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Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 262	Posted - 2013.07.13 09:59:00 - [1] - Quote Every weapon considered AV has a bonus towards armor. Every last one. I didn't even know that until just now. Peace, Godin
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:09:00 - [2] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Every weapon considered AV has a bonus towards armor. Every last one. I didn't even know that until just now. Peace, Godin Nope. Plasma cannon. Good thing that that thing is a terrible terrible AV weapon.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 340	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:11:00 - [3] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Every weapon considered AV has a bonus towards armor. Every last one. I didn't even know that until just now. Peace, Godin Nope. Plasma cannon. Good thing that that thing is a terrible terrible AV weapon. Yep, the Plasma Cannon eats shields.. if you can hit the target that is.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:17:00 - [4] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Every weapon considered AV has a bonus towards armor. Every last one. I didn't even know that until just now. Peace, Godin Nope. Plasma cannon. Good thing that that thing is a terrible terrible AV weapon. Yep, the Plasma Cannon eats shields.. if you can hit the target that is. Nope. The adv plasma cannon is only VERY slightly more effective against shields than an adv swarm launcher. The proto swarm launcher actualy does a good deal more damage to shields tha a proto plasma cannon. Lesson: CCP and math don't mix.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 262	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:18:00 - [5] - Quote It's a multi-purpose weapon, not just AV. Read the description.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 917	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:22:00 - [6] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: It's a multi-purpose weapon, not just AV. Read the description. Well if you're talking about weapons that are only used against vehicles, that only counts AV nades and Swarms.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 262	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:23:00 - [7] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: It's a multi-purpose weapon, not just AV. Read the description. Well if you're talking about weapons that are only used against vehicles, that only counts AV nades and Swarms. Forge Gun, Railgun, Remote Explosive, Proxy Mines all do extra damage to armor.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:24:00 - [8] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: It's a multi-purpose weapon, not just AV. Read the description. ? What the hell is that supposed to mean? It is supposed to fill the roll of being effective against shields, where as, as you have already mistakenly pointed out, all OTHER AV weapons are more effective against armor. CCP fail.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 340	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:25:00 - [9] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Every weapon considered AV has a bonus towards armor. Every last one. I didn't even know that until just now. Peace, Godin Nope. Plasma cannon. Good thing that that thing is a terrible terrible AV weapon. Yep, the Plasma Cannon eats shields.. if you can hit the target that is. Nope. The adv plasma cannon is only VERY slightly more effective against shields than an adv swarm launcher. The proto swarm launcher actualy does a good deal more damage to shields than a proto plasma cannon. Lesson: CCP and math don't mix. I don't know what Plasma Cannon you using .. but my advanced one destroys shields, but is useless against armor..In fact my AV Commando uses this combo ; Plasma Cannon to lower the shields, then Swarm Launcher to destroy the armor.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:29:00 - [10] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Django Quik wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: It's a multi-purpose weapon, not just AV. Read the description. Well if you're talking about weapons that are only used against vehicles, that only counts AV nades and Swarms. Forge Gun, Railgun, Remote Explosive, Proxy Mines all do extra damage to armor. Forge Gun = anti-infantry/vehicle Remote Explosives = anti-infantry (really not all that effective for AV)

Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 148	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:30:00 - [11] - Quote There definitely needs to be a proper AV Anti Shield weapon. Some form of Scrambler Cannon perhaps...
C Saunders Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 415	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:30:00 - [12] - Quote I thought the Forge Gun was 100% to shield and armour...
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 262	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:32:00 - [13] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Django Quik wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: It's a multi-purpose weapon, not just AV. Read the description. Well if you're talking about weapons that are only used against vehicles, that only counts AV nades and Swarms. Forge Gun, Railgun, Remote Explosive, Proxy Mines all do extra damage to armor. Forge Gun = anti-infantry/vehicle Remote Explosives = anti-infantry (really not all that effective for AV) Forge Guns are specified for AV. Yes, they can be used for AI purposes (very easily in fact), but it's not a dual-purpose weapon. I guess you've never tried putting down RE's right in front of a vehicle as it passes by without seeing you and blowing it to ****
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 262	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:32:00 - [14] - Quote C Saunders wrote: I thought the Forge Gun was 100% to shield and armour... Who told you that?
