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        |  DJINN leukoplast
 Hellstorm Inc
 League of Infamy
 
 772
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:08:00 -
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 Quoted from the dev blog:
 
 
 Quote:As mentioned above, these skill changes are largely to discourage assault-focused players from using the Logistics suit as their frontline choice. 
 Ok, so what does this mean for all the previous assault players that went to the Calogi?
 
 1. Actually use the suit for logistics purposes only. This might work for a few but lets face it, if we are assaults, then that is what we like doing.
 
 2. Stop using the calogi suit and spec into the basic assault class (which is based off the caldari assault specs). I believe for the basic frame I had to get it to level 3, and to get level 5 might be another million SP or so (not sure, don't have the specs in front of me). Either way it's going to cost a pretty penny to get the basic assault suit to level 5 to use proto, and without racial bonuses... the suits will be garbage.
 
 3. Fully spec into racial assault. Yeah, that's what, 5 million SP or so? Don't know too many Calogis with that kind of SP laying around. Not to mention that the assault suits still suck since CCP nerfed them at uprising and took their extra equipment slot away in proto.
 
 4. Stick with the Calogi suit and just ride out the nerf as a lesser assault and a crappy logi (probably what most will do).
 
 
 Basically CCP's reasoning for the nerf was to get assault players out of the logi suits, but unless they respec (not going to happen) then what other choice do we have than to stick with the gimped suit? The only thing this accomplishes is keeping new players from specing into logi if they are assault players, but anybody already invested in the suit will be completely screwed.
 
 
 I dunno, maybe this is just CCP's was of telling a lot of the veteran players in the game to GTFO and make room for the new players.
 
 
 
 
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        |  ZDub 303
 TeamPlayers
 EoN.
 
 1031
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:11:00 -
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 DJINN leukoplast wrote:3. Fully spec into racial assault. Yeah, that's what, 5 million SP or so? Don't know too many Calogis with that kind of SP laying around. Not to mention that the assault suits still suck since CCP nerfed them at uprising and took their extra equipment slot away in proto. 
 
 2.47 million SP for cal assault.
 
 Honestly... I think we just need to wait for 1.4 and keep using it as a cal assault until then. I seriously think we'll see a refund in 1.4 when they do a complete rework of the dropsuit bonuses.
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        |  Skipper Jones
 Molon Labe.
 League of Infamy
 
 446
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:12:00 -
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 Or, they were discouraging massive shield tanking. Tanking like that with no movement penalty... was outrageous.
 
 People with that much health and that much speed will obviously be abused as an assault.
 
 They said you can still be a support role, just if you try to rush in like an assault, you'll die.
 
 Stay behind line (As planned) rather than in front of them.
 
 It was a minor nerf that too many people are getting mad about.
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        |  Roofer Madness
 Unkn0wn Killers
 
 55
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:14:00 -
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 This is a very good point. They change the suit just like that to stop abuse but then won't let us change our suit without wasting a month or two of SP. Lame.
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        |  WhiskeyJack Otako
 The Southern Legion
 RISE of LEGION
 
 95
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:14:00 -
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 DJINN leukoplast wrote:Quoted from the dev blog: Quote:As mentioned above, these skill changes are largely to discourage assault-focused players from using the Logistics suit as their frontline choice. Basically CCP's reasoning for the nerf was to get assault players out of the logi suits, but unless they respec (not going to happen) then what other choice do we have than to stick with the gimped suit? The only thing this accomplishes is keeping new players from specing into logi if they are assault players, but anybody already invested in the suit will be completely screwed.  I dunno, maybe this is just CCP's was of telling a lot of the veteran players in the game to GTFO and make room for the new players.  
 
 Haha we have a winner! First QQ for respec after getting nerfed. The tears! The sweet sweet tears!!
 
 How about this. You live with the consequences of your decisions just like everyone else. It's your baby, you made it. You play with it.
 
 Have a nice day. I know I will.
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        |  Sloth9230
 Deepspace Digital
 
 2484
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:14:00 -
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 I hate to be that guy, but.... adapt or die, HTFU
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        |  Knight Soiaire
 Better Hide R Die
 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
 
 1337
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:15:00 -
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 Your number is way off, its nowhere near 5mil SP, its like 2.3mil.
 
 You specced into the Logi Class, and thats what you're getting. Nothing wrong there.
 
