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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:10:00 -
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Darth Fett123 wrote:As of this moment, I am denouncing my Federation citizenship and converting to the Amarr faith. I have recently seen the light and the error in my ways, and if the Lord would allow me, I would happily help unify New Eden in peace and prosperity. I will be considered a traitor, but the Lord will protect me. Nothing the Gallente can do will harm me now.
Yet another willing convert to the Faith. God is good.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:25:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:You are a traitor of our beloved friends from Minmatar Republic who have long suffered from imperial suppression... This is a sad day for Freedom... Federation will keep to it's promise even more to compensate for your grave error...
Nevertheless, we wish you all the best and coming back one day.
Farewell our Friend...
Veiled threats hidden by civility... don't delude yourself Gallentean you do not view the Matari as friends, only as a means to keep the Empire at bay, as well your reaction to his leaving harkens back the reaction of your Federation when the Caldari left as well. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:53:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Darth Fett123 wrote: I will be considered a traitor, but the Lord will protect me. "The word of the Lord is pure, It is a shield for the faithful, Brought unto men by the Angels, As a guiding light in the darkness " - The Scriptures, Prophet Anoyia 8:15 You are most wise, soldier. You have my blessings on your path to enlightenment.
The words of Prophet Anoyia, so wise and knowing. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.16 01:59:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:You will become a pauper Darth, and a puppet in the hands of Amarr. Expect to be subjected to sublime interrogation and brain washing, stripping you bare of all the freedom you still have... Oh, you calamitous...
That is not how we operate sir. Let the Nation brainwash and manipulate their people, we only ensure that the Faith is kept.
The Amarr may well be harsh in their inquisitions but that is only to ensure he is on the path of a righteous.
Fear not good gallentean, you who converted to God's word, you are now blessed, and shall be richly rewarded in His service. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.16 03:30:00 -
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Darth Fett123 wrote:I have only been welcomed with open arms by the Amarr, whereas my ex-so called brothers have nothing but threats for me. I can see I have made the right choice.
We are often a misunderstood people because of how we view the galaxy. Make no mistake. Our goals are noble and just. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.16 03:53:00 -
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Darth Fett123 wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Goodbye my ex-galletean brethren,remember you did have freedom in federation.look what you think when you arrive in ammarian empire and harrasment starts The only harrasment I have recieved is from you Gallente. If the Amarr inquire of my knowledge and information from life in the Federation, so be it. It is the least I can do for them accepting me so willingly with open arms.
As we do. The Amarrians are not a cruel or oppressive people, we demand the respect we are owed, and kneel before out superiors, such is our duty.
Freedom is in the mind. I am a Templar, and an immortal, I am freed from my previous life where I could only serve the Empire but once. Now I serve it and its people forevermore. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.16 04:53:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Goodbye my ex-galletean brethren,remember you did have freedom in federation.look what you think when you arrive in ammarian empire and harrasment starts He's a willing convert to the Amarrian faith, and a clone soldier besides. This does not seem like a combination likely to draw harassment from the Amarr. Indeed. Converts are always welcome, and that he is an immortal is not just an asset to the empire, but and asset to God himself. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:29:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:Our Friend. Your allegations against Federation are grave indeed.
I have been chastised by my fellow Intaki for being judgmental. Forgive me. We should fully support you in seeking your Light. We've failed. That is most regrettable. Remember that you carry that Light in your Heart wherever your feet may carry you...
Please, before you leave Federation space, can you present us with exhausting evidence for you being harassed by Federation Citizens? We have been presented with bitterness with no substance so far. It may be too late for You to forgive all wrongs done to you but it might prevent others from suffering if all wrongs are pointed, met with justice and righted away. Please do this last favor for Federation in the name of the Light you seek. You simply spouting with insincerity the word of the Intaki faith does not hold sway here Gallentean. I have much respect for those Intaki with the integrity to hold true to their faith, however to me you words ring false.
