DUST Search - Officially denouncing my so-called "Freedom"

True Adamance wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Xavier, you speak of some ideal world that does not exist. Truth is everything that we do has some effect on others. You may think if you keep drugs, alcohol, and prostitution to yourself you are not harming anyone, but these horrible actions are like diseases and they spread. Just look at the facts,

Children under 12 having tried drugs in the last month
Gallente - 33%
Amarr - 1%

Children 13-17 having tried drugs in the last month
Gallente - 71%
Amarr - 5%

Children exposed to drugs in the home in the last month
Gallente - 83%
Amarr - 2%

These are reports from seven years ago, just imagine how much more these behaviors have spread. Do not think that this is not harming your society and your people.

Within the Federation, you raise people under the idea of liberty for the self, indulgence for the self, and a strong focus in self-interest. What this results in is a society built around selfishness, where every decision is made without consideration for the well being of others, where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, where racial discrimination can thrive.

Whether or not you admit it Xavier this is you culture. You cannot be in the middle here. To deny your very own people, and their outlooks, you culture is to weaken you stance when you criticise anothers culture.


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Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 94	Posted - 2013.07.16 04:15:00 - [1] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: Goodbye my ex-galletean brethren,remember you did have freedom in federation.look what you think when you arrive in ammarian empire and harrasment starts He's a willing convert to the Amarrian faith, and a clone soldier besides. This does not seem like a combination likely to draw harassment from the Amarr.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 179	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:24:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Xavier, you speak of some ideal world that does not exist. Truth is everything that we do has some effect on others. You may think if you keep drugs, alcohol, and prostitution to yourself you are not harming anyone, but these horrible actions are like diseases and they spread. Just look at the facts, Children under 12 having tried drugs in the last month Gallente - 33% Amarr - 1% Children 13-17 having tried drugs in the last month Gallente - 71% Amarr - 5% Children exposed to drugs in the home in the last month Gallente - 83% Amarr - 2% These are reports from seven years ago, just imagine how much more these behaviors have spread. Do not think that this is not harming your society and your people. Within the Federation, you raise people under the idea of liberty for the self, indulgence for the self, and a strong focus in self-interest. What this results in is a society built around selfishness, where every decision is made without consideration for the well being of others, where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, where racial discrimination can thrive. Whether or not you admit it Xavier this is you culture. You cannot be in the middle here. To deny your very own people, and their outlooks, you culture is to weaken you stance when you criticise anothers culture. I have to say, Templar Commander, that I'm curious about the provenance and underlying meaning of those numbers. A mild medical pain reliever is a "drug." So is an anti-fungal or a cough suppressant.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 179	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:39:00 - [3] - Quote Xavier Hastings wrote: Selfishness? Greed? They are both good. [...] Perhaps a Caldari could help me with this one? Even though they do take this principal too far... Greed makes the world go round. Money makes the world go round. It is an incentive. Why would I create a business? To make money. Not to help. Not to give my product away. But for money, is all. How is this bad? How is someone making the economy stronger by creating new private businesses? What is the matter with self-interest? What is the matter with selfishness? Nothing, as long as it does not harm another. Mr. Hastings, you ... misunderstand, rather badly. The Caldari State has been described as a capitalist melee, but the corporations are also governing entities. Caldari citizenship is corporate-- one is normally a "citizen" of one's employer. There is no outside entity that looks out for the well-being of the Caldari people. The problem with selfishness is that it inspires corporate leaders to take shameless advantage of this situation by undermining the corporate meritocracy in the name of protecting their own power and their descendants. This, coupled with abuse of their power over the technician and laborer castes, led to the "Brothers of Freedom" incident in which New Eden first learned the name, "Tibus Heth." The Caldari leadership, selected on merit, rules for the good of those it rules over. For this, the State's leaders are rewarded well. It is when they believe they owe the Caldari they rule over nothing, and that they can do as they please in search of their own self-interest, that the system becomes unstable-- and the people rise. When that happens, the result is not good for the Gallente: the technician and laborer castes, contrary to what (somehow still) seems to be common belief among outsiders, are often among the most conservative of the Caldari. When they rise, it is not to embrace the new, but to enforce the old. As the Caldari say, "The Winds care about us, not about you or me." The individual is only a means to an end, not an end in itself-- not even its own.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 180	Posted - 2013.08.11 04:16:00 - [4] - Quote Xavier Hastings wrote: This is quite interesting. Thank you for this tidbit of information. My pleasure. The whole thing will make the most sense if you analogize it to an isolated bronze or iron-age community in a cold climate readying for winter, which is what Caldari culture is fairly directly descended from. Assume that the cold is not the only enemy, mind you: the community must be both well provisioned and well-fortified to hold off not only cold and hunger, but also more sapient dangers. Consider: * The community survives or starves primarily as a unit. Individuals cannot be taken greatly into account. Those of higher merit may be awarded greater comforts as reward for their service, but not in ways that reduce the preparedness of the whole. * Military strength is as important as wealth. Each is important for the purpose it serves, not for its own sake. * No one will survive if the whole does not; to survive cold and starvation alone is only to live to be murdered by bandits, with no one to guard one's back. The one who hoards food and supplies is not only a thief but a blind fool, an enemy to the community to be disciplined, cast out, or killed outright. * Those who are of no value to the community cannot be sustained at community expense, and will be cast out to fend for themselves. * The welfare of outsiders is beyond the community's concern, so the conduct of the community's traders will often be ruthless-- if, perhaps, basically honorable (though not out of a sense of responsibility to strangers; they must keep next year's trades in mind, as well). * Interference from outside that interferes with the community's well-practiced preparedness routine is profoundly unwelcome. I'm a bit tired, so I'm probably overlooking a few points, but this is broadly the mentality that the Caldari bring to their doings, both among themselves and with the rest of New Eden. They consider life a test of worth-- worthiness to survive, and they are determined to pass. This, to them, is just the nature of the universe. They forever seek the strength to always see another year, and woe to that which stands in their way.
Yun Hee Ryeon Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 183	Posted - 2013.08.11 15:52:00 - [5] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Xavier Hastings wrote: I actually have no quarrels with the Caldari. The war between us should of been solved peacefully. But, alas, it was not meant to be. Interestingly enough, the Gallente were the ones who initiated the violence. Playing off of what Mister Fett has just said, the Federation is all about personal liberty except when you use that liberty to leave. Who started what really depends on your point of view.