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Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.07.17 23:00:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:By the way, I think ARs offer a lot of variety within themselves. Nobody compares the Scrambler Rifle and the Assault Scrambler Rifle, but for some reason the AR and the TAR are the same thing in people's mind. And then there's the Burst and the Breach AR too.
Right now the stock AR is a tiny bit too good, but otherwise I'm quite happy with the diversity in the game. You just never know what kind of loadout is going to pop around the corner.
all versions except regular suck, they aren't worth discussing. |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
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Posted - 2013.07.17 23:08:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Cosgar wrote:What weaknesses does the AR have compared to other weapons? Which weapon? Surprise me
*busts out CCP's nerf hammer* *nerfs MDs again*
Surprise!  |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
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Posted - 2013.07.17 23:11:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Cosgar wrote:What weaknesses does the AR have compared to other weapons? Which weapon? - shotgun can OHKO with a wider reticle at close range. - sniper rifle, forge gun, laser rifle have obvious range advantage. - CFLP and mass drivers do increased damage to armor - nova knives can OHKO without giving opponent chance to react. - scrambler rifle offers ability to charge for high alpha headshots. - mass drivers are better at assist farming / lolareadenial
All those weapons suck, even in their own niches, the AR might not be the best at anything, but it certainly is second best at everything, and definitely not a true "jack of all trades, master of none" weapon, it simply isn't average enough for that.
Oh, but this fine because they don't have the range of snipers and can't OHKO  |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
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Posted - 2013.07.17 23:23:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Cosgar wrote:What weaknesses does the AR have compared to other weapons? Which weapon? - shotgun can OHKO with a wider reticle at close range. - sniper rifle, forge gun, laser rifle have obvious range advantage. - CFLP and mass drivers do increased damage to armor - nova knives can OHKO without giving opponent chance to react. - scrambler rifle offers ability to charge for high alpha headshots. - mass drivers are better at assist farming / lolareadenial All those weapons suck, even in their own niches, the AR might not be the best at anything, but it certainly is second best at everything, and definitely not a true "jack of all trades, master of none" weapon, it simply isn't average enough for that. Oh, but this fine because they don't have the range of snipers and can't OHKO sniper rifles, forge guns, shotguns and... CFLP suck? 
Okay, okay, snipers and FGS are fine, Shotguns, had their range shortened too much, but are still "usable", CFLP have a confirmed nerf hammer coming in.
And like the shotgun, ARs would still be usable IF they had a few nerfs, but they won't get nerfed.
If we brought the dmg from 34 down to 30, do you really think it would be unusable? |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
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Posted - 2013.07.17 23:41:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:
Oh and I forgot ... in CQC or against armor an SMG is boss compared to the AR
While the SMG does beat AR when it comes to armor, the AR has an even bigger advantage when up against shields.
These aren't real numbers, it's just an example.
An AR does 200 dmg to armor, a SMG does 250
That's a 50 point difference in favor of SMGs
Now shields, an AR does 300 to shields, a SMG does 200
That's a 100 point differnce in favor of ARs
I'd use real numbers but don't feel like logging in
Of course, there are those would claim it's a side-arm and should be inferior, so we'll just have to wait for the combat rifle. |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.07.17 23:49:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:
Oh and I forgot ... in CQC or against armor an SMG is boss compared to the AR
While the SMG does beat AR when it comes to armor, the AR has an even bigger advantage when up against shields. These aren't real numbers, it's just an example. An AR does 200 dmg to armor, a SMG does 250 That's a 50 point difference in favor of SMGs Now shields, an AR does 300 to shields, a SMG does 200 That's a 100 point differnce in favor of ARs I'd use real numbers but don't feel like logging in Of course, there are those would claim it's a side-arm and should be inferior, so we'll just have to wait for the combat rifle. Real numbers: AR +10% shields -10% armor SMG +10% armor... -5% shields
Including their RoF and dmg per shot |
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