All you have to do is look through the logs of this summit and you will see this harassment this son of God has faced for following his beliefs. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.16 23:05:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:*Snort* So the Amarr have taken another slave/slaver? Sounds like business as usual. Later traitor, we'll see if your "God" saves you from you from a sudden "Clone Malfunction" upon your next death. I remember not long ago when you were enamoured with out ways.... how could a child of God fall so low? |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.16 23:07:00 -
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Darth Fett123 wrote:Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:Darth Fett123 wrote:(...)Ah yes I quite forgot that practice of newborn babies... unfortunately I am but a clone soldier, so I must rely on technology. Pretty sure the Black Eagles are coming for me, but I'll have a scrambler rifle pointed at the door always. Wait you've said you crossed to Amarr space already. Do BEs operate outside of Federal space now? This is not legal for sure! Not sure, but they do preform lots of Black Ops type missions and reconnaisance. They could be in Amarr space without the Amarr knowing. This is highly unlikely. I have heard claims of terrorist cells activiating in Amarr space, I have heard threats from those cells..... yet no actions by them have been taken. Amarrian space is the most secure space in New Eden. |
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.03 10:46:00 -
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Shattered Mirage wrote:Darth Fett123 wrote:As of this moment, I am denouncing my Federation citizenship and converting to the Amarr faith. I have recently seen the light and the error in my ways, and if the Lord would allow me, I would happily help unify New Eden in peace and prosperity. I will be considered a traitor, but the Lord will protect me. Nothing the Gallente can do will harm me now. Great; I would much rather deal with the Amarr than the Gallente.
God protects his chosen and those that chose him. The Amarr are an open books to those who ask and come to us as friends. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.03 22:31:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:I personally have no problem with the genuine Ammarian religion, I do however kill all fanatics and slavers (without remorse) who use it to justify inhumane acts. So don't become one of them and I'm perfectly fine with this.
No act the Amarr do is inhumane. Again I simply ask you to come up with examples of such in humane acts so that I can explain to you the aspects of my culture that you do not seem to understand. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:15:00 -
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Arc-08 wrote:are you sure you are not making a grave mistake fellow gallentean. For here in the federation, you have freedom of religeon, you don't need to renounce your citizenship, you are welcome to stay here, in this magnificent democracy, yet still have your beliefs. Democracy is a dangerous concept and one inherently flawed.
It may also be to his benefit as ethnic Gallenteans have a reputation around the IGS to be rather ignorant and self important..... |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:29:00 -
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Xavier Hastings\ [quote=True Adamance wrote: Democracy is a dangerous concept and one inherently flawed. Democracy is indeed dangerous. It is not safe. But with true freedom, there cannot be complete safety. It is either one, or the other.
True Safety is oppression. I could be completely safe in a totalitarian Dictatorship, with the bureaucrats telling me what I can or cannot eat, drink, or do. But I choose to be Free. Dangerous that is, yes. But worth it? Yes, so very worth it.[/quote]
You are speaking of a very extreme measure of totalitarianism, or perhaps even dictatorship.
What is the issue with not being allowed to do certain things if they lead to corruption, or debasement, and keep me from despair?
The Amarr live in an Empyric Theocracy. While to you it might look like we are constrained by the tenets of our Faith, or the will of our Empress this is not so. We are freed by those laws. Freed by compliance to the universal laws laid down by the divine.
How can you justify leaving everyman the freedom to suffer, to leave them to the corruptions of New Eden, the heretical teachings of the false prophets, and to let them be fractious and disunified when unity is promised. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.10 22:44:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Xavier, you speak of some ideal world that does not exist. Truth is everything that we do has some effect on others. You may think if you keep drugs, alcohol, and prostitution to yourself you are not harming anyone, but these horrible actions are like diseases and they spread. Just look at the facts,
Children under 12 having tried drugs in the last month Gallente - 33% Amarr - 1%
Children 13-17 having tried drugs in the last month Gallente - 71% Amarr - 5%
Children exposed to drugs in the home in the last month Gallente - 83% Amarr - 2%
These are reports from seven years ago, just imagine how much more these behaviors have spread. Do not think that this is not harming your society and your people.
Within the Federation, you raise people under the idea of liberty for the self, indulgence for the self, and a strong focus in self-interest. What this results in is a society built around selfishness, where every decision is made without consideration for the well being of others, where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, where racial discrimination can thrive.
Whether or not you admit it Xavier this is you culture. You cannot be in the middle here. To deny your very own people, and their outlooks, you culture is to weaken you stance when you criticise anothers culture. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:56:00 -
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Darth Fett123 wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:Alas, so you wish to renounce citizenship for a God that you cannot prove? Ha! Folly at its best.
The Amarr willingly oppress the Minmatar, our most loyal allies. Actually, no. Oppress is too light of a word. Oppress is too dignified of a word to justify what they are doing! They enslave them, comrade. Can you not see that? Enslave them in the name of their God. To them, the enslavement is just a steppingstone across the river of Religious Faith.
