I was wondering when the first powerhungry and insane clone soldier would appear, just as Yun predicted. Honestly I'm not surprised that it's Gallentean.

You can argue that clone soldiers are capsuleers are on no one's side, and fight only for their own interests. Sure, there are the few who show loyalty to a cause, but you can't deny the fact that the majority of clone soldier show their loyalty to ISK. That is why I am concerned, as that path can soon lead to madness, as Void has already demonstrated.

And the comment about not being surprised that the first madman is Gallentean was based on the fact that pretty much all Gallenteans here showed religion-like fanaticism to the Federation and were willing to kill every single Amarr and Caldari just cause they hate them, not to mention most of them seemed to have an IQ smaller than their shoe size.

What is the issue with not being allowed to do certain things if they lead to corruption, or debasement, and keep me from despair?

Xavier, you speak of some ideal world that does not exist. Truth is everything that we do has some effect on others. You may think if you keep drugs, alcohol, and prostitution to yourself you are not harming anyone, but these horrible actions are like diseases and they spread. Just look at the facts,

Children under 12 having tried drugs in the last month
Gallente - 33%
Amarr - 1%

Children 13-17 having tried drugs in the last month
Gallente - 71%
Amarr - 5%

Children exposed to drugs in the home in the last month
Gallente - 83%
Amarr - 2%

These are reports from seven years ago, just imagine how much more these behaviors have spread. Do not think that this is not harming your society and your people.

Within the Federation, you raise people under the idea of liberty for theself, indulgence for the self, and a strong focus in self-interest. What this results in is a society built around selfishness, where every decision is made without consideration for the well being of others, where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, where racial discrimination can thrive.

*Gasp*

Propaganda at it's finest!

Oh, and I'm happy that all those children have used drugs. In fact, I worried for the ones who don't. Why is that? Well, medicine has shown to be beneficial to help with sickness or generally support one's well-being.

Again, you know not of what you speak of. The last word anyone would use to describe the Caldari is selfishness, they are all about the better of the whole, not the individual. Their motto is "All for the good of many." Tell me, Xavier, where did you go for your education?

Mr. Hastings, you ... misunderstand, rather badly.

The Caldari State has been described as a capitalist melee, but the corporations are also governing entities. Caldari citizenship is corporate-- one is normally a "citizen" of one's employer. There is no outside entity that looks out for the well-being of the Caldari people.

The problem with selfishness is that it inspires corporate leaders to take shameless advantage of this situation by undermining the corporate meritocracy in the name of protecting their own power and their descendants. This, coupled with abuse of their power over the technician and laborer castes, led to the "Brothers of Freedom" incident in which New Eden first learned the name, "Tibus Heth."

The Caldari leadership, selected on merit, rules for the good of those it rules over. For this, the State's leaders are rewarded well. It is when they believe they owe the Caldari they rule over nothing, and that they can do as they please in search of their own self-interest, that the system becomes unstable-- and the people rise.

When that happens, the result is not good for the Gallente: the technician and laborer castes, contrary to what (somehow still) seems to be common belief among outsiders, are often among the most conservative of the Caldari. When they rise, it is not to embrace the new, but to enforce the old.

As the Caldari say, "The Winds care about us, not about you or me."

The individual is only a means to an end, not an end in itself-- not even its own.

Aye, but as you might not realize, I would not be slaving. I would be fighting for the Amarr, who happen to award very generously. Getting used to the weaponry and the differences in the suit has taken a little while, but I'm getting used to it. And why are you taking offense at my choice to leave? The Gallentte promoted personal liberty, so I used it to leave the Federation. And another thing, the enslaved Minmitar aren't treated as harshly as everyone seems to think. Most teachers are very patient with the Minmitar, and they are well on their way to joining the Empire. Some of the largest and most respect groups in the Empire were once slaves.

Xavier...... Loyal Allies.... you mean a people you openly discriminate against and use as pawns to prevent our Empire turning its gaze to your borders?

But this wise convert speaks the truth. He is wise to have chosen to enter a covenant with God, his soul shall be forever immortalised in our histories, and our soldiers shall stand shoulder to shoulder with him, honoured to fight and die by his side.

Amarr Victor brother, serve with honour, pride, and courage.

Mister Hasting, since you have came to the Summit all you have brought is shouting and laughing at those who do no agree with your logic. Within the summit you are permitted to voice your opinion, but please try to remain civil.

"Even if the Federation was high on victory against the State, military leaders knew that opening a second full-scale war against the Amarr Empire would be fatal. Nonetheless, for a long time, the Federation government observed and studied the Minmatar, realizing that they could be used to weaken the Amarr Empire. However, they realized that open action would force hostilities with the Empire, so they were only able to covertly supply the Minmatar rebels with supplies and materiel."


Percieving my Faith to be ignorance only weakens you stance. Against I understand what it is the Gallente are, and for that I condemn them.

What I cannot accept is the Federations actively allowing its people to corrupt their immortal souls and commit heresies in the name of this "freedom" you preach.

(( you also cannot judge Amarrian slavery by the same standards we OOC would judge slavery, in New Eden the Amarr do it for Faith, unity, and to test the the races they enslave to induct them into the Empire))

Why is slavery abhorred?

But it is worth them going through the toil and suffering to reach enlightenment. Only after which may they know true peace and a fulfilled life.

BUt you could be more satisfied with you life correct?

And only in God's service do we know true joy.

Let us not forget that those who live in the slums of the federation are worse off than those in servitude to the Empire.