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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
71
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Posted - 2013.07.13 05:30:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Ok I admit that I highly generalized who could be a leader, I do not believe it is very hard to oversee most of their operations compared to contributing to the success of it. As a consequence of it being out of date it mentions nothing about his field work after forming the legion. I forgot to mention that his forces are made mainly of experienced veterans, people who should be able to do their job without someone holding their hand.
Different skills are required to lead than to follow, or even to advise, soldier. Those, combined with the insight to make the right decisions and the will to see them through, are a rare and precious gift. The ability to issue commands to capable, disciplined, and intelligent soldiers may require no special talent, but holding their loyalty through two wars and many, many mercenary campaigns is rather an accomplishment.
You are suggesting, without apparent support, that the leader of the greatest mercenary company in New Eden is greatly overrated. Considering his history, and the honor with which he has led his men ... respectfully, you cast your own judgment into question more than his. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
1941
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Posted - 2013.07.13 05:47:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:1 isk in civilian terms is a lot of money, and it's not hard to tell people what to as long as they're not idiots. Gods and spirits, soldier, please stop. That was a blunt response to aeon's blunt response.
Interesting, Vermaak. Tell me, why is it you dont have a band of hellions of your own? Is that simply by choice, preferring to waste your talent - assuming it is so easy - or it is because maybe when the world is saying that youre wrong, defiantly proclaiming otherwise is your method of convincing..? |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Bojo's School of the Trades
152
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Posted - 2013.07.13 06:00:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:1 isk in civilian terms is a lot of money, and it's not hard to tell people what to as long as they're not idiots. Gods and spirits, soldier, please stop. That was a blunt response to aeon's blunt response. Interesting, Vermaak. Tell me, why is it you dont have a band of hellions of your own? Is that simply by choice, preferring to waste your talent - assuming it is so easy - or it is because maybe when the world is saying that youre wrong, defiantly proclaiming otherwise is your method of convincing..?
By choice, I gave it a bit of thought but I couldn't bring myself to put the basic amount of sp towards it. Also, so what if I'm wrong? I honestly don't care but you've yet to prove that mordu actually oversees operations personally, besides his time in the caldari navy. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Bojo's School of the Trades
152
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Posted - 2013.07.13 06:19:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Ok I admit that I highly generalized who could be a leader, I do not believe it is very hard to oversee most of their operations compared to contributing to the success of it. As a consequence of it being out of date it mentions nothing about his field work after forming the legion. I forgot to mention that his forces are made mainly of experienced veterans, people who should be able to do their job without someone holding their hand. Different skills are required to lead than to follow, or even to advise, soldier. Those, combined with the insight to make the right decisions and the will to see them through, are a rare and precious gift. The ability to issue commands to capable, disciplined, and intelli!gent soldiers may require no special talent, but holding their loyalty through two wars and many, many mercenary campaigns is rather an accomplishment. You are suggesting, without apparent support, that the leader of the greatest mercenary company in New Eden is greatly overrated. Considering his history, and the honor with which he has led his men ... respectfully, you cast your own judgment into question more than his.
I believe he is overrated in comparison to the leaders of other, more independent non empire factions. They have my respect because they have lead their people to controlling vast amounts of systems, with a combined larger size than that of the empires. From what I've read his legion mostly works for the caldari, making it more or less an unofficial part of the caldari navy that also does mercenary work. While I do admit that most people can't hold people's loyalty for that long. |
Galm Fae
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
20
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Posted - 2013.07.13 06:22:00 -
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Tred carefully soldier. In offending Mordu you offend the memory of my mother and father before me. He is the most honorable individual I know, and I owe him far more than I can ever provide. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
71
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Posted - 2013.07.13 06:41:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:I believe he is overrated in comparison to the leaders of other, more independent non empire factions. They have my respect because they have lead their people to controlling vast amounts of systems, with a combined larger size than that of the empires. From what I've read his legion mostly works for the caldari, making it more or less an unofficial part of the caldari navy that also does mercenary work. While I do admit that most people can't hold people's loyalty for that long.
Mordu has chosen to run a mercenary company, rather than the harsh outline of a civilization.
