DUST Search - Plasma Cannons? No love CCP?

Bettie Boop 2100190003 wrote:

1) If you maxed your skill before looking at what you get for it, that wasn't smart you should probably not do that again.

2) If you got to proto plasma cannons for any other reason than the reload, again not that smart.

3) Plasma cannons are in the hybrid plasma section so +10% shields & -10% armor.

4) Flaylock DPS can be increased on any suit other than logistics (excluding Amar) because you can use two, empty one switch to the other and potentially empty 8 rockets into a group. Yes you can say that the commando an dual the plasma cannon but thats one suit, not all but three suits.

5) Final thought here are some numbers going from proto level gear (though its similar down to militia) for CPU and PG COMBINED consumption by weapon type.

1Swarm Launcher
2Heavy Machine Gun
3Mass Driver
4Plasma Cannon
5Forge Gun
6Sniper Rifle
7Shotgun
8Assault Rifle
9Laser Rifle
10Scrambler Rifle
11Submachine Guns
12Scrambler Pistol
13Nova Knives
14Flaylock Pistol

Pages: 1 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 4	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:31:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously why do the plasma cannons get no love? Or is CCP planning on expanding them? Cause seriously the Plasma Cannon gets barely any upgrades in damage or anything else when you get to Proto. You get less than a 100 damage(direct) and like 30 damage(splash) bonus when you go from Standard to Proto but for Forge Guns you get a jump of 260 from Standard to Proto and increased radius. Also Forge Guns get different variants in how they are controlled and fired while Plasma Cannons get just 1 type of class. And Swarm Launchers from Standard to Proto get a damage increase of 660 if the 2 extra missiles hit with more variants as well. Coupled with the drawbacks of the Plasma Cannon with the arc so limited accurate distance and 1 shot per load there really gives not much reason to use the Plasma Cannon past standard when all you get is to squeeze in less than 100 extra base damage. Yes even though skills and modules can bump the bonus over 100 its still very disappointing. I'd like to see the weapon class to get some tuning and additions to see the Proto version worth using. At least have the Proto version like be right under or at the level of damage as a standard Forge Gun.
TakeCover OrDie Not Guilty EoN. 26	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:33:00 - [2] - Quote yea i wasted my triple sp getting it :(
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 1810	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:33:00 - [3] - Quote What's a plasma cannon? Yea, I think it would be too strong against shields for CCP if it were properly implemented, you know how much more they love shields than armor.
Galthur CrimeWave Syndicate 127	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:35:00 - [4] - Quote I love it and have no problem with it (besides direct damage which should be doubled shakes fists at CCP)
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 4	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:40:00 - [5] - Quote Galthur wrote: I love it and have no problem with it (besides direct damage which should be doubled shakes fists at CCP) I love using the Plasma Cannon too. But its just the lack of love it seems to get. The other AV weapons get not only different variants but also larger damage increases when going Standard to Proto. The weapon itself is great I just don't see much use out of using Proto versions that cost like 50k for an extra 100 damage when you can use the Standard for 1.5k
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 4	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:41:00 - [6] - Quote TakeCover OrDie wrote: yea i wasted my triple sp getting it :( Still get the bonuses for your standard but it would just be soooo much nicer if they gave a reason to actually use a Proto version
Nix Vulken Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:57:00 - [7] - Quote Yup the plasma cannon is a joke right now. Such a let down because the concept was awesome.
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 5	Posted - 2013.07.12 06:11:00 - [8] - Quote Nix Vulken wrote: Yup the plasma cannon is a joke right now. Such a let down because the concept was awesome. P.S. Anybody else find it funny the Flaylock PISTOL is stronger than the Plasma CANNON?!.. js :) I know, it is a let down. I was looking forward to the Plasma Cannon being a very viable AV weapon but it just falls flat in comparison
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 210	Posted - 2013.07.12 06:19:00 - [9] - Quote Nix Vulken wrote: Yup the plasma cannon is a joke right now. Such a let down because the concept was awesome. P.S. Anybody else find it funny the Flaylock PISTOL is stronger than the Plasma CANNON?!.. js :) It really isn't on a per shot basis
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 93	Posted - 2013.07.12 06:27:00 - [10] - Quote I wrote a thread about plasma cannon variants: link I need to get some discussion going, is it a good idea? Like it, and CCP might do some variants ;-)

Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 264	Posted - 2013.07.12 06:41:00 - [11] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Nix Vulken wrote: Yup the plasma cannon is a joke right now. Such a let down because the concept was awesome. P.S. Anybody else find it funny the Flaylock PISTOL is stronger than the Plasma CANNON?!.. js :) It really isn't on a per shot basis I think Core Flaylocks come out at around 900 damage delivered every 3.5 seconds, so about 255 DPS. Against armour, 1170 every 3.5s, 331.5 DPS. Shields, 630 with 178.5 DPS. So against armour the Flaylock likely does outperform the Plasma Cannon for pure damage output and this is disregarding the potential for a DPS increase through MinAssault granting an extra round in the magazine. Plasma Cannon's what, a 4 second reload? 0.45 to 0.6 seconds charge on top of that for roughly 1300 damage? 1300 damage every every 4.5 secs is about 290 DPS average, 319 DPS versus shields and 269 versus armour. More consistent between tank types so I guess that's one advantage.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 267	Posted - 2013.07.12 06:41:00 - [12] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Nix Vulken wrote: Yup the plasma cannon is a joke right now. Such a let down because the concept was awesome. P.S. Anybody else find it funny the Flaylock PISTOL is stronger than the Plasma CANNON?!.. js :) It really isn't on a per shot basis Woah, I was unaware the godlock was single shot. Did they nerf it that bad? I can kinda see that making sense, a powerful (not main gun powerful) shot to take out what's left after you main weapon needs to reload, but I think that might be just a wee bit too much.
DickMason Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.07.12 06:56:00 - [13] - Quote The cannons have been seriously underused since release. Buff inbound.
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 95	Posted - 2013.07.12 07:13:00 - [14] - Quote DickMason wrote: The cannons have been seriously underused since release. Buff inbound. Probably. Im just practicing with my plasma currently. When the buff comes, im gonna collect dem tears.
Bettie Boop 2100190003 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 37	Posted - 2013.07.12 07:43:00 - [15] - Quote 1) If you maxed your skill before looking at what you get for it, that wasn't smart you should probably not do that again. 2) If you got to proto plasma cannons for any other reason than the reload, again not that smart. 3) Plasma cannons are in the hybrid plasma section so +10% shields & -10% armor. 4) Flaylock DPS can be increased on any suit other than logistics (excluding Amar) because you can use two, empty one switch to the other and potentially empty 8 rockets into a group. Yes you can say that the commando an dual the plasma cannon but thats one suit, not all but three suits. 5) Final thought here are some numbers going from proto level gear (though its similar down to militia) for CPU and PG COMBINED consumption by weapon type. 1Swarm Launcher 2Heavy Machine Gun 3Mass Driver 4Plasma Cannon 5Forge Gun 6Sniper Rifle 7Shotgun 8Assault Rifle 9Laser Rifle 10Scrambler Rifle 11Submachine Guns 12Scrambler Pistol 13Nova Knives 14Flaylock Pistol
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 5	Posted - 2013.07.12 07:57:00 - [16] - Quote Bettie Boop 2100190003 wrote: 1) If you maxed your skill before looking at what you get for it, that wasn't smart you should probably not do that again. 2) If you got to proto plasma cannons for any other reason than the reload, again not that smart. 3) Plasma cannons are in the hybrid plasma section so +10% shields & -10% armor. 4) Flaylock DPS can be increased on any suit other than logistics (excluding Amar) because you can use two, empty one switch to the other and potentially empty 8 rockets into a group. Yes you can say that the commando an dual the plasma cannon but thats one suit, not all but three suits. 5) Final thought here are some numbers going from proto level gear (though its similar down to militia) for CPU and PG COMBINED consumption by weapon type. 1Swarm Launcher 2Heavy Machine Gun 3Mass Driver 4Plasma Cannon 5Forge Gun 6Sniper Rifle 7Shotgun 8Assault Rifle 9Laser Rifle 10Scrambler Rifle 11Submachine Guns 12Scrambler Pistol 13Nova Knives 14Flaylock Pistol I haven't maxed out Plasma Cannons. I saw the skills and the Adv and Proto versions and it did not entice me at all to level up Plasma Cannons a lot. I do look at skills and equipment before I spend. Just compared to other AV weapons Plasma Cannon is pretty pathetic at Proto compared to others.
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 95	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:00:00 - [17] - Quote Proto is not pathetic, you just need to use damage mods to scale it properly EDIT: Also, it is not a AV only weapon. Read Severance Pay-¦s guide on how to use it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=938550#post938550
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 5	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:06:00 - [18] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Proto is not pathetic, you just need to use damage mods to scale it properly Oh really? Cause Proto like I said ONLY adds less than a 100 damage base. Yes modules and skills can increase that but its outright pathetic compared to Protos of other weapons. That little extra bit of hundred could easily be looked over with having the skills and the modifiers with the ver cheap standard. Proto is very lacking for the Plasma Cannon.
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 95	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:37:00 - [19] - Quote Well, PRO is not un-useable, thats my definition of pathetic. But I get what you mean: The scaling from STD to PRO is pathetic :-) Especially when the direct dmg to blast damage ratio and blast radius is not changed (it does change for MD).
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 96	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:41:00 - [20] - Quote Anyways, lets get a constructive discussion going! What can CCP do to make the plasma cannon better?! Post in THREAD

Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 5	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:43:00 - [21] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Well, PRO is not un-useable, thats my definition of pathetic. But I get what you mean: The scaling from STD to PRO is pathetic :-) Especially when the direct dmg to blast damage ratio and blast radius is not changed (it does change for MD). Yea, thats the thing. The weapon isn't unusable but the scaling is just "Heh?" gives little risk/reward to it. Its more risk than reward
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 297	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:44:00 - [22] - Quote You meant the Potato Thrower ?... can you guys PLEASE stop call it a Plasma Cannon ? Jesus !!
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 96	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:55:00 - [23] - Quote I will from now on refer to the plasma cannon as "The Spudgun".
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 5	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:58:00 - [24] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Proto is not pathetic, you just need to use damage mods to scale it properly EDIT: Also, it is not a AV only weapon. Read Severance Pay-¦s guide on how to use it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=938550#post938550 The fact remains...proto scaling sucks complete ass.
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 5	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:59:00 - [25] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: You meant the Potato Thrower ?... can you guys PLEASE stop call it a Plasma Cannon ? Jesus !! My Potatoes OHK heavies then :D
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2613	Posted - 2013.07.12 10:12:00 - [26] - Quote I like to use the standard variant to murder proto caldari logi's.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 210	Posted - 2013.07.12 17:11:00 - [27] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: Nix Vulken wrote: Yup the plasma cannon is a joke right now. Such a let down because the concept was awesome. P.S. Anybody else find it funny the Flaylock PISTOL is stronger than the Plasma CANNON?!.. js :) It really isn't on a per shot basis I think Core Flaylocks come out at around 900 damage delivered every 3.5 seconds, so about 255 DPS. Against armour, 1170 every 3.5s, 331.5 DPS. Shields, 630 with 178.5 DPS. So against armour the Flaylock likely does outperform the Plasma Cannon for pure damage output and this is disregarding the potential for a DPS increase through MinAssault granting an extra round in the magazine. Plasma Cannon's what, a 4 second reload? 0.45 to 0.6 seconds charge on top of that for roughly 1300 damage? 1300 damage every 4.5 secs is about 290 DPS average, 319 DPS versus shields and 261 versus armour. More consistent between tank types so I guess that's one advantage. So let me get this straight: You compare a single shot of one gun to hitting with every single shot in the magazine of a another? You can't be serious


Pages: 1 :: [one page]