
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
84
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:46:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:Yes, but having Aurum grenades/droplinks/etc that are better than the isk versions is P2W.... Except the Aurum gear has ISK equivalents with the exact same stats.
Which isk contact grenade has an blast radius of 6m?
Which isk drop uplink has a spawn time modifier of -75%? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
848
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:11:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:Yes, but having Aurum grenades/droplinks/etc that are better than the isk versions is P2W.... Except the Aurum gear has ISK equivalents with the exact same stats.
Not all of it. |
RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
155
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:56:00 -
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Because the game is not easy to understand. Very little is explained to you when you are thrown in the deep end.
There are also several items that are only available for cash and perform better than the non-cash alternatives. That is the definition of pay to win, no?
To be fair to CCP, those items are generally not 'insta-win button' items, but they can undoubtedly tip the scales in a key battle one way or the other. |
Roofer Madness
Unkn0wn Killers
League of Infamy
65
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:29:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:Yes, but having Aurum grenades/droplinks/etc that are better than the isk versions is P2W.... Except the Aurum gear has ISK equivalents with the exact same stats.
Actually, I give grenades and drop links as a direct example because they don't have direct ISK equivalents. The Proto Aurum Uplinks have a faster spawn time (which makes a BIG difference) and the Cavity ADV Aurum nades are the same stats as the Thukker Proto but with less CPU/PG requirement. Did you really not know this already? |
Pandora Mars
Afterlife Overseers
129
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:36:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:Yes, but having Aurum grenades/droplinks/etc that are better than the isk versions is P2W.... Except the Aurum gear has ISK equivalents with the exact same stats.
Fused grenade says hello... |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
850
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:43:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:I mean the core aspect of how it works.
You are a clone, if the clone you are controlling dies, you don't get back the stuff it was wearing. You pay for all items with in game currency, that is earned by playing the game.
That does not make the game pay to win.
It took me playing beta for a month before I could reliably track the goings on in the market. Nevermind prioritise my sp spending. It's understandable that reviewers can't grasp the character of the game or its intentions given the time they have to review. However it's also unproffessional to express an opinion on various aspects of the game when readers may assume your opinion is informed. |
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BLKDG
ROYAL SQUAD
Shadow of the Apocalypse
14
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:46:00 -
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People pushed to write on deadlines tend to or doent invest in any interest.
If the game doesn't match their experience so far they are compelled to write about it
Because the didnt invest time
Because they aren't patient
And are used to the quick and dirty games they are used to
They waaaa at how hard it is. They think they can game and get it quickly and when they dont
Oh sczhit this game must succ cause im dying so much and im loosing argh game sucz derp derp
Modern bloggy style deadline crp caan suc it |
HYENAKILLER X
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:52:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:I mean the core aspect of how it works.
You are a clone, if the clone you are controlling dies, you don't get back the stuff it was wearing. You pay for all items with in game currency, that is earned by playing the game.
That does not make the game pay to win.
That makes a game clown proof because no matter what anyone says you have to be hardcore and compete. You cant lolplay dust. To many penalties. You will either learn to aim and dodge or you will go back to runescape.
if dust had better graphics a lot of gripes would go away.......but its a FREE game! |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
459
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:55:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:
if dust had better graphics a lot of gripes would go away
LOL no.
Clearly you are new here. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1409
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:04:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I mean the core aspect of how it works.
You are a clone, if the clone you are controlling dies, you don't get back the stuff it was wearing. You pay for all items with in game currency, that is earned by playing the game.
That does not make the game pay to win. That makes a game clown proof because no matter what anyone says you have to be hardcore and compete. You cant lolplay dust. To many penalties. You will either learn to aim and dodge or you will go back to runescape. if dust had better graphics a lot of gripes would go away.......but its a FREE game!
Bahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this is a good one
Implying all the explosives spam that goes on here at the "top" level is hardcore and not half assed playing |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
580
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Posted - 2013.07.21 21:32:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:
if dust had better graphics a lot of gripes would go away
LOL no. Clearly you are new here.
Sadly, I think reviewers would give a slightly better score for that reason...sad. |
Booker DaFooker
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
89
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Posted - 2013.07.21 22:17:00 -
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Some additional discussion of poor reviewing and a video discussion also that may be of interest to some
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1081054#post1081054 |
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