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Jay Sterling
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:26:00 -
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In theory, we could use Microsoft Flight Simulator for dropship training.
Dropships are very expensive to train with. However, it should be possible to use a PC gamepad/controller and customise a helicopter in Microsoft Flight Simulator.
Has anybody tried this? |
TODDSTER024
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:27:00 -
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Too much work, not enough WP... |
Noc Tempre
Internal Error. League of Infamy
2127
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:29:00 -
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Are you seriously suggesting that the dropship physics are sophisticated enough to the point that MFS is a comparable experience? |
Jay Sterling
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:32:00 -
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TODDSTER024 wrote:Too much work, not enough WP...
DUST probably wouldn't work if most people wanted to be a dropship pilot. So it's a good thing that it's a long, hard, and expensive road to become a decent dropship pilot. |
Jay Sterling
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:33:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Are you seriously suggesting that the dropship physics are sophisticated enough to the point that MFS is a comparable experience?
I think you can adjust the physics in Microsoft Flight Simulator. |
Noc Tempre
Internal Error. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:38:00 -
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Jay Sterling wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Are you seriously suggesting that the dropship physics are sophisticated enough to the point that MFS is a comparable experience? I think you can adjust the physics in Microsoft Flight Simulator.
To off? |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:40:00 -
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For first time DS pilots give this a watch. It shows the basics of flight with an onscreen ps3 controller showing what does what. It's for the very first timers and breaks the mechanics of flight down to each button press and stick movement.
The basics of dropship flight |
Jay Sterling
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:42:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Jay Sterling wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Are you seriously suggesting that the dropship physics are sophisticated enough to the point that MFS is a comparable experience? I think you can adjust the physics in Microsoft Flight Simulator. To off?
Actually, I don't think it's the physics that is much different in DUST - it's the way the dropship handles - it's like a balsawood toy. |
Taurion Bruni
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ
134
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Posted - 2013.07.14 14:40:00 -
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The dropship flys as a hybrid between a vtol and a helichopter, the only close to resemblance would be to fy a vtol, but it is still different |
Operative 1174 Uuali
D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass
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Posted - 2013.07.14 15:13:00 -
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Read this:
My Dropship Guide
I wrote according to the way I had to think about piloting a dropship. The way I describe flying it should make it easier to understand. |
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Jay Sterling
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.14 18:29:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Read this: My Dropship GuideI wrote according to the way I had to think about piloting a dropship. The way I describe flying it should make it easier to understand.
Yes! I read your guide on dropships! I think it's the best one!
It inspired me to take things further.
I'm going to try to use Microsoft Flight Simulator to make a Python simulator. It should take me a couple of months. If it works, I'll post the file on the forums. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:03:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Read this: My Dropship GuideI wrote according to the way I had to think about piloting a dropship. The way I describe flying it should make it easier to understand.
May I ask is that the assault dropship or logi one? Hard to tell in that light. |
Jay Sterling
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Read this: My Dropship GuideI wrote according to the way I had to think about piloting a dropship. The way I describe flying it should make it easier to understand. May I ask is that the assault dropship or logi one? Hard to tell in that light.
It's a Eurocopter AS 350 B2 |
Duck Drahko
DUST University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:31:00 -
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I don't think it's all that expensive to be honest. I'm less than two weeks in the game, and I've had plenty of dropship practice, so I'm starting to feel comfortable with them (I'm still pretty useless when it comes to actually killing things, but I'm not too sure how a flight simulator would help with that). I just started practicing assault dropships on an alt, since Academy is a much safer environment for them (admittedly buying the skill books for that is pretty expensive).