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 340	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:33:00 - [15] - Quote C Saunders wrote: I thought the Forge Gun was 100% to shield and armour... They aren't... i got 6 kill assist in a row yesterday by shooting at a CRU.. It dropped the shields of everyone near the CRU to 0.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:34:00 - [16] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Every weapon considered AV has a bonus towards armor. Every last one. I didn't even know that until just now. Peace, Godin Nope. Plasma cannon. Good thing that that thing is a terrible terrible AV weapon. Yep, the Plasma Cannon eats shields.. if you can hit the target that is. Nope. The adv plasma cannon is only VERY slightly more effective against shields than an adv swarm launcher. The proto swarm launcher actualy does a good deal more damage to shields than a proto plasma cannon. Lesson: CCP and math don't mix. I don't know what Plasma Cannon you using .. but my advanced one destroys shields, but is useless against armor..In fact my AV Commando uses this combo ; Plasma Cannon to lower the shields, then Swarm Launcher to destroy the armor. What I am telling you is that I have done the math for damage output on both weapons and what I have already stated is a fact. It is not contestable. There is no argument to be had here.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 340	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:38:00 - [17] - Quote I re-quote this from the post above ; I got 6 kill assist in a row yesterday by shooting at a CRU.. It dropped the shields of everyone near the CRU to 0. Trust me.. that thing EATS through shields.. you math are wrong.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:38:00 - [18] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Django Quik wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: It's a multi-purpose weapon, not just AV. Read the description. Well if you're talking about weapons that are only used against vehicles, that only counts AV nades and Swarms. Forge Gun, Railgun, Remote Explosive, Proxy Mines all do extra damage to armor. Forge Gun = anti-infantry/vehicle Remote Explosives = anti-infantry (really not all that effective for AV) Forge Guns are specified for AV. Yes, they can be used for AI purposes (very easily in fact), but it's not a dual-purpose weapon. I guess you've never tried putting down RE's right in front of a vehicle as it passes by without seeing you and blowing it to **** Was that you who was trying to do that to my tank yesterday right befor I vaporized you with my rail turret? shakes his head I did actualy get a pretty good laugh out of that.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 262	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:42:00 - [19] - Quote Nope. I remember doing it to a Falch. He gave me some raging.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:48:00 - [20] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: I re-quote this from the post above ; I got 6 kill assist in a row yesterday by shooting at a CRU.. It dropped the shields of everyone near the CRU to 0. Trust me.. that thing EATS through shields.. you math are wrong. Yes, I went to college, majored in math, and my math is definitely the problem here.

Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 340	Posted - 2013.07.13 10:52:00 - [21] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: I re-quote this from the post above ; I got 6 kill assist in a row yesterday by shooting at a CRU.. It dropped the shields of everyone near the CRU to 0. Trust me.. that thing EATS through shields.. you math are wrong. Yes, I went to college, majored in math, and my math is definitely the problem here. Are you counting shield resistances in your math to ? Just asking.... Tank with resistances my Swarm Launchers where doing nothing, Plasma Cannon started to drop its shields very quickly .. explain that with you math.
stlcarlos989 Sver true blood Public Disorder. 311	Posted - 2013.07.13 11:03:00 - [22] - Quote Forge Guns are better against shields than they are armor.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 263	Posted - 2013.07.13 11:04:00 - [23] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Forge Guns are better against shields than they are armor. Learn to read. Peace, Godin
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.07.13 11:05:00 - [24] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: I re-quote this from the post above ; I got 6 kill assist in a row yesterday by shooting at a CRU.. It dropped the shields of everyone near the CRU to 0. Trust me.. that thing EATS through shields.. you math are wrong. Yes, I went to college, majored in math, and my math is definitely the problem here. Are you counting shield resistances in your math to ? Just asking.... Tank with resistances my Swarm Launchers where doing nothing, Plasma Cannon started to drop its shields very quickly .. explain that with you math. 1. Yes resistances we're taken into account. What actually was not taken into account was RoF, to which the swarm launcher also out performs the plasma cannon on account of having to reload after every shot. I'd have to run the numbers but I am pretty sure I am right on this one as well. 2. You are using std swarms and std plasma cannon for your comparison, The std plasma cannon does infact out perfor the std swarm launcher (if you discount the reload factor). As well, the adv plasma cannon also out performs the adv swarm launcher but only VERY slightly (once again only if we discount the reload factor). The proto swarm launcher, on the other hand, strait up out performs the the proto plasma cannon by quite a good margin.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 340	Posted - 2013.07.13 11:05:00 - [25] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Forge Guns are better against shields than they are armor. Learn to read. Peace, Godin Thanks for the link.. i was looking for it just now....
