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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:20:00 -
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The changes to the Amarr Logi are great, but as someone who chose the Amarr Assault over the Amarr Logi I am a bit concerned. Let's look at the stats.
Standard: Logi / Assault
Light Weapons: 1/1
Sidearms: 1/1
Highs: 2/2
Lows: 2/1
Equipment: 2/1
PG: 36/35
CPU: 195/175
Armor: 180/180
Shield: 120/180
Conclusion: Standard logi gives up 60 shield in exchange for 1 extra low, 1 extra equipment, 1 extra PG, and 20 extra CPU.
Advanced: Logi / Assault
Light Weapons: 1/1
Sidearms: 1/1
Highs: 3/2
Lows: 3/2
Equipment: 3/1
PG: 49/49
CPU: 273/245
Armor: 180/180
Shield: 120/180
Conclusion: Advanced logi gives up 60 shield in exchange for 1 extra high, 1 extra low, 2 extra equipment, and 28 extra CPU.
Prototype: Logi / Assault
Light Weapons: 1/1
Sidearms: 1/1
Highs: 3/3
Lows: 4/3
Equipment: 3/1
PG: 69/70
CPU: 390/350
Armor: 180/180
Shield: 120/180
Conclusion: Prototype logi gives up 60 shield and 1 PG in exchange for 1 extra low, 2 extra equipment, and 40 extra CPU.
The trade-off is ridiculously imbalanced. Sure you can argue the bonuses, but the Assault's reduction to heat build up is only really important if you are using a laser rifle - even if you are using a scrambler rifle it will only allow you 3 or 4 extra shots, plus shield regen isn't that useful if you aren't going to shield tank. In contrast, logistics gets 5 hp/s armor repair plus a bonus to armor repair modules, which is much better than the assault's bonus.
Only reason I skilled into Assaults instead of Logi was because I wasn't planning on going prototype anytime soon and I need the sidearm. But now? I am NOT asking for a respec, I am asking that you address the assault class. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:02:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:kinda got pissed because i love being a logi more then anything but at the time the assault was the better choice
If they gave the assault a bonus to weapon damage or gave it a second grenade slot it would at least feel like it has a purpose when compared to it's logi counterpart. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:17:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:The Laser Rifle bonus is massive, that extra firing time is while the beam is heated up and in full death ray mode. Once the ADS and the hefty penalty to tracking speed are addressed AmAs LRs should be deadly.
If you're not using LRs then yeah, ain't too much in it apart from the higher than standard fitting for Basics/Assaults.
Are they the same speed? Usually Logi is slower, sure you're not overlooking that?
The LR is already deadly, you can easily see your target through the sights and when you are using it at the proper distance no one is able to outrun even your slower tracking speed. But as I stated, the bonus is only good if you are using the LR and why have a bonus that only has a decent bonus if using a specific weapon?
And yeah the logi is a bit slower. So it trades 60 shield and a little speed for all the extra highs/lows, CPU, and equipment. Still not a fair trade. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:37:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Amarr Assault is still fine. You use it for the heat reduction bonus. Amarr Logi is now how's supposed to be. One more slot was needed because logi suits always have more slots than assault suit. If you aren't using a weapon that has heat build up then there's no reason to use Amarr Assault.
Being able to fire 3 more shots from the scrambler rifle doesn't make it worth a hefty loss in CPU, equipment, and modules. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:40:00 -
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WyrmHero1945 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:WyrmHero1945 wrote:Amarr Assault is still fine. You use it for the heat reduction bonus. Amarr Logi is now how's supposed to be. One more slot was needed because logi suits always have more slots than assault suit. If you aren't using a weapon that has heat build up then there's no reason to use Amarr Assault. Being able to fire 3 more shots from the scrambler rifle doesn't make it worth a hefty loss in CPU, equipment, and modules. But it's great for the Laser Rifle.
Which I admitted in the first post, but why should the bonus only be worth it if you are using one specific weapon? |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:26:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:
Which I admitted in the first post, but why should the bonus only be worth it if you are using one specific weapon?
I think thats the direction CCP wants to go with racials. Gallente get PG/CPU reduction on hybrid weaponry (gallente weapons are hybrid), amarr get bonuses to lazor weaponry (amarr are laser based weapons). Minmatar dont have their weapons yet and caldari got the cast off shield extender buff that everyone hated. Both seem more like placeholders for when they release racial variants.
The difference between this and Gallente's weapon bonus is there are many choices of hybrid weaponry, while for laser weaponry there is only one weapon (the laser rifle) that can take good advantage of it. Yes the scrambler rifle does too but it's only a very minimal effect. It's not worth the trade offs you could of got if you went Amarr Logi. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2652
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:05:00 -
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Dammit necro thread, I've since realized the heat build up is worth every bit of skill points! |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2652
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:29:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Dammit necro thread, I've since realized the heat build up is worth every bit of skill points! Where were you? I missed you tonight, busy. And agreed. Its like having a Heat Sink built into the suit.
I'm on now at 4am, just got up . . .
All those day of staying up late, need a day to recover  |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2652
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:02:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
I tend to balance between the CRD and the ELM rifles. Both are vastly different in application, but ruthlessly effective against the enemies of God.
I run both the CRD and ELM at the same time 
Only time I have to choose between them is when deciding how I wish to smite them! |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:42:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:
I tend to balance between the CRD and the ELM rifles. Both are vastly different in application, but ruthlessly effective against the enemies of God.
I run both the CRD and ELM at the same time Only time I have to choose between them is when deciding how I wish to smite them! I really wanna try out the commando but have revised my dual scrambler idea down to Scrambler + Breach shotgun :) First step, Breach the compound then second step Scramble all of their brains :p
Personally I would never run a shotgun as a commando not only because I'm an Amarr purist but because the commando doesn't have the closing speed to use CQC weapons. |
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