Is this the Great Wall of Text everyone says I need to go see? I thought it was only in China!

your def trololing... nice name btw...lmfao =p

As of now, imo, ccp has completely failed when trying change the fact that the cal proto logi suit is the best assault suit in game. Here's why. The proto cal logi has way more cpu, so whats 20 cpu that there removing really going to do anyway, I can level up 1 more level in electronics and then run my suit like it is now the exact same way.

Furthermore whats a little tiny bit of shields, so what if the shield bonus is gone even with 5 complex extenders you might get what... 45 shields.. big deal. I personally dont run 5 extenders anyway, and so therefore it is even less hp lost, and now even with the delay worse... the logi suit gets a bonus to regulators. None of the changes really effect the logi suit enough to change the fact, its the best assault suit in the game, here is the problem. On a proto assault you have 3 low slots, if you want to rep your arm 1 is an armor rep module, if you want to have lots of proto modules, grenades, guns ect, 1 will be a cpu enhancement, that leaves 1 more low module slot for plate or w/e.

But the cal proto logi gets 4 low slots...it dont need an armor rep module and has very high cpu...but just say you need it and use a cpu enhancer...ok now you have 3 low slots compared to the 1 on the assault suit. Any1 with common sense knows the hp or speed or w/e diffrence you can make with this many low slots unused.

Further more the logi has 5 high's instead of 4. So you can have same amount of extenders with more damage or vice versa, or same extenders, same damage mods, with energizer, or w/e the combination its better. Basically the main point here is this....it has 9 total modules...the 5 highs give you an extra high powered module than the assault suit. It also has 4 lows....and bc of the cpu and auto armor rep the logi suit has...you end up having several more low slots than the assault suit. (Too many module slots and too much cpu to use them with).

This is why the cal proto logi suit, was and still is, the best assault suit in the game.

I fixed that for you a bit ....

I fixed that for you a bit ....

*Reminds that the currently planned bonuses are indeed temporary

Well thats great wolf, but how long must we wait is the question, really hope some changes take place soon.

P.S. Wolf, you really do some work on these forums buddy, props to you my friend! =)

Points of clarification:

1. The racial bonus gave us 18 HP per extender. That's a loss of 90 HP total if you were running 5x Complex Extenders in your suit. If you were running 4x, you will need to run 5x to achieve the same HP.

2. The CPU nerf is 20 CPU from the base (195 to 175). This means the CPU at advanced will be 245 and 350 at proto.

3. At advanced level, you will now need Core Upgrades 4 and Electronics 4 to run an advanced weapon, AV grenades, 3x Complex Extenders, 2 basic plates, basic injector/repper, and advanced nanohives. You will need Electronics 5 if you want to swap an advanced drop uplink for the nanohives.

4. The CPU nerf at the advanced level now poses an unjust fitting skill requirement on Caldari that does not exist for Gallente and Minmatar, while at the same time nerfing its HP. It is now, by far, the weakest advanced suit with the lowest equipment potential. To run equivalent gear on the Caldari compared to Gallente/Minmatar, you need an additional 1 mil or 700k SP, respectively in CPU fitting skills. Add 777k if you want to run advanced drop uplinks on that suit.

CCP, CPM, whoever - please explain the rationale behind nerfing the CPU on the advanced and standard Caldari suit, and/or show me a fit that indicates balance between the three suits after the Caldari suit has been nerfed.

The removal of the racial bonus was unavoidable. The CPU nerf at the lower suit levels adds insult to injury and absolutely killls the balance between suits at the advanced level.

People underestimate the advantage assaults have with sidearms, speed, and shield regen...

*Reminds that the currently planned bonuses are indeed temporary

As of now, imo, ccp has completely failed when trying change the fact that the cal proto logi suit is the best assault suit in game. Here's why. The proto cal logi has way more cpu, so whats 20 cpu that there removing really going to do anyway, I can level up 1 more level in electronics and then run my suit like it is now the exact same way.