It just takes a couple of matches or so to afford a new dropship when it goes down, that doesn't seem too bad? IMO the biggest cost in learning to fly dropships is injured pride, but we can all afford that! |
Jay Sterling
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:36:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:For first time DS pilots give this a watch. It shows the basics of flight with an onscreen ps3 controller showing what does what. It's for the very first timers and breaks the mechanics of flight down to each button press and stick movement. The basics of dropship flight
Thank you - your whole series is excellent! |
Jay Sterling
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:41:00 -
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Duck Drahko wrote:I don't think it's all that expensive to be honest. I'm less than two weeks in the game, and I've had plenty of dropship practice, so I'm starting to feel comfortable with them (I'm still pretty useless when it comes to actually killing things, but I'm not too sure how a flight simulator would help with that). I just started practicing assault dropships on an alt, since Academy is a much safer environment for them (admittedly buying the skill books for that is pretty expensive).
It just takes a couple of matches or so to afford a new dropship when it goes down, that doesn't seem too bad? IMO the biggest cost in learning to fly dropships is injured pride, but we can all afford that!
I think I need to practice using a helicopter simulation first - and go through a flight tutorial 'first hand'.
It's because it doesn't look at all instinctive to me - it looks difficult.
In theory, I don't think people should be losing dropships, but reading these forums, a lot of people lose many dropships. |
Sammy677
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:44:00 -
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Whoa with the micro$oft sales plug. Flight sim cmon man |
Jay Sterling
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.07.14 20:04:00 -
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Sammy677 wrote:Whoa with the micro$oft sales plug. Flight sim cmon man
it's because on the flight sim forums, MFS seems to be the most popular.
In fact, somebody has already done a dropship sim for it, but it's for Halo though. |
IjustLoveDust
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.07.15 01:04:00 -
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Dropships are toast any way you wanna control em. |
Anuliadon Gortusk
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
65
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Posted - 2013.07.15 01:32:00 -
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Jay Sterling wrote:Duck Drahko wrote:I don't think it's all that expensive to be honest. I'm less than two weeks in the game, and I've had plenty of dropship practice, so I'm starting to feel comfortable with them (I'm still pretty useless when it comes to actually killing things, but I'm not too sure how a flight simulator would help with that). I just started practicing assault dropships on an alt, since Academy is a much safer environment for them (admittedly buying the skill books for that is pretty expensive).
It just takes a couple of matches or so to afford a new dropship when it goes down, that doesn't seem too bad? IMO the biggest cost in learning to fly dropships is injured pride, but we can all afford that! I think I need to practice using a helicopter simulation first - and go through a flight tutorial 'first hand'. It's because it doesn't look at all instinctive to me - it looks difficult. In theory, I don't think people should be losing dropships, but reading these forums, a lot of people lose many dropships. People should lose dropships, there will always be risk in flying one whether you are blowing up people or attempting to transport behind enemy lines there is always a risk |
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Duck Drahko
DUST University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.07.15 02:07:00 -
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By the way, the dropship physics immediately reminded me of the game Virus, anybody remember that? :) Maybe that's why they feel fairly intuitive to me. |
Operative 1174 Uuali
D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass
43
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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:30:00 -
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Jay Sterling wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Read this: My Dropship GuideI wrote according to the way I had to think about piloting a dropship. The way I describe flying it should make it easier to understand. Yes! I read your guide on dropships! I think it's the best one! It inspired me to take things further. I'm going to try to use Microsoft Flight Simulator to make a Python simulator. It should take me a couple of months. If it works, I'll post the file on the forums.
In a nutshell the biggest thing that helps to remember is that the upward and downward thrust are just that and only that. This does a lot for stopping your ship where it is and keep it from knocking around.
The upward thrust does eventually make your ship tip back and go down. So as long as you are tapping or holding only a bit at a time to go up and then down you'll be ok.
To land you just want to give upward thrust to stop your ship rather than just going straight to the downward thrust.
Otherwise, foward is forward and back is back. You just have to get used to the tipping forward or backward before it goes in that direction. Hence, give yourself some room both around you and beneath you.
Once I got that upward/downward thrust working for me the rest made more sense. |
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