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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:43:00 -
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So Zeylon Rho made this feedback/requests thread pointing out that the scrambler rifle's bonus is completely useless for the assault variant (and likely the future breach and burst variants). EVERY OTHER WEAPON's operation bonus helps both the original weapon, AND the variants. Basically the scrambler rifle is being screwed.
Over a month later CCP finally responded, but all they did was clarify that it is not a bug and it was by design. The OP never claimed that it was a bug, nor that it wasn't by design, the OP was claiming that it is a terrible design. They completely missed the point.
The frustrating part is I don't think they'll even look at the thread again no matter how much noise it makes because they think they already addressed the issue. I hope I'm wrong and they did/will actually read the thread and realize their mistake. |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:47:00 -
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I think they understood what the OP meant, but they just didn't care. Not actually hating on CCP this time, the ScR and its variants are all very well balanced compared to other weapons, and I doubt they want to potentially mess it up by changing things around. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:19:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I think they understood what the OP meant, but they just didn't care. Not actually hating on CCP this time, the ScR and its variants are all very well balanced compared to other weapons, and I doubt they want to potentially mess it up by changing things around. Its ultimately their fault for not choosing a sensible bonus before balancing. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
5040
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Posted - 2013.07.17 07:28:00 -
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A cooldown speed bonus would be much better. |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.17 07:40:00 -
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They read the thread. But they probably said "it is by design. bad design, but still, design" and left it like that.
Personally I am fine with it. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
693
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:08:00 -
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So what
He got a reply in a month
When was the last time vehicle users got a response from any dev? |
Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:27:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:So what
He got a reply in a month
When was the last time vehicle users got a response from any dev?
open beta, that's the last time we were directly responded to by the devs |
J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:42:00 -
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There's nothing worse than waiting those last 0.2 seconds for your scrambler rifle to charge...
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:45:00 -
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Wait until 1.3, see if it's changed, and when it hasn't THEN bring it up again. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:51:00 -
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One of the issues with those feedback threads is it distills a great deal of discussion down into a one-line summary. The passive bonus not applying to the Assault Scrambler Rifle is known and it is currently the design of the weapon to have this. This does not mean the weapon will not be changed in the future. In fact, we're going to be rebalancing many of the items in the games in the near future and the Scrambler Rifle and all its variants will be looked at as well, though this does not necessarily mean we will decide to make a change with it.
As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Void Echo
Internal Error. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:52:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:One of the issues with those feedback threads is it distills a great deal of discussion down into a one-line summary. The passive bonus not applying to the Assault Scrambler Rifle is known and it is currently the design of the weapon to have this. This does not mean the weapon will not be changed in the future. In fact, we're going to be rebalancing many of the items in the games in the near future and the Scrambler Rifle and all its variants will be looked at as well, though this does not necessarily mean we will decide to make a change with it.
As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two.
can the damn vehicle players get some feedback on what we need?
seriously, you guys are just ignoring us completely, how about replying to our threads and giving us some hints that you are actually listening to us.... seriously |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:00:00 -
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As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two.
Thank you sir.
Pilot suits too, please? I'll pay you 1,000,000 ISKIES!
--- Remember: IamI3rian told ya. Enemy MCC shields... failed |
J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:13:00 -
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IamI3rian wrote:As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two.
Thank you sir.
Pilot suits too, please? I'll pay you 1,000,000 ISKIES!
--- Remember: IamI3rian told ya. Enemy MCC shields... failed
Pilot suits are pretty much confirmed for 1.3; check the market under light suits. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
586
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:18:00 -
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J-Lewis wrote:There's nothing worse than waiting those last 0.2 seconds for your scrambler rifle to charge... I wonder if anyone who uses the scrambler rifle even fires the charge shot within 0.2 seconds of it finishing the charge. I know I sure as heck don't. |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
302
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:20:00 -
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Well, yeah. I just wanna know what they're gonna do. = )
That 50% cooldown bonus (which is absurd) is something I would waste some SP on. Assuming I get to stomp people with an unstoppable armor tank for a few weeks. = D
--- Remember: IamI3rian told ya. I died a little inside when an article referred to FFX as 'retro gaming.'
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
693
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:21:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:
As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two.
Great
Its taken long enough but finally we may have some news
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Calroon DeVil
Internal Error. League of Infamy
88
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:29:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:One of the issues with those feedback threads is it distills a great deal of discussion down into a one-line summary. The passive bonus not applying to the Assault Scrambler Rifle is known and it is currently the design of the weapon to have this. This does not mean the weapon will not be changed in the future. In fact, we're going to be rebalancing many of the items in the games in the near future and the Scrambler Rifle and all its variants will be looked at as well, though this does not necessarily mean we will decide to make a change with it.
As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two. Did you check how many times you've used "in the near future" in the last couple months? Unless you've got a time machine, I wish you the best of luck achieving any of it. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
586
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:30:00 -
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Calroon DeVil wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:One of the issues with those feedback threads is it distills a great deal of discussion down into a one-line summary. The passive bonus not applying to the Assault Scrambler Rifle is known and it is currently the design of the weapon to have this. This does not mean the weapon will not be changed in the future. In fact, we're going to be rebalancing many of the items in the games in the near future and the Scrambler Rifle and all its variants will be looked at as well, though this does not necessarily mean we will decide to make a change with it.
As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two. Did you check how many times you've used "in the near future" in the last couple months? Unless you've got a time machine, I wish you the best of luck achieving any of it. CCP's "in the near future" means "1 month to 3 years." |
Krasymptimo
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:30:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:One of the issues with those feedback threads is it distills a great deal of discussion down into a one-line summary. The passive bonus not applying to the Assault Scrambler Rifle is known and it is currently the design of the weapon to have this. This does not mean the weapon will not be changed in the future. In fact, we're going to be rebalancing many of the items in the games in the near future and the Scrambler Rifle and all its variants will be looked at as well, though this does not necessarily mean we will decide to make a change with it.