 If you really wanted to be Assault, you'd have specced into that, we all knew the Cal Logi would get its Assault abilities removed.
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        |  Iron Wolf Saber
 Den of Swords
 
 6235
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:15:00 -
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 Or maybe that the word of caution from months ago should have been heeded. The signs were there and omen foretold of such a change long ago and some folks blatantly ignored that.
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        |  Kador Ouryon
 Dead Six Initiative
 Lokun Listamenn
 
 141
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:16:00 -
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 DJINN leukoplast wrote:Quoted from the dev blog: Quote:As mentioned above, these skill changes are largely to discourage assault-focused players from using the Logistics suit as their frontline choice. Ok, so what does this mean for all the previous assault players that went to the Calogi? 1. Actually use the suit for logistics purposes only. This might work for a few but lets face it, if we are assaults, then that is what we like doing.  2. Stop using the calogi suit and spec into the basic assault class (which is based off the caldari assault specs). I believe for the basic frame I had to get it to level 3, and to get level 5 might be another million SP or so (not sure, don't have the specs in front of me). Either way it's going to cost a pretty penny to get the basic assault suit to level 5 to use proto, and without racial bonuses... the suits will be garbage.  3. Fully spec into racial assault. Yeah, that's what, 5 million SP or so? Don't know too many Calogis with that kind of SP laying around. Not to mention that the assault suits still suck since CCP nerfed them at uprising and took their extra equipment slot away in proto.  4. Stick with the Calogi suit and just ride out the nerf as a lesser assault and a crappy logi (probably what most will do).  Basically CCP's reasoning for the nerf was to get assault players out of the logi suits, but unless they respec (not going to happen) then what other choice do we have than to stick with the gimped suit? The only thing this accomplishes is keeping new players from specing into logi if they are assault players, but anybody already invested in the suit will be completely screwed.  I dunno, maybe this is just CCP's was of telling a lot of the veteran players in the game to GTFO and make room for the new players.  No it was that you shouldn't have specced into one role to exploit how clearly imbalanced it was all so you could tout you MLG bullshit and spend all of your time pubstomping when are where you saw fit.
 
 As you probably knew being a vet, CCP always fixes its mistakes.
 
 They fixed a suit that was not designed to run the role of front line combatant and made it more fragile.
 
 What is the issue with that, you can still tank well and run your assault rifles cant you? Its about damn time the broken bonus of the Cal Logi was seen to and fixed.
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        |  Sloth9230
 Deepspace Digital
 
 2484
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:17:00 -
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 WhiskeyJack Otako wrote:First QQ for respec after getting nerfed.  Hardly
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        |  Kalante Schiffer
 Hellstorm Inc
 League of Infamy
 
 346
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:17:00 -
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 LOL i have both suits.
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        |  Roofer Madness
 Unkn0wn Killers
 
 56
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:19:00 -
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 Kalante Schiffer wrote:LOL i have both suits. 
 Me too. And my friend has the Amar Logi. What a dev blog it was for us!
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        |  WhiskeyJack Otako
 The Southern Legion
 RISE of LEGION
 
 95
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:21:00 -
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 Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Or maybe that the word of caution from months ago should have been heeded. The signs were there and omen foretold of such a change long ago and some folks blatantly ignored that.  
 
 Now I'm really having a great day.
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        |  DJINN leukoplast
 Hellstorm Inc
 League of Infamy
 
 773
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:22:00 -
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 Kador Ouryon wrote:
 As you probably knew being a vet, CCP always fixes its mistakes.
 
 
 
 Hmm... not exactly how I remember things.
 
 If they fixed their mistake of making the assault class so unappealing to assault players, then this wouldn't have been an issue.
 
 I would gladly go back to assault if it had it's extra equipment slot back in proto. And now that it will get the shield bonus, it would be exactly what it should have been from the start.
 
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        |  BARDAS
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
 190
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:25:00 -
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 No respecs will be granted is confirmed.
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        |  Fist Groinpunch
 Goonfeet
 Top Men.
 
 17
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:27:00 -
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 DJINN leukoplast wrote:Kador Ouryon wrote:
 As you probably knew being a vet, CCP always fixes its mistakes.
 
 
 Hmm... not exactly how I remember things. If they fixed their mistake of making the assault class so unappealing to assault players, then this wouldn't have been an issue.  I would gladly go back to assault if it had it's extra equipment slot back in proto. And now that it will get the shield bonus, it would be exactly what it should have been from the start.  
 Guess you should have stuck with the assault suit instead of hopping on the Cal Logi Assault bandwagon huh. At least you had some good times in that suit. But now it's time to man up and pay the bill.
 
 With your many many tears.
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        |  WyrmHero1945
 SyNergy Gaming
 EoN.
 
 467
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:32:00 -
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 Knight Soiaire wrote:Your number is way off, its nowhere near 5mil SP, its like 2.3mil.
 You specced into the Logi Class, and thats what you're getting. Nothing wrong there.
 
 If you really wanted to be Assault, you'd have specced into that, we all knew the Cal Logi would get its Assault abilities removed.
 
 LOL you say "2.3 million" like it's a small number. 1~2 months grind for a new suit with a suit you don't want anymore. I see many players getting frustrated, bored and simply quitting Dust.
 
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        |  Knight Soiaire
 Better Hide R Die
 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
 
 1340
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:35:00 -
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 WyrmHero1945 wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Your number is way off, its nowhere near 5mil SP, its like 2.3mil.
 You specced into the Logi Class, and thats what you're getting. Nothing wrong there.
 
