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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.21 05:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You do realize that the existence of this bug is probably what is screwing with trying to balance the damn things.
The real thing ******* with a lot of balance in this game (dropsuits included) is that explosive damage is hitting at between 135% and 150% against armor, instead of the lol120% like CCP continues to insist that does. This has been tested in game by the players and found to be true, yet CCP continues to ingnore this.
To OP, should have skill some other than just tanks dude. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.21 05:27:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Seriously if a solo AV guy kills you then you are just a horrible driver and I say this as a guy thats killed tanks solo
Sitting completely still trying to park on a spawn point with a blaster equipped tank is not good driving, its asking to get your **** wrecked
Cruising around alone near a bunch of infantry cover is not good driving, its asking to get your **** wrecked
Going solo in your tank at all without some infantry support is not good driving, its asking to get your **** wrecked
Actually a great deal of what I see tank drivers doing is not good driving and its asking AV players to bend them over and **** them in the ass
On the occasion you see an actual decent tank driver with some decent infantry support they rule almost the entire ******* battlefield
"Waaah but I wanted to be the cool guy and go 50/0 without even my pain job getting scratched"
For a ******* standard level vehicle tanks are fine where they are, you want to talk about adding in advanced and proto tanks thats cool, you want to talk about standard tanks standing up to squads of concentrated proto fire and you are a ******* moron U Sound like a ******* infantry ******* who wants tanks to be useless. as it stands these dumbass swarms followm me around the goddamn map doing 3k damage plus to me per volley and they u got these goddamn ******* av nades raping me and forge gunners who can hide everywhere. don't tell me how balanced it ******* is. As it stands swarms can shoot me from a tower or across the ******* map and are invisible. Or a person can get behind me throw 3 av nades in seconds before i can respond and ******* 1 shot me with a volley of swarms. Stop thinking TANKS R fine u dumbass infantry. and i can go 20/0 or 50/0 U know how WHEN THERE IS NO ******* AV. but when there is the slightest hint of AV i go 10/0 15/0 I mean **** i can do better as infantry. U think it takes skill to be in a proto suit and fire a duvolle into a bunch of scrubs and get the same amount of kills. Lol no skill u jump around and shoot the enemy brains out. 0 skill Heres what invalidates all your whining A swarm doing 3k to you A swarm of 6 missiles at a proto level with each missile doing 330 damage Thats 1980 damage for a swarm before the damage reduction from them hitting your shields first This is the swarm thats doing 3k damage to you? ******* idiot, QQ some more
The following is the damage output for proto swarms, with proficiency 5 and two damage mods, against an armor tank:
3,648.77 HP per volly
Even without the damage mods and only level three proficiency it is still three thousand. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.21 05:33:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Delta 749 wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Seriously if a solo AV guy kills you then you are just a horrible driver and I say this as a guy thats killed tanks solo
Sitting completely still trying to park on a spawn point with a blaster equipped tank is not good driving, its asking to get your **** wrecked
Cruising around alone near a bunch of infantry cover is not good driving, its asking to get your **** wrecked
Going solo in your tank at all without some infantry support is not good driving, its asking to get your **** wrecked
Actually a great deal of what I see tank drivers doing is not good driving and its asking AV players to bend them over and **** them in the ass
On the occasion you see an actual decent tank driver with some decent infantry support they rule almost the entire ******* battlefield
"Waaah but I wanted to be the cool guy and go 50/0 without even my pain job getting scratched"
For a ******* standard level vehicle tanks are fine where they are, you want to talk about adding in advanced and proto tanks thats cool, you want to talk about standard tanks standing up to squads of concentrated proto fire and you are a ******* moron U Sound like a ******* infantry ******* who wants tanks to be useless. as it stands these dumbass swarms followm me around the goddamn map doing 3k damage plus to me per volley and they u got these goddamn ******* av nades raping me and forge gunners who can hide everywhere. don't tell me how balanced it ******* is. As it stands swarms can shoot me from a tower or across the ******* map and are invisible. Or a person can get behind me throw 3 av nades in seconds before i can respond and ******* 1 shot me with a volley of swarms. Stop thinking TANKS R fine u dumbass infantry. and i can go 20/0 or 50/0 U know how WHEN THERE IS NO ******* AV. but when there is the slightest hint of AV i go 10/0 15/0 I mean **** i can do better as infantry. U think it takes skill to be in a proto suit and fire a duvolle into a bunch of scrubs and get the same amount of kills. Lol no skill u jump around and shoot the enemy brains out. 0 skill Heres what invalidates all your whining A swarm doing 3k to you A swarm of 6 missiles at a proto level with each missile doing 330 damage Thats 1980 damage for a swarm before the damage reduction from them hitting your shields first This is the swarm thats doing 3k damage to you? ******* idiot, QQ some more 3 k is half my health and more than one cycle of reps of repairing if this nerf goes through. ur a ******* idiot i'm not even going to bother. and considering i can't see them my resist won't even be on and by the time they are on the next swarms r on there way. XD i'm done arguing with u. Yeah and 3k is still more than a proto swarm does to you in one volley, hell its less than two proto volleys if they all hit against shields Learn how to do some basic ******* math before you start crying how you die so easily, if you got the numbers right and didnt make wildly inflated statements you might have some credibility and be worth arguing with
Your dead wrong dude. Open mouth insert foot. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.21 05:38:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Delta 749 wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Seriously if a solo AV guy kills you then you are just a horrible driver and I say this as a guy thats killed tanks solo
