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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.20 12:43:00 -
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Kinky Burrito wrote:Bandwagon? You know, I'm seeing some new corps in EON, too. The difference is, LOI is welcoming in corps that are new to PC, offering them districts, helping them to learn the PC game, and generally growing Dust514 as a whole. I also see a lot of corps joining Eon who are already involved in PC and want to farm in safety.
You must be referring to us. What did we do for the majority of our time in PC? We were a small alliance and tried to build one to increase competition in Molden Heath. We started with 4 but one wasn't active and another merged into another corp. And we tried to get that corp but they joined LOI. We tried to get other corps but they joined one of the big alliances or never responded.
Did Anon reach out to us as an alternative or did they look for a safety net? That's right...they joined LOI. So, when we made our decision to stop our crusade and join an alliance, we chose EoN because we have ties with Numbz. He has been reaching out to me long before the beta was out and at a time where RND had a whole bunch of hate. Not to mention, LOI was looking sick at the time with Hellstorm, OH, and PHI & IE joining. Plus, 187, WR, Molon all in LOI's ranks.
So, please....don't try to act like you know what you're talking about. Cause Anon joined LOI before RND joined EoN.
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.20 13:10:00 -
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Twisted202 wrote:Corps in EON could always leave, so its on leaders of corps in EON to create more competition. Mavado isn't going to say "We spliting the alliance up" no chance and Corp A would say "TPTPTP! let us be on TPs side".
That alliance has gotten very large considering the corp count, who play PC.
You are right....but I have to ask you this. When you left SI, why would you join IE? Imperfects and NF had so much talent. You could have joined any other corp.
And it's actually worse for players because there are many choices of corps for players. But there aren't that many choices for corps. Yet, players with talent still tried to pile up into NF and give them an even wider advantage.
EoN's philosophy, as expressed by Numbz, has always been to recruit small corps but quality corps. Can't blame them if corps with the same ideals are attracted to that.
So...sure, EoN corps can leave but when I see Imp and IE players leave their corps, then one can take your argument more seriously. |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.20 14:04:00 -
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OP's Dirty Secret wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Twisted202 wrote:Corps in EON could always leave, so its on leaders of corps in EON to create more competition. Mavado isn't going to say "We spliting the alliance up" no chance and Corp A would say "TPTPTP! let us be on TPs side".
That alliance has gotten very large considering the corp count, who play PC.
You are right....but I have to ask you this. When you left SI, why would you join IE? Imperfects and NF had so much talent. You could have joined any other corp. And it's actually worse for players because there are many choices of corps for players. But there aren't that many choices for corps. Yet, players with talent still tried to pile up into NF and give them an even wider advantage. EoN's philosophy, as expressed by Numbz, has always been to recruit small corps but quality corps. Can't blame them if corps with the same ideals are attracted to that. So...sure, EoN corps can leave but when I see Imp and IE players leave their corps, then one can take your argument more seriously. Honestly with few exceptions the most talented corps are melting pots of former corps talent. I mean, I think RND, and synergy, and even si (not sure) are exceptions but you either have people like NF who tried to recruit talent from others based on their perceived and established success, or people like radar who amassed talent from friendship/disgruntled players of other corps, or people like TP's who come with a lot of exclusivity and only recruit talent, and then you have inbetweens. Honestly it'd be nice if the battle academy and npc corps fostered the creation of new friendships that would in turn create new corps, but it doesn't. There's rarely anyone willing to make a new corp with fresh talent cause of the struggles implicit. It's like Hollywood and new ip.
The issue is that there isnt much talent coming from battle academy.
TP is just beating everyone and that's probably why it seems like EoN needs to be nerfed. LOI should have just gathered their best 16 from all of their corps to face them. There are talented corps in EoN but TP appears to be how the Imps used to be. You can't put B teams against TP and expect to win. I'm sure if LOI created an Ateam out of all of their corps...there may have been a back and forth thing with them.
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.20 14:56:00 -
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OP's Dirty Secret wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:OP's Dirty Secret wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Twisted202 wrote:Corps in EON could always leave, so its on leaders of corps in EON to create more competition. Mavado isn't going to say "We spliting the alliance up" no chance and Corp A would say "TPTPTP! let us be on TPs side".
That alliance has gotten very large considering the corp count, who play PC.