I'm assuming you're not speaking of the Sisters of Eve, but of the "pirate factions." Soldier, you may wish to live among some of those entities before you praise them too highly. They are not as universally "evil" as some self-righteous capsuleers wish to make them out as, but, for the most part, they are what a hard life has made them: the barbarians at the gates. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Bojo's School of the Trades
152
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Posted - 2013.07.13 06:42:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Tred carefully soldier. In offending Mordu you offend the memory of my mother and father before me. He is the most honorable individual I know, and I owe him far more than I can ever provide. I apologize, I had no idea that your parents worked for him. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Bojo's School of the Trades
152
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Posted - 2013.07.13 06:54:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:I believe he is overrated in comparison to the leaders of other, more independent non empire factions. They have my respect because they have lead their people to controlling vast amounts of systems, with a combined larger size than that of the empires. From what I've read his legion mostly works for the caldari, making it more or less an unofficial part of the caldari navy that also does mercenary work. While I do admit that most people can't hold people's loyalty for that long. Mordu has chosen to run a mercenary company, rather than the harsh outline of a civilization. I'm assuming you're not speaking of the Sisters of Eve, but of the "pirate factions." Soldier, you may wish to live among some of those entities before you praise them too highly. They are not as universally "evil" as some self-righteous capsuleers wish to make them out as, but, for the most part, they are what a hard life has made them: the barbarians at the gates. I assumed the name would hint it but I performed as a fighter bomber pilot in sansha's navy before being aboard fatal's ship working maintenance. I respect the leaders that I've worked with the most, especially the one that I am related to, but I admire the ones I haven't for bringing their people to the land of prosperity. |
Galm Fae
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
20
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Posted - 2013.07.13 06:59:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Galm Fae wrote:Tred carefully soldier. In offending Mordu you offend the memory of my mother and father before me. He is the most honorable individual I know, and I owe him far more than I can ever provide. I apologize, I had no idea that your parents worked for him. None taken.
My father worked as an officer under him... So when we speak of how much Caldari officers are paid, I know the cost firsthand. My mother was an Intaki refugee. In a sense, I owe my existence to Mordu-haan.
I just wish I could undue the damage I cause to my relations with the Legion.
Ligori kaashivon Mordu...
He deserves better. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Bojo's School of the Trades
152
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Posted - 2013.07.13 07:29:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Galm Fae wrote:Tred carefully soldier. In offending Mordu you offend the memory of my mother and father before me. He is the most honorable individual I know, and I owe him far more than I can ever provide. I apologize, I had no idea that your parents worked for him. None taken. My father worked as an officer under him... So when we speak of how much Caldari officers are paid, I know the cost firsthand. My mother was an Intaki refugee. In a sense, I owe my existence to Mordu-haan. I just wish I could undue the damage I cause to my relations with the Legion. Ligori kaashivon Mordu... He deserves better. If it's not too personal might ask how the relationship was shaken? |
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
1941
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Posted - 2013.07.13 07:48:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:I believe he is overrated in comparison to the leaders of other, more independent non empire factions. They have my respect because they have lead their people to controlling vast amounts of systems, with a combined larger size than that of the empires. From what I've read his legion mostly works for the caldari, making it more or less an unofficial part of the caldari navy that also does mercenary work. While I do admit that most people can't hold people's loyalty for that long. Mordu has chosen to run a mercenary company, rather than the harsh outline of a civilization. I'm assuming you're not speaking of the Sisters of Eve, but of the "pirate factions." Soldier, you may wish to live among some of those entities before you praise them too highly. They are not as universally "evil" as some self-righteous capsuleers wish to make them out as, but, for the most part, they are what a hard life has made them: the barbarians at the gates. I assumed the name would hint it but I performed as a fighter bomber pilot in sansha's navy before being aboard fatal's ship working maintenance. I respect the leaders that I've worked with the most, especially the one that I am related to, but I admire the ones I haven't for bringing their people to the land of prosperity.
Hah. As if Sansha would allow one of his own to flutter off with any sort of freedom. Youre either a mindless cybernetic slave or a 'True' Sansha, and Kuvakei doesnt let those go so easily. Youve quite the reputation, but much like youre immediate dismissal of Mordu's leadership, Im not so gullible. |
Galm Fae
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
20
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Posted - 2013.07.13 07:54:00 -
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Life was hard for a half-breed growing up in the State. My parents died when I was young, the damned Dragonaurs set off a bomb in their car, but the Legion continued to provide for me. They sent me a pension and a few of my fathers comrades turned up to support me, but as a teenager that didn't really mean that much. It just showed me what happens when you resist the culture in the State.
