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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.20 05:34:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Respectfully, soldier, I can half agree, but only half. War is not a clean or a tidy thing, but it can be ... purer, or less pure.
As a scout, much of my work flies in the face of conventional honor. I am fast, and quiet, but fragile; if I fight straight, I most often lose. Therefore, I do not fight straight. My explosives detonating your squad mate at a crucial point, then my nova knife in your spine when you try to succeed where he failed, is the essence of my work.
Honor, there, consists in faithfully doing what I must to fulfill my contract.
The difference in "purity" is exemplified by two current, basic options in SMG construction rights: the 'Syndicate' SMG and the 'Toxin.'
Either of the two is equally priced, equally effective, and requires equivalent dropsuit resources for support. The differences are: paint job (Syndicate in red, Toxin in green), history, and special payload.
The Syndicate is historically a criminal's weapon, yet I would describe it as far the more "pure." The Toxin, you see, fires slugs doped to turn your blood-borne nanites against you. This may be intended to disable clone soldiers more effectively, but since the burst that pierces dropsuit armor ordinarily produces a mortal wound anyway, the net effect is mere suffering.
Have you ever found yourself thrashing in agony after an SMG burst pierces your armor, horribly aware of your slowly liquefying organs? That is the Toxin at work.
I have neither room nor patience for the sort of honor that will stand in the way of me doing my job, but, if I kill you, soldier, it will be as cleanly as my methods have room for. It's nothing personal; you are simply in my way. I have no special reason to make you suffer for that-- only to remove you as an obstacle.
That is my sense, at least, of where honor lies in our line of work.
I have to agree with her here, our methods are largely the same, if they vary slightly in equipment. Being a scout you are fragile, but quick on your feet and hard to detect. Even with my shotgun, most of my engagements with people are either from the back or far away when an unsuspecting person walked on my explosives. I believe largely in the same things as Yun, and while we have yet to be contracted to fight on the same side(or the opposing sides), I can respect her methods.
Honor for me, is doing what I was paid to do faithfully, and with as little pain as possible. Yes, I know that my shotgun shoots superhot plasma encased in a magnetic shell that upon penetration literally melts the target's armor and leaves them slowly burning, I know how agonizing that can feel as you feel your face disintegrate as the plasma penetrated your helmet and you lie on the ground helpless. You try to scream but the plasma burned through your throat, and all you can do is endure the pain while you slowly die to internal bleeding, the burns instantly cauterize any wounds you have. That is why I want to make sure that the enemies that come in my way are going to be quickly dispatched to minimize their pain, preferably with just a single or a few shots.
Honor is not a completely foreign concept in the battlefield, but it is far from the traditional honor that existed centuries ago, when the best long range weapon you had was a bow and arrow. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.20 08:52:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Well I cannot fathom such a vision. I am assault. Equivalent to the old stories of old earth, the warrior who travels to many lands fighting for his people.
Of course Scouts have no honor. How can they understand such when they don't even walk the path of a warrior? They are merely scouts who infiltrate, morals and code is something that can decrease their combat effectiveness.
I am on the frontline. An assault. You know exactly what you're dealing with when you see me. I have no time for false stories or facades that only serve to quicken my immediate goals.
So of course you wouldn't understand my self chosen duty and honor. I care none the less.
A virus has no purpose if it has no victims. Good luck with your honor when you're lying on the ground dead because you didn't notice that scout sneaking behind you.
And wether you like it or not, you abandoned some of your honor by becoming a clone soldier. You take contracts from people you don't know who tell you to fight an enemy who has not done anything wrong to you personally just so you can get ISK. I don't know what your honor includes, but I don't think it includes killing people just for sport, but arguably that is what we do when taking contracts, because the only thing your enemy has done is take ISK from another person who your contractor didn't like. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.20 10:18:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Harkon Vysarii wrote:Michael Arck wrote: You Intaki always been a confused bunch. Need I remind you of your place, Intaki? Nothing more than New Eden's punching bag. There's no honor for your kind, for your kind has nothing to fall back except for empty promises and wishes. Your exiled perished. Even some sought protection amongst our ranks. But your own paranoia led us to force you from us.