You are right....but I have to ask you this. When you left SI, why would you join IE? Imperfects and NF had so much talent. You could have joined any other corp. And it's actually worse for players because there are many choices of corps for players. But there aren't that many choices for corps. Yet, players with talent still tried to pile up into NF and give them an even wider advantage. EoN's philosophy, as expressed by Numbz, has always been to recruit small corps but quality corps. Can't blame them if corps with the same ideals are attracted to that. So...sure, EoN corps can leave but when I see Imp and IE players leave their corps, then one can take your argument more seriously. Honestly with few exceptions the most talented corps are melting pots of former corps talent. I mean, I think RND, and synergy, and even si (not sure) are exceptions but you either have people like NF who tried to recruit talent from others based on their perceived and established success, or people like radar who amassed talent from friendship/disgruntled players of other corps, or people like TP's who come with a lot of exclusivity and only recruit talent, and then you have inbetweens. Honestly it'd be nice if the battle academy and npc corps fostered the creation of new friendships that would in turn create new corps, but it doesn't. There's rarely anyone willing to make a new corp with fresh talent cause of the struggles implicit. It's like Hollywood and new ip. The issue is that there isnt much talent coming from battle academy. TP is just beating everyone and that's probably why it seems like EoN needs to be nerfed. LOI should have just gathered their best 16 from all of their corps to face them. There are talented corps in EoN but TP appears to be how the Imps used to be. You can't put B teams against TP and expect to win. I'm sure if LOI created an Ateam out of all of their corps...there may have been a back and forth thing with them. Well it's not like they didn't lose 3 matches. Sure they can complain they didn't have their tankers on but that's a copout. They chose not to search alliance wide for tankers and the strategy they employed ultimately failed. When they adapted I hear it was terribly one sided, but they were going back and forth, winning and losing and appearing even, while kujo lead his best team. There were very few alliance ringers Loi could have brought in and expected to pick up the slack on the a team kujo built. Just stupid he decided to run away
I don't know what strategy Kujo used but there are more than competent players in 187, PHI, IE that coupled with the more than competent players in HS....would have made a formidable 16 against TP & SyN. Since they were doing most of the attacking. |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.20 15:51:00 -
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Kinky Burrito wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Kinky Burrito wrote:Bandwagon? You know, I'm seeing some new corps in EON, too. The difference is, LOI is welcoming in corps that are new to PC, offering them districts, helping them to learn the PC game, and generally growing Dust514 as a whole. I also see a lot of corps joining Eon who are already involved in PC and want to farm in safety. You must be referring to us. What did we do for the majority of our time in PC? We were a small alliance and tried to build one to increase competition in Molden Heath. We started with 4 but one wasn't active and another merged into another corp. And we tried to get that corp but they joined LOI. We tried to get other corps but they joined one of the big alliances or never responded. Did Anon reach out to us as an alternative or did they look for a safety net? That's right...they joined LOI. So, when we made our decision to stop our crusade and join an alliance, we chose EoN because we have ties with Numbz. He has been reaching out to me long before the beta was out and at a time where RND had a whole bunch of hate. Not to mention, LOI was looking sick at the time with Hellstorm, OH, and PHI & IE joining. Plus, 187, WR, Molon all in LOI's ranks. So, please....don't try to act like you know what you're talking about. Cause Anon joined LOI before RND joined EoN. I was not referring to you, but thanks for the life story.
So, then who else were you referring to? RND, IXI, & OH were the last corps to join. You said u see a lot of corps are joining EoN...unless you were talking about OH by themselves. |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.20 15:53:00 -
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Kinky Burrito wrote:Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:Kinky Burrito wrote:Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:Kinky Burrito wrote:Bandwagon? You know, I'm seeing some new corps in EON, too. The difference is, LOI is welcoming in corps that are new to PC, offering them districts, helping them to learn the PC game, and generally growing Dust514 as a whole. I also see a lot of corps joining Eon who are already involved in PC and want to farm in safety. I detect another "EoN is ruining PC and DUST" attitude. Love it. They're not ruining it for me. They are the ones complaining about having no one to fight. So we should break up our alliance and fight each other right? Like some other idiot was suggesting? A lot of corps joining EoN? Last corp we picked up I believe was OH and that was a week ago so not really 'a lot'. They also joined when we were supposed to be in a 'months' long war and such... guess we took to much caution. Yea, OH was kicked out of LOI for many reasons, one of which was trying to start a war with TP before Kujo decided to do the same thing they did anyway, right before he left. What are the odds What The Flux ends up in EON?
I have no say in that but judging from forum talk and how everything transpired, I would say odds are slim.