As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two. can the damn vehicle players get some feedback on what we need? seriously, you guys are just ignoring us completely, how about replying to our threads and giving us some hints that you are actually listening to us.... seriously
And I'm sure a sweeping statement is just the way for you guys to persuade them to listen more, They have been listening, they have said they have been listening, you just haven't remembered. |
J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:33:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:J-Lewis wrote:There's nothing worse than waiting those last 0.2 seconds for your scrambler rifle to charge... I wonder if anyone who uses the scrambler rifle even fires the charge shot within 0.2 seconds of it finishing the charge. I know I sure as heck don't. As a scrambler rifle user, I can tell you that when I do charge, I also take extra time to aim: to make sure the shot lands. Missing a charged shot is such a punishing thing with the SR (due to the heat) that the charge time is a non factor in the decision to charge or not.
The decision is always: "Do I have enough time to aim my charge shot?"
The charge shot is also useful to shoot beyond your effective range, into absolute range. But even then the question is never about charge time, because aiming at 100m with a RDS is hard and so you still take longer to aim than charge.
So yeah; the charge bonus isn't just useless on the assault variant, it's also useless on the regular SR.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
5041
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:41:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:One of the issues with those feedback threads is it distills a great deal of discussion down into a one-line summary. The passive bonus not applying to the Assault Scrambler Rifle is known and it is currently the design of the weapon to have this. This does not mean the weapon will not be changed in the future. In fact, we're going to be rebalancing many of the items in the games in the near future and the Scrambler Rifle and all its variants will be looked at as well, though this does not necessarily mean we will decide to make a change with it.
As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two. That sounds like a customer support automated response. You're basically just saying "it may or may not change, sometimes between 1 day to 10 yrs"; such a statement doesn't convey any meaning. Also, the bolded underlined part, you're just stating the obvious and once again completely missing the point; no one is disputing that its the design of the weapon, and we know that you guys know about it. Once again, that isn't the point.
Let me make it clear again, WE KNOW ITS THE INTENDED DESIGN. No one is disputing that its the intended design. We're saying the design is bad. |
J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
208
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:47:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:One of the issues with those feedback threads is it distills a great deal of discussion down into a one-line summary. The passive bonus not applying to the Assault Scrambler Rifle is known and it is currently the design of the weapon to have this. This does not mean the weapon will not be changed in the future. In fact, we're going to be rebalancing many of the items in the games in the near future and the Scrambler Rifle and all its variants will be looked at as well, though this does not necessarily mean we will decide to make a change with it.
As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two. That sounds like a customer support automated response. Also, the bolded underlined part, you're just stating the obvious and once again completely missing the point; no one is disputing that its the design of the weapon, and we know that you guys know about it. Once again, that isn't the point.
Yes but changing the bonus would mean touching the skill tree. |
Razor Signal
Wraith Company
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:52:00 -
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You guys make my soul hurt. |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:13:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:One of the issues with those feedback threads is it distills a great deal of discussion down into a one-line summary. The passive bonus not applying to the Assault Scrambler Rifle is known and it is currently the design of the weapon to have this. This does not mean the weapon will not be changed in the future. In fact, we're going to be rebalancing many of the items in the games in the near future and the Scrambler Rifle and all its variants will be looked at as well, though this does not necessarily mean we will decide to make a change with it.
As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two.
*Sniff Sniff*
You smell that? I smell CCP caving in under the tidal wave of tank cry baby tears.
Everyone better prepare themselves for Tanks 514. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2539
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:17:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:One of the issues with those feedback threads is it distills a great deal of discussion down into a one-line summary. The passive bonus not applying to the Assault Scrambler Rifle is known and it is currently the design of the weapon to have this. This does not mean the weapon will not be changed in the future. In fact, we're going to be rebalancing many of the items in the games in the near future and the Scrambler Rifle and all its variants will be looked at as well, though this does not necessarily mean we will decide to make a change with it.
As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two. All I'll say is this:
Please, if you haven't already locked the content for the blog, PLEASE do what Team True Grit did at the end of theirs, and give us some future or even far-future projections.
I mean, they said before and after that they had no time frame, and that they just wanted to throw that stuff out there, and there were a couple threads in this section calling it the best DevBlog you guys have released so far.
I don't care what it is you put on the end of that thing, as long as it's something farther out to give a sense of perspective and what we can look forward to. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2539
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Posted - 2013.07.17 13:00:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:One of the issues with those feedback threads is it distills a great deal of discussion down into a one-line summary. The passive bonus not applying to the Assault Scrambler Rifle is known and it is currently the design of the weapon to have this. This does not mean the weapon will not be changed in the future. In fact, we're going to be rebalancing many of the items in the games in the near future and the Scrambler Rifle and all its variants will be looked at as well, though this does not necessarily mean we will decide to make a change with it.
As for vehicles, we'll be saying something about them in the next day or two. *Sniff Sniff* You smell that? I smell CCP caving in under the tidal wave of tank cry baby tears. Everyone better prepare themselves for Tanks 514. Yeah, because what anyone that uses HAVs clearly wants is for the game to now be unbalanced in their favor out of some kind of petty lust for revenge.
Okay. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:21:00 -
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I guess this explains those recent upvotes. To add, I think there's an understanding (after it was clarified) that the current state of affairs is "by design". The larger question is "why?" Why have you introduced a mechanic/skill that is clearly not balanced with respect to the skills of other weapons. "Why" did you design something with an intentional imbalance? That's the only way you can look at having one specific weapon type lacking any benefit from a skill. |
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