Believe in their God. So be it. If reason cannot penetrate that thick skull of yours, fine. But to renounce the very embodiment of Freedom in this Galaxy to join an empire whose main policy is to enslave others under he guise of Religion?
Absurd, sir. Absurd. Aye, but as you might not realize, I would not be slaving. I would be fighting for the Amarr, who happen to award very generously. Getting used to the weaponry and the differences in the suit has taken a little while, but I'm getting used to it. And why are you taking offense at my choice to leave? The Gallentte promoted personal liberty, so I used it to leave the Federation. And another thing, the enslaved Minmitar aren't treated as harshly as everyone seems to think. Most teachers are very patient with the Minmitar, and they are well on their way to joining the Empire. Some of the largest and most respect groups in the Empire were once slaves. Xavier...... Loyal Allies.... you mean a people you openly discriminate against and use as pawns to prevent our Empire turning its gaze to your borders?
But this wise convert speaks the truth. He is wise to have chosen to enter a covenant with God, his soul shall be forever immortalised in our histories, and our soldiers shall stand shoulder to shoulder with him, honoured to fight and die by his side.
Amarr Victor brother, serve with honour, pride, and courage. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:55:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:Darth Fett123 wrote:Aye, but as you might not realize, I would not be slaving. I would be fighting for the Amarr, who happen to award very generously. Getting used to the weaponry and the differences in the suit has taken a little while, but I'm getting used to it. And why are you taking offense at my choice to leave? The Gallentte promoted personal liberty, so I used it to leave the Federation. And another thing, the enslaved Minmitar aren't treated as harshly as everyone seems to think. Most teachers are very patient with the Minmitar, and they are well on their way to joining the Empire. Some of the largest and most respect groups in the Empire were once slaves. Slavery is slavery, no matter how hard you are pushed, no matter how hard you toil. In the Federation you have Freedom of Religion. You may believe in whatever God you choose. Or, believe in none at all, as I do. But when you leave our great nation to fight against our very way of life, sir, then I have a problem. True Adamance wrote: Xavier...... Loyal Allies.... you mean a people you openly discriminate against and use as pawns to prevent our Empire turning its gaze to your borders?
But this wise convert speaks the truth. He is wise to have chosen to enter a covenant with God, his soul shall be forever immortalised in our histories, and our soldiers shall stand shoulder to shoulder with him, honoured to fight and die by his side.
Amarr Victor brother, serve with honour, pride, and courage.
Enough, Adamance! You refuse to actually listen to what I say! You hold on to your belief with such a stubbornness I could never fathom! Read my words! Understand what I say! In our great nation, discrimination is present. I will admit that. I do admit we have faults. It is unfortunate on what some Minmatar face. But, it is a problem that I believe is getting better. Tolerance is increasing. Also, define "you". If you mean "you" as in me, then I have nothing further to say to you, because apparently you are so blinded that you simply spit out all the folly you were taught, not even listening to my words. I have nothing against the Minmatar, and I find that quite evident. If you mean "you" as in the Gallente Federation, then yes, it is present. But, it is nothing compared to what you put them through each day.
"Even if the Federation was high on victory against the State, military leaders knew that opening a second full-scale war against the Amarr Empire would be fatal. Nonetheless, for a long time, the Federation government observed and studied the Minmatar, realizing that they could be used to weaken the Amarr Empire. However, they realized that open action would force hostilities with the Empire, so they were only able to covertly supply the Minmatar rebels with supplies and materiel."
Percieving my Faith to be ignorance only weakens you stance. Against I understand what it is the Gallente are, and for that I condemn them.
What I cannot accept is the Federations actively allowing its people to corrupt their immortal souls and commit heresies in the name of this "freedom" you preach.
(( you also cannot judge Amarrian slavery by the same standards we OOC would judge slavery, in New Eden the Amarr do it for Faith, unity, and to test the the races they enslave to induct them into the Empire)) |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:04:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Do not look upon Amarr slaverly as exploitative discrimination. We do not seek profit from their demise, that is not our nature. Think of the Minmatar as children and the Amarr their parents. We give them chores to build their character, but nothing unreasonable. While they may do these chores, we still care for and respect them. We feed them, clothe them, shelter them. We educate them, and guide them down the right path. All of this is done out of a parents love. Now tell me, do you condemn parenthood?