Edit: slim to none |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:13:00 -
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OP's Dirty Secret wrote:In response to ydubbs post:
Oh I get it you're talking about a second team as well. Their a team from Hellstorm couldn't have been improved much from the likes of 187 and war ravens. Maybe one I know from Molon Labe. Maybe a few from ie and a few of pro hic but honestly yeah I think they coulda had a 2nd team drawing from 2 players in 187., 5 or so from pro hic, sev and a few choice Molon Labe. Guys, and some extra ie and Hellstorm talent. But honestly, you never got ie to commit. If they did they'd of like asked for districts so they could send more than 100 clones, they'd have brought 13ear, youngcuz, and always fielded the best they could muster. Nyan San was like mia the whole 5 days of war. All these were factors. It was like a half hearted attempt at war. Eon was ready pull in a teams for days and days, Loi had a very good Hellstorm team, the potential for a great ie team, the potential for a strong pro hic team, and an alliance team made from the remaining people not already on previous a teams. The rest hit double timers and hope TP's don't show up.
I'm referring to an LOI A team. I'm not sure if all of the corps weren't participating......but if I can go off the top of my head:
Alldin, The Black Art, Kujo, 13ar, 0TryHarder, Exmaple, MarkBurhart, Chilled, Morathi, Kalente, Broadway, Youngcuz, Markof22, getshotup, marauder, scotty...
...could have been one team. And i dont know all of the players but I'm sure they had enough for another beastly A team. Then they can field more B teams. Now, if the A team is winning battles, then morale would've been high and war may still have been going on. LOI had the numbers and skill to compete. |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:23:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:You are right....but I have to ask you this. When you left SI, why would you join IE? Imperfects and NF had so much talent. You could have joined any other corp.
And it's actually worse for players because there are many choices of corps for players. But there aren't that many choices for corps. Yet, players with talent still tried to pile up into NF and give them an even wider advantage.
EoN's philosophy, as expressed by Numbz, has always been to recruit small corps but quality corps. Can't blame them if corps with the same ideals are attracted to that.
So...sure, EoN corps can leave but when I see Imp and IE players leave their corps, then one can take your argument more seriously. Well sure NF had a great amount of elite players, but did we know competitive matches would only be 16 vs 16 back then? I'm sure we were building up to be able to field at least one 24 or 32 player team with only elite players. At one point I think we had the players to field two elite teams of that size. We were not building up to be able to zerg anything at all. We never intended to hold any districts at all, but the mechanics of PC required that. I guess TP can be viewed as NF 2.0 in some sense. Though from what I can see they're mostly built with 16 vs 16 in my mind and I'm not sure how deep they are beyond that. Since the matches are only 16 vs 16 they don't need to be much deeper than that.
Ok..i was just making the point that many people wanted to get into NF and for obvious reasons. NF had a lot of talent already, so if one left a corp, they didnt have to go tol NF.....they could have gone elsewhere for the sake of competition.
Because the argument is for corps to leave EoN and I was saying to twisted that he left SI and joined "the best" when he could have took his talents somewhere else to even out competition. Like, when PFB died, some went to NF but others went elsewhere like TP and thhat spread the talent out...which is good for the game.
That's why I dont like elite corps because everyone wants to join them and then all other corps can't compete. Then you see the elite corps chest thumping about being the best....well, yeah you took all the talent and now you have noone to compete with you.
Anyway..I'm rambling |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:26:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:OP's Dirty Secret wrote:In response to ydubbs post:
Oh I get it you're talking about a second team as well. Their a team from Hellstorm couldn't have been improved much from the likes of 187 and war ravens. Maybe one I know from Molon Labe. Maybe a few from ie and a few of pro hic but honestly yeah I think they coulda had a 2nd team drawing from 2 players in 187., 5 or so from pro hic, sev and a few choice Molon Labe. Guys, and some extra ie and Hellstorm talent. But honestly, you never got ie to commit. If they did they'd of like asked for districts so they could send more than 100 clones, they'd have brought 13ear, youngcuz, and always fielded the best they could muster. Nyan San was like mia the whole 5 days of war. All these were factors. It was like a half hearted attempt at war. Eon was ready pull in a teams for days and days, Loi had a very good Hellstorm team, the potential for a great ie team, the potential for a strong pro hic team, and an alliance team made from the remaining people not already on previous a teams. The rest hit double timers and hope TP's don't show up. I'm referring to an LOI A team. I'm not sure if all of the corps weren't participating......but if I can go off the top of my head: Alldin, The Black Art, Kujo, 13ar, 0TryHarder, Exmaple, MarkBurhart, Chilled, Morathi, Kalente, Broadway, Youngcuz, Markof22, getshotup, marauder, scotty... ...could have been one team. And i dont know all of the players but I'm sure they had enough for another beastly A team. Then they can field more B teams. Now, if the A team is winning battles, then morale would've been high and war may still have been going on. LOI had the numbers and skill to compete. That strategy works in giving One team a good fight as for the others still losses on the board. Lol
Not necessarily....there are still good players left. It's just you want your best against your enemy's best.