Now you dare speak to me about honor when your kind shown none? You're Gallente's version of the fedo, forced to pick up the trash of New Eden.
How dare you speak to a Caldari about honor when the definition escapes your very creation. I pity you. Your bloodline must be filled with deserters and cowards for you to utter such weak words.
But I digress, The Way guides me. My fortress is such that it is impervious to such childish attempts to envelope me in your ignorance.
Don't anger the Intaki they are an understanding people. Many supported and continue to support the State. Don't anger them???? Don't be such a fool. I am a kind man, but I am not a weak man. That man chose to speak negatively of my beliefs and you come here to tell me don't bite? Yet they are an understanding people? What hypocrites! What's is your bloodline? Who are you to mediate? I am hardly even upset, thank you for your concern regardless Harkon. And I apologize that I have upset you Michael, I was not intending to insult your honor. Where I am from and what my is my heritage is irrelevant to this conversation, I will continue to be a proud Intaki despite your accusations. In fact, you didn't even answer my argument, you just relied on insulting my origins to discredit me.
You believe what you believe in, I am not arguing about that. What I am saying is that honor in the situation we are in now is questionable at best, and I am trying to point you out to the things you are doing yourself that could be considered dishonorable. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.21 05:59:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote: Let me first start off by saying I am a passionate loyal patriot to Caldari and my bloodline. That's not an excuse, it's an acknowledgement. If you understand those who believe in honor, then you should understand why I felt your words insulted me. And insulted is even a strong word that I wouldn't use to describe it. It seems as if you were perplexed by the complexity of it all, which is ironic considering that most people consider me being so loyal to Caldari because of my bloodline, a complexity in itself.
I didn't rely on insults of your origins until I began feeling my belief was being attacked. Several mercenaries had shared their two ISK on the matter and the sentiment were the same from the opposing argument. There's no honor in the work we do. Yet my answer remained the same, that I do have honor in the work I do. That's is where it all broke down. You cannot convince me nor anyone else to think differently. So as you persisted to prod my beliefs, I increasingly grew tired of it.
I have grown to experience many harsh realities. Harsh realities and often comments of utter disdain for being a Caldari and for having my bloodline. Disdain for our methods. Our beliefs. Our will. Just look and listen. Hear them speak softly with whispers with words that wishes death upon the Caldari.
I understand what you're trying to do but that's where our communication breaks down. I am true to my Caldari way. I am stern and stubborn. Nothing you can say or do change my beliefs until I, myself, come to the epiphany.
I am more than open to set aside these differences and come to the a conclusion that we feel differently.
Perhaps I was a fool for trying to convince you otherwise to begin with, I apologize. As I said, my intentions were not to insult your honor or your faith, it is near impossible to move a tree with its roots dug deep into the ground, I realize that now.
Far too often I see the people here stubbornly arguing how what they believe in is the best possible belief, Gallente, Caldari, Amarr and Minmatar alike. I am not saying that your faith is flawed or incorrect, what I have been trying to do here is to make others realize that their faith and ideals aren't the be all end all of everything and the only way, everything has it's merits, and it's flaws when compared to other faiths and ideals.
I believe that there are many paths leading to the top of the mountain, not just one. Some might be longer, some shorter. Some might be easier, some harder. What path you choose does not matter in my opinion, but that you complete your journey to the top and not stray off the path.
But I digress, the only thing we're probably going to agree here is that we disagree, and I'll leave it at that before I cause further enrage. Prataya yavati, sarumin Arck. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.21 09:47:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote: Take no offense to these words but realize the truth, you wish to detach people from their faiths/beliefs yet wanting those to respect your belief as the absolute.
What gives you the right? It is unfair to the person that you impose this upon. Think on that. Think of the Amarr who enslaved the Minmatar. Ask the Amarr, and they will tell you it was the will of God, the reclaiming. To bring light into darkness. Ask the Minmatar of the reasoning and they would say control, to use their people as workers and soldiers of their empire.
So in closing, I harbor no ill will.
((I really should start thinking these things through properly, this is not what I tried to convey from my message. Sorry for the despiness >.<)) |
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