Furthermore whats a little tiny bit of shields, so what if the shield bonus is gone even with 5 complex extenders you might get what... 45 shields.. big deal. I personally dont run 5 extenders anyway, and so therefore it is even less hp lost, and now even with the delay worse... the logi suit gets a bonus to regulators. None of the changes really effect the logi suit enough to change the fact, its the best assault suit in the game, here is the problem. On a proto assault you have 3 low slots, if you want to rep your arm 1 is an armor rep module, if you want to have lots of proto modules, grenades, guns ect, 1 will be a cpu enhancement, that leaves 1 more low module slot for plate or w/e.

But the cal proto logi gets 4 low slots...it dont need an armor rep module and has very high cpu...but just say you need it and use a cpu enhancer...ok now you have 3 low slots compared to the 1 on the assault suit. Any1 with common sense knows the hp or speed or w/e diffrence you can make with this many low slots unused.

Further more the logi has 5 high's instead of 4. So you can have same amount of extenders with more damage or vice versa, or same extenders, same damage mods, with energizer, or w/e the combination its better. Basically the main point here is this....it has 9 total modules...the 5 highs give you an extra high powered module than the assault suit. It also has 4 lows....and bc of the cpu and auto armor rep the logi suit has...you end up having several more low slots than the assault suit. (Too many module slots and too much cpu to use them with).

This is why the cal proto logi suit, was and still is, the best assault suit in the game.

So the bonuses will change again? Do we know to what? Confused on how one is supposed plan character/ fits when it constantly changes? Soon(TM)?

So the bonuses will change again? Do we know to what? Confused on how one is supposed plan character/ fits when it constantly changes? Soon(TM)?

So the bonuses will change again? Do we know to what? Confused on how one is supposed plan character/ fits when it constantly changes? Soon(TM)?

The bonuses planned are things like better repping or longer lasting nanohives. They aren't introduced yet because of technical problems like nanohives losing the suit bonus after being deployed.



Ok. Then we have an imba Assault suit which doubles as logistics and a totally worthless Logi suit.

Out of everything in the game, this is probably the most frustrating.

Your decisions have very little meaning at all because CCP can and will completely alter your suit / weapons / vehicles with very little to no notice, and expect you to be totally cool with that. Considering some people actually pour real cash into this game, expecting them to just smile and HTFU as you steamroll into their builds....yea....

The bonuses planned are things like better repping or longer lasting nanohives. They aren't introduced yet because of technical problems like nanohives losing the suit bonus after being deployed.



Ok. Then we have an imba Assault suit which doubles as logistics and a totally worthless Logi suit.

Points of clarification:

1. The racial bonus gave us 18 HP per extender. That's a loss of 90 HP total if you were running 5x Complex Extenders in your suit. If you were running 4x, you will need to run 5x to achieve the same HP.

2. The CPU nerf is 20 CPU from the base (195 to 175). This means the CPU at advanced will be 245 and 350 at proto.

3. At advanced level, you will now need Core Upgrades 4 and Electronics 4 to run an advanced weapon, AV grenades, 3x Complex Extenders, 2 basic plates, basic injector/repper, and advanced nanohives. You will need Electronics 5 if you want to swap an advanced drop uplink for the nanohives.

4. The CPU nerf at the advanced level now poses an unjust fitting skill requirement on Caldari that does not exist for Gallente and Minmatar, while at the same time nerfing its HP. It is now, by far, the weakest advanced suit with the lowest equipment potential. To run equivalent gear on the Caldari compared to Gallente/Minmatar, you need an additional 1 mil or 700k SP, respectively in CPU fitting skills. Add 777k if you want to run advanced drop uplinks on that suit.

CCP, CPM, whoever - please explain the rationale behind nerfing the CPU on the advanced and standard Caldari suit, and/or show me a fit that indicates balance between the three suits after the Caldari suit has been nerfed.

The removal of the racial bonus was unavoidable. The CPU nerf at the lower suit levels adds insult to injury and absolutely killls the balance between suits at the advanced level.