So I learned to adapt, tried to fend for myself. I had to reinvent who I was so people could finally see me as an equal and not just some Intaki's bastard child.
I was young, and I did a lot of stupid things to achieve that dream. Something about watching others die around me for a living though... Something about knowing what it feels like to be the one bleeding out... To be the guy trying to stick a nanite injector into your buddy as grenades go off left and right...
It gives you some context.
They did so much for me, and I threw it in their face. That is all you need to know. It was the second biggest mistake in my life. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Bojo's School of the Trades
152
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Posted - 2013.07.13 09:43:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:I believe he is overrated in comparison to the leaders of other, more independent non empire factions. They have my respect because they have lead their people to controlling vast amounts of systems, with a combined larger size than that of the empires. From what I've read his legion mostly works for the caldari, making it more or less an unofficial part of the caldari navy that also does mercenary work. While I do admit that most people can't hold people's loyalty for that long. Mordu has chosen to run a mercenary company, rather than the harsh outline of a civilization. I'm assuming you're not speaking of the Sisters of Eve, but of the "pirate factions." Soldier, you may wish to live among some of those entities before you praise them too highly. They are not as universally "evil" as some self-righteous capsuleers wish to make them out as, but, for the most part, they are what a hard life has made them: the barbarians at the gates. I assumed the name would hint it but I performed as a fighter bomber pilot in sansha's navy before being aboard fatal's ship working maintenance. I respect the leaders that I've worked with the most, especially the one that I am related to, but I admire the ones I haven't for bringing their people to the land of prosperity. Hah. As if Sansha would allow one of his own to flutter off with any sort of freedom. Youre either a mindless cybernetic slave or a 'True' Sansha, and Kuvakei doesnt let those go so easily. Youve quite the reputation, but much like youre immediate dismissal of Mordu's leadership, Im not so gullible. Only true slaves are allowed mercenary or pod pilot impants, even they are limited to respawning at sansha facilities to be given their less influencing implants, while I wasn't given that mental push to set my clone within sansha's control. If I was a mere true slave every other clone formed at pamah years ago would also be. I worked with fatal during a diplomatic mission,one where both the guristas and blood raiders supported an incursion in amarr space. I continue to roam outside his control as long as I can keep our alliance stable, or fix the problems that shake it, such as fatal's memory loss. Maybe when mordu becomes a force to be reckoned with, all the empires will come together to fail to kill him. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Bojo's School of the Trades
152
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Posted - 2013.07.13 09:50:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Life was hard for a half-breed growing up in the State. My parents died when I was young, the damned Dragonaurs set off a bomb in their car, but the Legion continued to provide for me. They sent me a pension and a few of my father's comrades turned up to support me, but as a teenager that didn't really mean that much. It just showed me what happens when you resist the culture in the State. No matter how much progress you think you make, some baka will come along and turn everything back to zero.
So I learned to adapt, tried to fend for myself. I had to reinvent who I was so people could finally see me as an equal and not just some Intaki's bastard child. A group of patriots offered me a chance. That was all I really wanted, a chance.
I was young, and I did a lot of stupid things to achieve that dream, to be seen as true Caldari. Something about watching others die around me for a living though... Something about knowing what it feels like to be the one bleeding out... To be the guy trying to stick a nanite injector into your buddy as grenades go off left and right...
It gives you some context.
The Legion did so much for me, and I threw it in their faces. They tried so hard to turn me into something worthwhile... And I reset that all to zero. That is all you need to know. It was the second biggest mistake in my life.
I've been trying to do some light work for them now, namely knocking down Dragonaur cells when they crop up in Caldari space. It is a start, but I don't think I will ever make it up to them fully.