 If you really wanted to be Assault, you'd have specced into that, we all knew the Cal Logi would get its Assault abilities removed.
 LOL you say "2.3 million" like it's a small number. 1~2 months grind for a new suit with a suit you don't want anymore. I see many players getting frustrated, bored and simply quitting Dust. 
 I know its a big number, but as I said we pretty much all saw this coming.
 
 If you didn't spec into Assault knowing these changes would come, its your fault, no one elses.
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        |  Chunky Munkey
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 833
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.18 23:38:00 -
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 DJINN leukoplast wrote:
 
 Basically CCP's reasoning for the nerf was to get assault players out of the logi suits, but unless they respec (not going to happen) then what other choice do we have than to stick with the gimped suit? The only thing this accomplishes is keeping new players from specing into logi if they are assault players, but anybody already invested in the suit will be completely screwed.
 
 
 I dunno, maybe this is just CCP's was of telling a lot of the veteran players in the game to GTFO and make room for the new players.
 
 
 
 
 
 Or maybe, just maybe, this is CCP telling you not to spec into a logi suit if you're not a logi.
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        |  Cinnamon267
 The Southern Legion
 RISE of LEGION
 
 86
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.19 04:22:00 -
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 Chunky Munkey wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:
 
 Basically CCP's reasoning for the nerf was to get assault players out of the logi suits, but unless they respec (not going to happen) then what other choice do we have than to stick with the gimped suit? The only thing this accomplishes is keeping new players from specing into logi if they are assault players, but anybody already invested in the suit will be completely screwed.
 
 
 I dunno, maybe this is just CCP's was of telling a lot of the veteran players in the game to GTFO and make room for the new players.
 
 
 
 
 Or maybe, just maybe, this is CCP telling you not to spec into a logi suit if you're not a logi. 
 That. And stop picking "flavour of the month" builds.
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        |  Killar-12
 Greatness Achieved Through Training
 EoN.
 
 223
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.19 04:34:00 -
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 DJINN leukoplast wrote:Quoted from the dev blog: Quote:As mentioned above, these skill changes are largely to discourage assault-focused players from using the Logistics suit as their frontline choice. Ok, so what does this mean for all the previous assault players that went to the Calogi? 1. Actually use the suit for logistics purposes only. This might work for a few but lets face it, if we are assaults, then that is what we like doing.  2. Stop using the calogi suit and spec into the basic assault class (which is based off the caldari assault specs). I believe for the basic frame I had to get it to level 3, and to get level 5 might be another million SP or so (not sure, don't have the specs in front of me). Either way it's going to cost a pretty penny to get the basic assault suit to level 5 to use proto, and without racial bonuses... the suits will be garbage.  3. Fully spec into racial assault. Yeah, that's what, 5 million SP or so? Don't know too many Calogis with that kind of SP laying around. Not to mention that the assault suits still suck since CCP nerfed them at uprising and took their extra equipment slot away in proto.  4. Stick with the Calogi suit and just ride out the nerf as a lesser assault and a crappy logi (probably what most will do).  Basically CCP's reasoning for the nerf was to get assault players out of the logi suits, but unless they respec (not going to happen) then what other choice do we have than to stick with the gimped suit? The only thing this accomplishes is keeping new players from specing into logi if they are assault players, but anybody already invested in the suit will be completely screwed.  I dunno, maybe this is just CCP's was of telling a lot of the veteran players in the game to GTFO and make room for the new players.  Well Negitive Nancy...It works as a logi suit, not well maybe give it 4 equipment slots for the price of a low slot.
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        |  Viktor Zokas
 187.
 League of Infamy
 
 42
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.19 04:36:00 -
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 ZDub 303 wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:3. Fully spec into racial assault. Yeah, that's what, 5 million SP or so? Don't know too many Calogis with that kind of SP laying around. Not to mention that the assault suits still suck since CCP nerfed them at uprising and took their extra equipment slot away in proto. 
 2.47 million SP for cal assault. Honestly... I think we just need to wait for 1.4 and keep using it as a cal assault until then. I seriously think we'll see a refund in 1.4 when they do a complete rework of the dropsuit bonuses. 
 nope.avi
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        |  RuckingFetard
 Better Hide R Die
 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
 
 453
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.07.19 04:40:00 -
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 WyrmHero1945 wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Your number is way off, its nowhere near 5mil SP, its like 2.3mil.
 You specced into the Logi Class, and thats what you're getting. Nothing wrong there.
 
 If you really wanted to be Assault, you'd have specced into that, we all knew the Cal Logi would get its Assault abilities removed.
 LOL you say "2.3 million" like it's a small number. 1~2 months grind for a new suit with a suit you don't want anymore. I see many players getting frustrated, bored and simply quitting Dust. Apparently, you can't play in Basic Suits while grinding for PRoto suits.
 PS, are you the one by the alt name 'Banned ' something -something?
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