Sitting completely still trying to park on a spawn point with a blaster equipped tank is not good driving, its asking to get your **** wrecked
Cruising around alone near a bunch of infantry cover is not good driving, its asking to get your **** wrecked
Going solo in your tank at all without some infantry support is not good driving, its asking to get your **** wrecked
Actually a great deal of what I see tank drivers doing is not good driving and its asking AV players to bend them over and **** them in the ass
On the occasion you see an actual decent tank driver with some decent infantry support they rule almost the entire ******* battlefield
"Waaah but I wanted to be the cool guy and go 50/0 without even my pain job getting scratched"
For a ******* standard level vehicle tanks are fine where they are, you want to talk about adding in advanced and proto tanks thats cool, you want to talk about standard tanks standing up to squads of concentrated proto fire and you are a ******* moron U Sound like a ******* infantry ******* who wants tanks to be useless. as it stands these dumbass swarms followm me around the goddamn map doing 3k damage plus to me per volley and they u got these goddamn ******* av nades raping me and forge gunners who can hide everywhere. don't tell me how balanced it ******* is. As it stands swarms can shoot me from a tower or across the ******* map and are invisible. Or a person can get behind me throw 3 av nades in seconds before i can respond and ******* 1 shot me with a volley of swarms. Stop thinking TANKS R fine u dumbass infantry. and i can go 20/0 or 50/0 U know how WHEN THERE IS NO ******* AV. but when there is the slightest hint of AV i go 10/0 15/0 I mean **** i can do better as infantry. U think it takes skill to be in a proto suit and fire a duvolle into a bunch of scrubs and get the same amount of kills. Lol no skill u jump around and shoot the enemy brains out. 0 skill Heres what invalidates all your whining A swarm doing 3k to you A swarm of 6 missiles at a proto level with each missile doing 330 damage Thats 1980 damage for a swarm before the damage reduction from them hitting your shields first This is the swarm thats doing 3k damage to you? ******* idiot, QQ some more The following is the damage output for proto swarms, with proficiency 5 and two damage mods, against an armor tank: 3,648.77 HP per volly Even without the damage mods and only level three proficiency it is still three thousand. Did you factor in the shields resist to explosives and the diminishing returns on the damage mods
1. The calculations were for armor which i am pretty sure he was talking about.
2. My calculation are never wrong. And if by some odd chance they were to be I would be the fist to correct them.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
252
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Posted - 2013.07.21 05:44:00 -
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@Caeli SineDeo
I only have roughly 8 mil SP invested into shield tanks and I do amazingly well. The rest of my 18 mil SP is invested into Gal logi. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.21 05:47:00 -
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ladwar wrote:just so you know a max sp proto SL with 5 damage mods can do 3588 per volley(using the 20% bonus on armor) on armor.
Is not 120% there is a bug. It is more like 135% to 150% it varies. This has been tested by player in game, or so I have hear form player claiming to have tested it. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:02:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:@Caeli SineDeo
I only have roughly 8 mil SP invested into shield tanks and I do amazingly well. The rest of my 18 mil SP is invested into Gal logi. Oh yes I agree 8m sp tanks and get a solid tank set up. BUt you forget I am first tanker so that means I want to invest all I can into tanks so I am able to best play against other tankers. That means fully skilling out to lvl 5 in all my skills that work. currently part of them do not. By doing this I am able to create better fits with either the extra CPU or PG I gain because Sheild extenders or armor plates cost less. So it cost me alot more. Their is a reason why I have taken on 3 tankers at once and can beat them. Because they may invest minimal to run proto gear on their tank but I have put my full SP into tanks so I can fit past what they can. That means out of my 12m SP I have 10m into tanks and a addition 2m into having a okay ground set up. And I dare not invest much outside of that because I want to have that edge on other tankers.
There is an old saying: don't put all your eggs into one basket.
This should go double for Dust, what with all the nerfs an all. You shouldn't just quite because of this though. You have two mil invested into suits right. Well it takes roughly about 6.5 mil SP to creat a good proto suit fit, with proto light and sidearm. You should just work on doing this until the nerf comes (buy some booster if you don't use them). Then when the nerf comes just ride out the storm, on the ground in a suit,until your tank gets fixed again, which shouldn't take all that long. What ever you do you shouldn't quite over this. I'd have to call you a wuss if ya did. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
252
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:18:00 -
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BatKing Deltor wrote:What would be the equivalent of a burn jita for dust?
No boosters is about the best you could do. However you may actually be able to burn Jita if you knew enough EVE players. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:38:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Son of a Gun I double checked your math
A proto swarm at 5 proficiency running two complex damage upgrades comes out to 2673 before adding any resistance bonuses or weaknesses
Adding in the 30% damage bonus to armor thats 3475 per swarm solely to armor but thats just ignoring the shield resistance bonus to get numbers we would prefer
Factor that in and you get 1871 damage per swarm and every tank has resistance amps and plates to further decrease those numbers
Now I know you felt like you struck a great blow but then here comes proper math and logic to show its not as bad you guys whine about
The reason shields weren't factored is because, the shields only count for the initial volly and shields only count for a minuscule amount of total eHP of an armor tank.
The reason hardeners weren't acounted for is because it is part of the meta, and they do eventually run out. If you are a skilled AVer you know how to bid your time and take advantage of this.
My calculations where on the conservative side I only factored for 135% of a posible 150%
Sorry, I missed your post. |
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