Remember Imps A team and then their B team? Their B team will still give you a ride and you may still lose but their A team is reserved for prioritized battles. Not to mention, A team players can still play in B team matches. |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:45:00 -
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I dont really know Hellstorm's roster or who is really good on HS except for those I've mentioned. I know chilled is a good assault that you can take into any battle. Kujo, Mark, and Maple...I've listed in that 16. |
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:23:00 -
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OP's Dirty Secret wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I dont really know Hellstorm's roster or who is really good on HS except for those I've mentioned. I know chilled is a good assault that you can take into any battle. Kujo, Mark, and Maple...I've listed in that 16.
Maybe 0TryHard or those other guys couldn't make those battles for RL reasons. Cause they're still active. There is also Taste, Doug, etc. Or, maybe someone should've just lit the fire under their asses to commit. Dia from Nyain San 0tryhard does not play. Markof22 does not play. I would know. Doug doesn't play. I agreed on the nyan san thing in the prevous post, they never really committed. In substance we're on the same side, they should have brought the best alliance wide, like fiddle said 2 ringers with great slaying ability can bolster a team. We're just distant on knowledge of who's still playing this dying game. Edit: and when you're talking about a team of 13ear younycuz mark, exmaples, and djinn kujo's...chilled pill wouldn't be bringing more to the table, just trying to fill a broadways shoes and doing a poor job in light of it. Chilled pill is a great player, but only on the level of a broadway with the great chemistry he has with a mostly pro hic team.
Doug and 0TryHard played against us...so they must be out there somewhere. |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.21 00:38:00 -
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OP's Dirty Secret wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:OP's Dirty Secret wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I dont really know Hellstorm's roster or who is really good on HS except for those I've mentioned. I know chilled is a good assault that you can take into any battle. Kujo, Mark, and Maple...I've listed in that 16.
Maybe 0TryHard or those other guys couldn't make those battles for RL reasons. Cause they're still active. There is also Taste, Doug, etc. Or, maybe someone should've just lit the fire under their asses to commit. Dia from Nyain San 0tryhard does not play. Markof22 does not play. I would know. Doug doesn't play. I agreed on the nyan san thing in the prevous post, they never really committed. In substance we're on the same side, they should have brought the best alliance wide, like fiddle said 2 ringers with great slaying ability can bolster a team. We're just distant on knowledge of who's still playing this dying game. Edit: and when you're talking about a team of 13ear younycuz mark, exmaples, and djinn kujo's...chilled pill wouldn't be bringing more to the table, just trying to fill a broadways shoes and doing a poor job in light of it. Chilled pill is a great player, but only on the level of a broadway with the great chemistry he has with a mostly pro hic team. Doug and 0TryHard played against us...so they must be out there somewhere. Wow. Ill take your word on it, but it's weird, I totally thought they left for good like markof22 kept saying. Did they win? When was this? During the war? I heard they only played 3 battles in the 5 day skirmish.
Nah..it was fight club. We didn't get a chance to fight any of the LOI corps. |
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Posted - 2013.07.21 00:40:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:Sorry to tell guys but if only A team on each alliance side can play PC we got a real problem, where is the fun or the enjoyment of it for the 99,5% other
No....it's not about only playing A teams. It's about matching up your opposition's A team with one of your own. Each side has B teams and C teams, etc, etc. There could have been a lot more battles going on where everyone would have been able to play.
There are a lot of districts with overlapping timers that B teams from both sides could have brawled over. |
Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:39:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:OP's Dirty Secret wrote: Doug and 0TryHard played against us...so they must be out there somewhere. Wow. Ill take your word on it, but it's weird, I totally thought they left for good like markof22 kept saying. Did they win? When was this? During the war? I heard they only played 3 battles in the 5 day skirmish.
Nah..it was fight club. We didn't get a chance to fight any of the LOI corps. War is over for the most part, but there is nothing stopping you from playing 1-3 matches against any of those guys. We might have gotten a little carried away with pro hic.
I'm not butthurt..just saying we didn't fight LOI. |
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:41:00 -
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Was funny reading them going at each other, right? You can almost imagine the convo in real life |
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