If there is anything the Amarr are guilty of, it is not protecting our children from the serpents. I lost my parents, I figure I turned out just fine. Haha!... I actually hate my life. Insanity isn't much fun is it..... |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:55:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Mister Hasting, since you have came to the Summit all you have brought is shouting and laughing at those who do no agree with your logic. Within the summit you are permitted to voice your opinion, but please try to remain civil. Portray me as the villain here? *Sigh*, I suppose I must explain again. I say I do not agree with you, you claim that I do not understand. I say I do, and say such things as you do because of religion, their toil cause them to be closer to God, ect. Then you further claim that I do not understand, and say exactly when I said previous. I then direct you to what I say previously, then repeat what I said, and now we are at a point you say to say I am yelling. In the Federation, this would be a clear sign of defeat, for the person using these ad hominems perceived to be doing so because they have nothing else to say. [OOC] The exclamation points were only for emphasis. Sorry if anyone was confused. [/OOC] True Adamance wrote: "Even if the Federation was high on victory against the State, military leaders knew that opening a second full-scale war against the Amarr Empire would be fatal. Nonetheless, for a long time, the Federation government observed and studied the Minmatar, realizing that they could be used to weaken the Amarr Empire. However, they realized that open action would force hostilities with the Empire, so they were only able to covertly supply the Minmatar rebels with supplies and materiel."
Percieving my Faith to be ignorance only weakens you stance. Against I understand what it is the Gallente are, and for that I condemn them.
What I cannot accept is the Federations actively allowing its people to corrupt their immortal souls and commit heresies in the name of this "freedom" you preach.
(( you also cannot judge Amarrian slavery by the same standards we OOC would judge slavery, in New Eden the Amarr do it for Faith, unity, and to test the the races they enslave to induct them into the Empire))
I perceive your faith as ignorance because I believe faith itself is ignorance. Of course, that is a discussion for another day, but it does not weaken any stance. Unlike you, I believe that believe are able to do as they choose, not do what someone else (you, your God) tells them to. [OOC] You believe I don't understand out of character too? Read my posts, comrade. I explicitly say that I understand that is unity and religion. The fact that my character does not agree with this is, in my opinion, perfectly acceptable. [/OOC] Aero Yassavi wrote:Do not look upon Amarr slaverly as exploitative discrimination. We do not seek profit from their demise, that is not our nature. Think of the Minmatar as children and the Amarr their parents. We give them chores to build their character, but nothing unreasonable. While they may do these chores, we still care for and respect them. We feed them, clothe them, shelter them. We educate them, and guide them down the right path. All of this is done out of a parents love. Eventually, given time, the children will grow into adults and have children of their own. Now tell me, do you condemn parenthood?
If there is anything the Amarr are guilty of, it is not protecting our children from the serpents. Here is a quote of what I have said in the past: Xavier Hastings wrote:Oh, Adamance! I pity you! Can you not read? I understand what you do! I know why you are doing it. Not for profit! I specifically said that you didn't! You do it for religious reasons. Enough, Adamance. I have said this many times before. Quit lying to people and saying that I do not, it is simply not true. Slavery is not parenthood. You may clothe them. You may feed them. They may be the most pampered people in the universe, but it would not matter. The slavery is abhorred. The work you make them do, abhorred. Even though you may do all the aforementioned things above, they still suffer. All in the name of your God. And that, my friend, is the worst of all.
Why is slavery abhorred? |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:41:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:True Adamance wrote:Why is slavery abhorred? It is because I simply believe the toil they go through is not worth it. The hardships your nation purposefully puts onto them, not worth it. The reason does not matter. The fact that you force them to go through pain and suffering is simply, in my opinion, abhorred. They are human beings, Adamance. No-one deserves to go through that.
But it is worth them going through the toil and suffering to reach enlightenment. Only after which may they know true peace and a fulfilled life. |
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:09:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:True Adamance wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:True Adamance wrote:Why is slavery abhorred? It is because I simply believe the toil they go through is not worth it. The hardships your nation purposefully puts onto them, not worth it. The reason does not matter. The fact that you force them to go through pain and suffering is simply, in my opinion, abhorred. They are human beings, Adamance. No-one deserves to go through that. But it is worth them going through the toil and suffering to reach enlightenment. Only after which may they know true peace and a fulfilled life. I must disagree. I have not toiled like they have. I have not suffered like they have, but I am content and happy with my life. It is not just me, there are millions of other people who are content, happy, and at peace without the burden of slavery. Furthermore, how do we know this enlightenment even exists? It could all be psychological. Almost everything has a logical explanation. BUt you could be more satisfied with you life correct?
And only in God's service do we know true joy. |
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