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I the new bonuses they're planning on putting in ASAP are pretty damn sweet.

If balancing is done properly, a change never equates to your favorite thing becoming useless. In a proper balance pass, the only people who have any reason to complain are the people who specced into something that was obviously erroneously superior to everything else and expected that to never be addressed :P

Rule 1 of MMO- Never spec into the 'most powerful' thing. Because it's going to get nerfed. Spec into the second most powerful thing. because it won't! :)

As-is, Logi players have absolutely no reason to as for a respec, because not only are these changes /temporary/, but the new bonuses they're planning on putting in ASAP are pretty damn sweet.

So, while I can see the OP's logic, and can honestly say CCP's never done a /proper/ balancing pass like I mentioned above... I can say that this round of changes are among the most promising they've yet to release.

If balancing is done properly, a change never equates to your favorite thing becoming useless. In a proper balance pass, the only people who have any reason to complain are the people who specced into something that was obviously erroneously superior to everything else and expected that to never be addressed :P

Rule 1 of MMO- Never spec into the 'most powerful' thing. Because it's going to get nerfed. Spec into the second most powerful thing. because it won't! :)

As-is, Logi players have absolutely no reason to as for a respec, because not only are these changes /temporary/, but the new bonuses they're planning on putting in ASAP are pretty damn sweet.

So, while I can see the OP's logic, and can honestly say CCP's never done a /proper/ balancing pass like I mentioned above... I can say that this round of changes are among the most promising they've yet to release.

Ok, what of my case? I was gallente assault, then I used my optional respec to get into caldari assault so that I could have the +10% reload speed for my PLC(I believe this is important to factor in) They are changing it in 1.3. What is yout suggestion?

Pretty much wait another 4 weeks until 1.4... Like we're all forced to.

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I'll just point your attention to the Breach assault rifle and SMG. Once mighty, brought low. :)

Which doesn't address the current usage of the mainline AR at all. But hehe, it was a good attempt I guess. SMG, lol.

2 weapons, in pub matches, outnumber in usage the other 10 weapons available to light/medium suits combined. The first of those weapons, the AR is used more than twice as often as the second, the sniper rifle.

Put more simply, the AR kills almost as much as all other 11 weapons available to light/medium suits combined.

Your argument was that ARs have always been OP and never nerfed. That claim was blatantly false.

In the distant past, the Breach AR was OP, and no other variant of the weapon had the same excessive power. It got nerfed massively, and still hasn't been addressed in any real way since.

For a while after the Breach nerf, the Tac AR was OP, then it got 3 nerfs when any 1 would have fixed the problem. Unlike the Breach, which even the users agreed had been OP, the Tac had a lot of supporters who asked for it to be made into a viable weapon again (mainly because it was one of only two non-sniper weapons with anything resembling decent sights at the time). It got the requested buff, and then some, and became OP again. Then it got a balance pass (kind of like a nerf, but less likely to turn the weapon into another Breach).

And I love how you're laughing at the SMG. You obviously never saw the days when the Breach SMG was more dangerous at longer range than the standard AR. And no, I'm not exaggerating. It was the closest thing the game had to a counter for the Breach AR when that was OP.

Basic Assault Rifles (not the variants) have consistently been a relatively well-balanced weapon. There has literally always been something better than them EVERY step of the way. Often that's been one of the AR variants, but as mentioned, those keep getting nerfed soon after they become OP.

He's mad because he is specced into flaylock pistols at the moment (most of his corp too). Played 2 matches (skirmishes) against your corp last week and it was nothing but protos and flaylocks. If I remember correctly you were using proto ARs and flaylocks.

If balancing is done properly, a change never equates to your favorite thing becoming useless. In a proper balance pass, the only people who have any reason to complain are the people who specced into something that was obviously erroneously superior to everything else and expected that to never be addressed :P

Rule 1 of MMO- Never spec into the 'most powerful' thing. Because it's going to get nerfed. Spec into the second most powerful thing. because it won't! :)

As-is, Logi players have absolutely no reason to as for a respec, because not only are these changes /temporary/, but the new bonuses they're planning on putting in ASAP are pretty damn sweet.

So, while I can see the OP's logic, and can honestly say CCP's never done a /proper/ balancing pass like I mentioned above... I can say that this round of changes are among the most promising they've yet to release.

If balancing is done properly, a change never equates to your favorite thing becoming useless. In a proper balance pass, the only people who have any reason to complain are the people who specced into something that was obviously erroneously superior to everything else and expected that to never be addressed :P

Rule 1 of MMO- Never spec into the 'most powerful' thing. Because it's going to get nerfed. Spec into the second most powerful thing. because it won't! :)

As-is, Logi players have absolutely no reason to as for a respec, because not only are these changes /temporary/, but the new bonuses they're planning on putting in ASAP are pretty damn sweet.

So, while I can see the OP's logic, and can honestly say CCP's never done a /proper/ balancing pass like I mentioned above... I can say that this round of changes are among the most promising they've yet to release.

I'm not mad and you don't know my corp mates (I don't need to speak for them because I don't need to).

I can use any weapon to kill anyone that I already kill (If that's the expression). Like I said with the "Imperfect" example.

CCP made the respec and I skill into the flaylock and the scramble rifle just because they were new and I just wanted to try new stuff. I spend some days to learn how to use them and that's it. It's funny because I don't get die so much by a flaylcok as a forge gun (I don't think forge gun are op neither) or sniper rifles. Maybe people need to learn how to jump for example.

I can kill some guys with a flaylock as a scramble pistol, as any weapon. But if I'm playing against Aqua-Regia (who I think it's awesome) for example, I won't kill him with a flaylock, with a HAV, or with an atomic bomb.

So what exactly is your complaint (you're not specced into a cal logi)? If ccp is nerfing flaylocks then you should have no problem taking people out with other guns . So you and your corp mates just happened to be testing flaylock pistols in those skirmishes. I play against your corp all the time and it is nothing but flaylock spam. You cannot jump over the explosion (tired of seeing this), I have tried and it does not work. The difference between a sniper rifle/forge gun and the flaylock is that you can't spam them and you need to be on target (not close enough, forge gun/sniper give you enough time to run).

@Kato Ymmij: I wasn't complaing lol. I was talking basically about CCP behavior (which I think it's not cool) with the players while I practice my english

Edited: complaint ------> complaing

Regarding Rule 1: Unless that MMO is AR 514