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 263	Posted - 2013.07.13 11:07:00 - [26] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Forge Guns are better against shields than they are armor. Learn to read. Peace, Godin Thanks for the link.. i was looking for it just now.... np
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 342	Posted - 2013.07.13 11:26:00 - [27] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: I re-quote this from the post above ; I got 6 kill assist in a row yesterday by shooting at a CRU.. It dropped the shields of everyone near the CRU to 0. Trust me.. that thing EATS through shields.. you math are wrong. Yes, I went to college, majored in math, and my math is definitely the problem here. Are you counting shield resistances in your math to ? Just asking.... Tank with resistances my Swarm Launchers where doing nothing, Plasma Cannon started to drop its shields very quickly .. explain that with you math. 1. Yes resistances were taken into account. What actually was not taken into account was RoF, to which the swarm launcher also out performs the plasma cannon on account of having to reload after every shot. I'd have to run the numbers but I am pretty sure I am right on this one as well. 2. You are using std swarms and std plasma cannon for your comparison, The std plasma cannon does infact out perform the std swarm launcher (if you discount the reload factor). As well, the adv plasma cannon also out performs the adv swarm launcher but only VERY slightly (once again only if we discount the reload factor). The proto swarm launcher, on the other hand, strait up out performs the the proto plasma cannon by quite a good margin. I have a very nice Light Weapons reload bonus with my Commando suit.. add that to your math. Ohh... And i using Adv Plasma Cannon and Advanced Swarm launcher.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1161	Posted - 2013.07.13 11:39:00 - [28] - Quote Other than arguing over spreadsheet math... is there a point to this?
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.07.13 11:40:00 - [29] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: I re-quote this from the post above ; I got 6 kill assist in a row yesterday by shooting at a CRU.. It dropped the shields of everyone near the CRU to 0. Trust me.. that thing EATS through shields.. you math are wrong. Yes, I went to college, majored in math, and my math is definitely the problem here. Are you counting shield resistances in your math to ? Just asking.... Tank with resistances my Swarm Launchers where doing nothing, Plasma Cannon started to drop its shields very quickly .. explain that with you math. 1. Yes resistances were taken into account. What actually was not taken into account was RoF, to which the swarm launcher also out performs the plasma cannon on account of having to reload after every shot. I'd have to run the numbers but I am pretty sure I am right on this one as well. 2. You are using std swarms and std plasma cannon for your comparison, The std plasma cannon does infact out perform the std swarm launcher (if you discount the reload factor). As well, the adv plasma cannon also out performs the adv swarm launcher but only VERY slightly (once again only if we discount the reload factor). The proto swarm launcher, on the other hand, strait up out performs the the proto plasma cannon by quite a good margin. I have a very nice Light Weapons reload bonus with my Commando suit.. add that to your math. Ohh... And i using Adv Plasma Cannon and Advanced Swarm launcher. Even with the bonus reload time, you still have to also factor in target acquisition as well. With the swarms, imideatly after you fire a shot you are capable of staying on target with the weapon's reticle, making it very easy to aquire your next shot. Where as, with the plasma cannon you must dip the weapon after every shot, in order to reload the weapon, forcing you to require your target, which could take anywhere from one to two or more second. Dude I'm telling you man the plasma cannon is just an all around terrible AV weapon.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 265	Posted - 2013.07.13 11:41:00 - [30] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Other than arguing over spreadsheet math... is there a point to this? I was just pointing out that Most AV weapons, actually most weapons in general do more damage to armor.



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