DUST Search - CCP why you reward AFK gameplay?

Sir Petersen wrote:

Allah's Snackbar wrote:

Sir Petersen wrote:

Allah's Snackbar wrote:

SoonGäó

CCP can't afford to do anything.

1) Player numbers would dive - although we are probably getting close to "rusted on" support
2) New players would not have any effective SP gain path other than being reamed over and over
3) Player retention would be even worse than now

Congrats. This is probably the biggest nonsense I have seen so far on this forum. And believe me when I tell you that the competition is tough around here.

You see..

Numbers do not decline when a game is fixed. Once a game gets better player numbers go up. Even the simplest of people understand this.

Well riddle me this batman, they have released versions 1, 1.1 and 1.2 and player numbers are steadily declining regardless.

Well to start with it is high summer now and most people prefer to spend they-¦re time outside enjoying the sunshine rather than in front of a TV screen playing video games.

Also..

there is no fun in playing a shooter with unbalanced teams. I-¦m not talking about being better or worse. I-¦m talking uneven numbers on both sides. AFKing makes this happen and while we have idiots doing this it hurts the game and therefore less will play it.

This is really easy to understand.

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D ust5 14 Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:15:00 - [1] - Quote Just why? Is it an oversight? Or is this by design? How is this even allowed past beta? Is it gonna be changed? If so how soon are we talking about? (Don't give me your SOON which means practically never)
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 285	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:23:00 - [2] - Quote I-¦m guessing that CCP is looking for the right solution for this problem. Red lines, AFKing and so on.. Us/the beta players have tried different things in the past and I-¦m 100% sure CCP will cough up a fix for this sooner rather than later. I think most of us agree that AFKing needs to stop. this is ruining 2 many games at the moment.
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 376	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:24:00 - [3] - Quote SoonGäó CCP can't afford to do anything. 1) Player numbers would dive - although we are probably getting close to "rusted on" support 2) New players would not have any effective SP gain path other than being reamed over and over 3) Player retention would be even worse than now
D ust5 14 Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:26:00 - [4] - Quote Allah's Snackbar wrote: SoonGäó CCP can't afford to do anything. 1) Player numbers would dive - although we are probably getting close to "rusted on" support 2) New players would not have any effective SP gain path other than being reamed over and over 3) Player retention would be even worse than now What do you mean? AFK is a small isolated problem. Just put in an inactive timer... how hard is it? It's taken over A YEAR, they must have got SOME sort of progress.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 285	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:31:00 - [5] - Quote Allah's Snackbar wrote: SoonGäó CCP can't afford to do anything. 1) Player numbers would dive - although we are probably getting close to "rusted on" support 2) New players would not have any effective SP gain path other than being reamed over and over 3) Player retention would be even worse than now Congrats. This is probably the biggest nonsense I have seen so far on this forum. And believe me when I tell you that the competition is tough around here. You see.. Numbers do not decline when a game is fixed. Once a game gets better player numbers go up. Even the simplest of people understand this.
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 377	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:32:00 - [6] - Quote D ust5 14 wrote: Allah's Snackbar wrote: SoonGäó CCP can't afford to do anything. 1) Player numbers would dive - although we are probably getting close to "rusted on" support 2) New players would not have any effective SP gain path other than being reamed over and over 3) Player retention would be even worse than now What do you mean? AFK is a small isolated problem. Just put in an inactive timer... how hard is it? It's taken over A YEAR, they must have got SOME sort of progress. Yes I agree, but finding a solution to idlers has been basically the Holy Grail of online game developers since last century. I think you're asking too much. The point being though, I don't think CCP dare. AFK is the game's PVE. It's the paradox where CCP feel they must destroy the village to save it.
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 377	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:37:00 - [7] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Allah's Snackbar wrote: SoonGäó CCP can't afford to do anything. 1) Player numbers would dive - although we are probably getting close to "rusted on" support 2) New players would not have any effective SP gain path other than being reamed over and over 3) Player retention would be even worse than now Congrats. This is probably the biggest nonsense I have seen so far on this forum. And believe me when I tell you that the competition is tough around here. You see.. Numbers do not decline when a game is fixed. Once a game gets better player numbers go up. Even the simplest of people understand this. Well riddle me this batman, they have released versions 1, 1.1 and 1.2 and player numbers are steadily declining regardless. If your hypothesis is correct why would CCP not simply pulled the trigger to banish AFK? Or is all you have consist of cheap personal slights?
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 19	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:39:00 - [8] - Quote AFKing is not a problem, but a solution for most. Much like in EVE, the bad kids that spent day in and day out in the game will try to pick on the new people, because, well, why not? Oh. That's right. They'd be stomped out otherwise if they tried it with anyone else but someone that doesn't know how to play. Moreso, the entry of new players into this game is... monstrously lopsided in such a way that most play a game or two and leave. Why? Because this is New Eden. The fact that the game's mechanics are already broken, I'm not surprised that a lot of people that have played since beta leave after a while. Abandoning the sinking ship. So no, I'm not going to down AFKing. It seems that the only way to enjoy Dust 514 is to not play it.
D ust5 14 Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:40:00 - [9] - Quote So AFK is the pillar of gameplay now? CCP what the flying superman is this sort of game? Don't you realize AFK is hurting the gameplay of people actually playing the game actively, as in not AFKing?
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 19	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:46:00 - [10] - Quote I tried really hard to enjoy the game since the beta. I... can't. I just can't anymore. There used to be an unspoken code between people, you know. Protect one another, kill the enemy. It didn't matter about who got the kill back then. I protect my comrades. I see someone darting across open land getting shot at, I'll sure as hell beam around that corner to lay down support fire. I've charged tanks and won for my team. I suppose I'm too old fashioned for this sort of age of shooters. This game would of excelled in the early 2000s.

Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 137	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:47:00 - [11] - Quote D ust5 14 wrote: Just why? Is it an oversight? Or is this by design? How is this even allowed past beta? Is it gonna be changed? If so how soon are we talking about? (Don't give me your SOON which means practically never) It's the best thing about this game the ability to still get rewards without playing this glob of depression. If they take out AFK I promise this game loses another 40% total population.
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 385	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:49:00 - [12] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I tried really hard to enjoy the game since the beta. I... can't. I just can't anymore. There used to be an unspoken code between people, you know. Protect one another, kill the enemy. It didn't matter about who got the kill back then. I protect my comrades. I see someone darting across open land getting shot at, I'll sure as hell beam around that corner to lay down support fire. I've charged tanks and won for my team, only to be shot in the back. I suppose I'm too old fashioned for this sort of age of shooters. This game would of excelled in the early 2000s. Well it's just about got the graphics nailed for that era, but I still sympathise with you your view. Maybe time to try something else.
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 385	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:50:00 - [13] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: D ust5 14 wrote: Just why? Is it an oversight? Or is this by design? How is this even allowed past beta? Is it gonna be changed? If so how soon are we talking about? (Don't give me your SOON which means practically never) It's the best thing about this game the ability to still get rewards without playing this glob of depression. If they take out AFK I promise this game loses another 40% total population. I think this is the nut of it. More fun simply not to play unfortunately.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 288	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:52:00 - [14] - Quote Allah's Snackbar wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Allah's Snackbar wrote: SoonGäó CCP can't afford to do anything. 1) Player numbers would dive - although we are probably getting close to "rusted on" support 2) New players would not have any effective SP gain path other than being reamed over and over 3) Player retention would be even worse than now Congrats. This is probably the biggest nonsense I have seen so far on this forum. And believe me when I tell you that the competition is tough around here. You see.. Numbers do not decline when a game is fixed. Once a game gets better player numbers go up. Even the simplest of people understand this. Well riddle me this batman, they have released versions 1, 1.1 and 1.2 and player numbers are steadily declining regardless. Well to start with it is high summer now and most people prefer to spend they-¦re time outside enjoying the sunshine rather than in front of a TV screen playing video games. Also.. there is no fun in playing a shooter with unbalanced teams. I-¦m not talking about being better or worse. I-¦m talking uneven numbers on both sides. AFKing makes this happen and while we have idiots doing this it hurts the game and therefore less will play it. This is really easy to understand.
D ust5 14 Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:56:00 - [15] - Quote I don't understand. Everything you said has nothing to do with CCP fixing AFK. It is a simple matter. Inactive timer. Nothing else! Why CCP Why? Why not?
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 288	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:57:00 - [16] - Quote Allah's Snackbar wrote: Xero The Mishima wrote: D ust5 14 wrote: Just why? Is it an oversight? Or is this by design? How is this even allowed past beta? Is it gonna be changed? If so how soon are we talking about? (Don't give me your SOON which means practically never) It's the best thing about this game the ability to still get rewards without playing this glob of depression. If they take out AFK I promise this game loses another 40% total population. I think this is the nut of it. More fun simply not to play unfortunately. lol if this is the case then you need to get a life dude. Seriously.. If your life is not better than collecting likes and AFKing virtual points in a video game you don-¦t like.. Well.. What can I say.. Pull it together and wake up!
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 1765	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:57:00 - [17] - Quote D ust5 14 wrote: I don't understand. Everything you said has nothing to do with CCP fixing AFK. It is a simple matter. Inactive timer. Nothing else! Why CCP Why? Why not? Inactive timer + making sure they arent just doing 360s with a rubberband attached to their controller.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 21	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:58:00 - [18] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Inactive timer + making sure they arent just doing 360s with a rubberband attached to their controller. But... that's a classic move.
D ust5 14 Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2013.07.15 10:59:00 - [19] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: D ust5 14 wrote: I don't understand. Everything you said has nothing to do with CCP fixing AFK. It is a simple matter. Inactive timer. Nothing else! Why CCP Why? Why not? Inactive timer + making sure they arent just doing 360s with a rubberband attached to their controller. It does not matter! Exploits and workarounds are not a valid reason for a problem to not get fixed!
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 387	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:03:00 - [20] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Allah's Snackbar wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Allah's Snackbar wrote: SoonGäó CCP can't afford to do anything. 1) Player numbers would dive - although we are probably getting close to "rusted on" support 2) New players would not have any effective SP gain path other than being reamed over and over 3) Player retention would be even worse than now Congrats. This is probably the biggest nonsense I have seen so far on this forum. And believe me when I tell you that the competition is tough around here. You see.. Numbers do not decline when a game is fixed. Once a game gets better player numbers go up. Even the simplest of people understand this. Well riddle me this batman, they have released versions 1, 1.1 and 1.2 and player numbers are steadily declining regardless. Well to start with it is high summer now and most people prefer to spend they-¦re time outside enjoying the sunshine rather than in front of a TV screen playing video games. Also.. there is no fun in playing a shooter with unbalanced teams. I-¦m not talking about being better or worse. I-¦m talking uneven numbers on both sides. AFKing makes this happen and while we have idiots doing this it hurts the game and therefore less will play it. This is really easy to understand. You still aren't explaining why they don't just fix it.

Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 141	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:05:00 - [21] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Allah's Snackbar wrote: Xero The Mishima wrote: D ust5 14 wrote: Just why? Is it an oversight? Or is this by design? How is this even allowed past beta? Is it gonna be changed? If so how soon are we talking about? (Don't give me your SOON which means practically never) It's the best thing about this game the ability to still get rewards without playing this glob of depression. If they take out AFK I promise this game loses another 40% total population. I think this is the nut of it. More fun simply not to play unfortunately. lol if this is the case then you need to get a life dude. Seriously.. If your life is not better than collecting likes on this forum and AFKing virtual points in a video game you don-¦t like.. Well.. What can I say.. Pull it together and wake up! Yes you got me, I am here to farm likes....
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 63	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:06:00 - [22] - Quote Allah's Snackbar wrote: SoonGäó CCP can't afford to do anything. 1) Player numbers would dive - although we are probably getting close to "rusted on" support 2) New players would not have any effective SP gain path other than being reamed over and over 3) Player retention would be even worse than now Those that are AFK'ing are welcome to leave IMO, they are a waste of team slots and give nothing to a match. I'd be happy to see numbers dive, because at the end of the day an AFK'er is basically wasting resources.
steadyhand amarr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 927	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:08:00 - [23] - Quote Afking is not isolated problem it's in every match now. It needs to be stamped out because it promises you that u have lost a match before you have even started. personal I would haveva player base hit knowningly it would make matches fun again. Then have Everyone quit because half the team is always in the mcc.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 144	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:10:00 - [24] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Allah's Snackbar wrote: SoonGäó CCP can't afford to do anything. 1) Player numbers would dive - although we are probably getting close to "rusted on" support 2) New players would not have any effective SP gain path other than being reamed over and over 3) Player retention would be even worse than now Those that are AFK'ing are welcome to leave IMO, they are a waste of team slots and give nothing to a match. I'd be happy to see numbers dive, because at the end of the day an AFK'er is basically wasting resources. You say that but who will you play against with only 60% of 3k assuming the numbers don't take more dives after more let downs. Ever occur to you WHY they added EVE numbers with the Dust numbers? To fool you that it's a active game...
D ust5 14 Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:10:00 - [25] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Afking is not isolated problem it's in every match now. It needs to be stamped out because it promises you that u have lost a match before you have even started. personal I would haveva player base hit knowningly it would make matches fun again. Then have Everyone quit because half the team is always in the mcc. I mean it can be fixed regardless of other issues or game mechanics or whatever. It is a single problem with an easy string-free fix.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 144	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:11:00 - [26] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Afking is not isolated problem it's in every match now. It needs to be stamped out because it promises you that u have lost a match before you have even started. personal I would haveva player base hit knowningly it would make matches fun again. Then have Everyone quit because half the team is always in the mcc. If you guys actually provided some good team work and not run around like chickens with cut off heads perhaps we wouldn't be in MCC...
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 64	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:16:00 - [27] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: Rogue Saint wrote: Allah's Snackbar wrote: SoonGäó CCP can't afford to do anything. 1) Player numbers would dive - although we are probably getting close to "rusted on" support 2) New players would not have any effective SP gain path other than being reamed over and over 3) Player retention would be even worse than now Those that are AFK'ing are welcome to leave IMO, they are a waste of team slots and give nothing to a match. I'd be happy to see numbers dive, because at the end of the day an AFK'er is basically wasting resources. You say that but who will you play against with only 60% of 3k assuming the numbers don't take more dives after more let downs. Ever occur to you WHY they added EVE numbers with the Dust numbers? To fool you that it's a active game... An AFK player is not contributing to dust, they are not adapting to the FotM, they are losing skill so when they do decide to play they will still be stomped, which reinforces the negative cycle of afk'ing. Why would anyone login to a game, join a match to do nothing but afk for 20m is beyond me.
Zero Notion Red Star Jr. EoN. 104	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:32:00 - [28] - Quote I have seen minimal afking lately but I spend more time in FW than anything else. However, afking is always going to be an issue in every game ever that has some sort of skill based system that requires currency to rank those skills. I think a valid option would be to have war points be included more into the math behind SP/ISK reward. If you have zero war points, then that is fairly suspect.
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 64	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:35:00 - [29] - Quote Solution is simple, after X mins of AFK, spawn their asses into the enemy redzone.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 198	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:36:00 - [30] - Quote D ust5 14 wrote: Just why? Is it an oversight? Or is this by design? How is this even allowed past beta? Is it gonna be changed? If so how soon are we talking about? (Don't give me your SOON which means practically never) I made a thread about this here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1027633#post1027633 and mine is not the 1st.... there have been many... they must know and either don't care, or don't know what to do.... its quite sad

Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 149	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:39:00 - [31] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: D ust5 14 wrote: Just why? Is it an oversight? Or is this by design? How is this even allowed past beta? Is it gonna be changed? If so how soon are we talking about? (Don't give me your SOON which means practically never) I made a thread about this here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1027633#post1027633 and mine is not the 1st.... there have been many... they must know and either don't care, or don't know what to do.... its quite sad I'm going with don't care they are still making lots of money no need to stress themselves.
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 1781	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:41:00 - [32] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Allah's Snackbar wrote: Xero The Mishima wrote: D ust5 14 wrote: Just why? Is it an oversight? Or is this by design? How is this even allowed past beta? Is it gonna be changed? If so how soon are we talking about? (Don't give me your SOON which means practically never) It's the best thing about this game the ability to still get rewards without playing this glob of depression. If they take out AFK I promise this game loses another 40% total population. I think this is the nut of it. More fun simply not to play unfortunately. lol if this is the case then you need to get a life dude. Seriously.. If your life is not better than collecting likes on this forum and AFKing virtual points in a video game you don-¦t like.. Well.. What can I say.. Pull it together and wake up! Yes you got me, I am here to farm likes.... you are? okay here is a like I like helping other people. I am such a good person.
Musta Tornius Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 494	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:55:00 - [33] - Quote Without reading through all the replies I just thought I'd leave this here. Mechwarrior online was suffering from the exact same problem, and like Dust it's a f2p lobby shooter :). People used to either kill themselves at the start of a match or just hang around doing nothing till it was game over, this way they got roughly 50-75% of the regular payouts. This was obviously a problem as you could hardly ever get a decent game with no afkers. When team sizes were only 8 vs 8 having even 2 afkers resulted in severe penalties for teams. The fix that was implemented was quite simple, you play and you score or you don't get paid or get xp. Funnily enough this fix removed 99% of afkers and the game is much healthier in terms of player participation now. I really wish Dust would follow suit and do the exact same thing. Players who stop playing be damned they are not helping their teams anyway.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 246	Posted - 2013.07.15 11:58:00 - [34] - Quote yup, afk is a weak move. terminate those bstrds.
Atom Heart Mother We Who Walk Alone 25	Posted - 2013.07.15 12:45:00 - [35] - Quote AFK is good, just today I got rewarded at the end of match 3XBalac's Gar...ahahahahahahahahahhhhahhhhhahhhaaahhh


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