I believe that you can repay them, it will take time though, and much hardship but I think it is possible. Try going beyond fighting the dragonaurs in caldari space alone but continue to hunt them down wherever you find them. While it may be hard, try to leave a few alive only long enough to extract information. |
Orin Issa
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:34:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Orin Issa wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Orin Issa wrote:You are on the right train of thought, soldier. What Mister Mordu offers is nothing but materialistic goods. Don't get me wrong, those are important, but they are not wealth. There are deeper motives brewing in his mind. For his sake, I hope he makes good on those rewards. Ive met one clone, a brute who wears an amplified Ak.0 Suit. Saw him break a man in half for shooting him in the head... and that was before he had his spirits.. Ah, the Amarr. They have good intentions and have a magnificent society, but their war tactics are malevolent. There is no fault in desiring further protection from such horrors. In the name of God nothing is malevolent. All is his will. Ah, perhaps I am looking for a different term to describe your scrambling of brains and shredding of flesh. My sincerest apologies. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
562
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:35:00 -
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Orin Issa wrote:True Adamance wrote:Orin Issa wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Orin Issa wrote:You are on the right train of thought, soldier. What Mister Mordu offers is nothing but materialistic goods. Don't get me wrong, those are important, but they are not wealth. There are deeper motives brewing in his mind. For his sake, I hope he makes good on those rewards. Ive met one clone, a brute who wears an amplified Ak.0 Suit. Saw him break a man in half for shooting him in the head... and that was before he had his spirits.. Ah, the Amarr. They have good intentions and have a magnificent society, but their war tactics are malevolent. There is no fault in desiring further protection from such horrors. In the name of God nothing is malevolent. All is his will. Ah, perhaps I am looking for a different term to describe your scrambling of brains and shredding of flesh. My sincerest apologies. .... Its kind of what we do....but in a good way..... |
Orin Issa
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.07.13 13:36:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Orin Issa wrote:True Adamance wrote: In the name of God nothing is malevolent. All is his will.
Ah, perhaps I am looking for a different term to describe your scrambling of brains and shredding of flesh. My sincerest apologies. .... Its kind of what we do....but in a good way..... I see, most loyal follower. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
72
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:45:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:I assumed the name would hint it but I performed as a fighter bomber pilot in sansha's navy before being aboard fatal's ship working maintenance. I respect the leaders that I've worked with the most, especially the one that I am related to, but I admire the ones I haven't for bringing their people to the land of prosperity.
I had hoped that your name was an unhappy coincidence. I am sorry to hear of your relation to "The Master."
Hm. No wonder you believe command is easy.
I have been to these "lands of prosperity," soldier. They are not easy places to live-- not for the Guristas, not for the Angels, not for the vassals of the capsuleer alliances ... not really for anyone. It is why the "pirate factions" are as they are: ruthless and deadly.
And if they appear to be easy places for the Sansha True, that is only because your admired and respected relative has excised the capacity of their screams to reach their lips.
You bear a cursed heritage, younger Mr. Kuvakei. I am sorry. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Bojo's School of the Trades
152
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Posted - 2013.07.13 21:40:00 -
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(Forum ate my post)
Kuvakei is not my source of leaderdhip but fatal was, and now the rabbit is. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
74
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:58:00 -
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A Gurista pirate, then. ... I wonder whether The Rabbit would agree with you about the ease of command.
Your organization has existed for some thirty years. This is not nothing, but you will be in perhaps a stronger position to judge its worth against those of the Yulai signatory powers if it survives another two or three hundred. In the meantime, the name "Gurista," is long-standing Caldari slang for "gang."
It is a fitting name. A large pirate gang is yet some distance from being a civilization in its own right. |
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Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
360
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Posted - 2013.07.16 14:55:00 -
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Aeon, could you provide us with your calculations yielding the quote of 1,619,401,250,000 ISK in total prizes value?
I have calculated the cost of equipment destroyed necessary to claim the part of the prize (involving destroying of equipment): 100 x avg. dropsuit cost = 100 x 10,000.00 ISK = 1,000,000.00 ISK 100 x avg. vehicle cost = 100 x 60,000.00 ISK = 6,000,000.00 ISK 100 x est. instalation cost = 100 x 100,000.00 ISK = 10,000,000.00 ISK est. num. of merc. x 10,000,000.00 ISK = 4000 x 17,000,000.00 ISK = 68,000,000,000.00 ISK
And this quote i'v got is close to the cost of building a Titan class spaceship!
The huge discrepancy of prize value to cost ratio is intriguing indeed... What is he up to?
I would be more challenged if offered a Titan to destroy from within... |
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