DUST Search - Laser rifles viable again?

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

Today, I decided to use my 50 free burnstalks (AUR version of standard LR), and they were actually pretty good for standard weapons.

My fitting was as such:
Amarr heavy frame A-1
'Burnstalk' Laser rifle
GN-13 flaylock (very lightly used, before you say that's all it took)
Sleek locus grenades
Basic light damage modifier
Basic armor plates
Militia armor repair unit

I found that the trick with this is to stay in 2 "key" locations-

Where your team is so you aren't singled out
A good distance away from the fighting- not sure what the optimal range is, but when it's there, you'll know it from how quickly you melt enemies.

With a little practice, it's also easy to avoid overheating, while keeping the heat high enough for optimal DPS.
Ofc, lasers are terrible at short range, so it's good to carry a sidearm. I'll soon see how the combination of the laser and an advanced SMG works.
Last but not least, remember to stay at the distance. Break the habit of charging in with your team, and instead stay in the shadow of the blob.

Not sure how it was earlier after the nerf, but I'm finding it to be pretty good right now.

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Scheneighnay McBob Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2207	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:12:00 - [1] - Quote Today, I decided to use my 50 free burnstalks (AUR version of standard LR), and they were actually pretty good for standard weapons. My fitting was as such: Amarr heavy frame A-1 'Burnstalk' Laser rifle GN-13 flaylock (very lightly used, before you say that's all it took) Sleek locus grenades Basic light damage modifier Basic armor plates Militia armor repair unit I found that the trick with this is to stay in 2 "key" locations- Where your team is so you aren't singled out A good distance away from the fighting- not sure what the optimal range is, but when it's there, you'll know it from how quickly you melt enemies. With a little practice, it's also easy to avoid overheating, while keeping the heat high enough for optimal DPS. Ofc, lasers are terrible at short range, so it's good to carry a sidearm. I'll soon see how the combination of the laser and an advanced SMG works. Last but not least, remember to stay at the distance. Break the habit of charging in with your team, and instead stay in the shadow of the blob. Not sure how it was earlier after the nerf, but I'm finding it to be pretty good right now.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1210	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:18:00 - [2] - Quote Scrambler Rifle > Laser Rifle
HYENAKILLER X Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:19:00 - [3] - Quote I will trade you my 49 burnstalkers for 3 balacs assualt rifles and some dirt
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 137	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:22:00 - [4] - Quote The overheating stripping my shields caused my death a number of times so I stopped using my free copies. Though I did manage to kill a couple of people.
Gigatron Prime The.Primes 200	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:24:00 - [5] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Scrambler Rifle > Laser Rifle AR> Everything
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1211	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:25:00 - [6] - Quote Gigatron Prime wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Scrambler Rifle > Laser Rifle AR> Everything LLAV > AR
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 666	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:29:00 - [7] - Quote I'm starting to think that each race will have a kind of 'stand off' weapon. It is weakest at short ranges but superior as a support weapon at mid to long ranges. This fits the md and laser rifle. To an extent, the sniper rifle fits it also.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 672	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:33:00 - [8] - Quote Pretty sure the LR has been viable this entire time. But since nobody uses it, nobody gets killed by it, therefore it gets ignored. Some people used it at the beginning of uprising and realized it was not like the LR in Chromo, and spread the word that the LR was useless, therefore very few ever touched it because we all believed it sucked. I have been killed by a LR a total of 2 times since uprising, and each time I got melted instantly. First time was with the std variant, second time was with the ELM. LR still packs a real big punch, you just have to utilize the optimal range more than you had to in Chromo.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 255	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:38:00 - [9] - Quote Gigatron Prime wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Scrambler Rifle > Laser Rifle AR> Everything Indeed
Sinboto Simmons Sver true blood Public Disorder. 614	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:40:00 - [10] - Quote Ive heard they're still good but there's something wrong with the sights, true or false?

Boot Booter Elite Gamers Militia 30	Posted - 2013.07.11 22:58:00 - [11] - Quote So. Recently they fixed the aiming so there was glare and you could actually see what you were shooting. This being said, the LR is still quite underpowered. Yes, there are times when you can melt opponents quickly but you have to be in a great spot and the enemy has to be kinda just sitting around. The other issue is the damage doesn't scale up with advanced and proto lasers. The only real way to effectively use this weapon is by fully speccing into it and throwing on damage mods (the ammar assault helps as well). When you compare all the requirements of this to other weapons, it's just not worth it... Yet. Proof? Try making an alternative and quickly going to the laser in the academy noob matches...
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1213	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:01:00 - [12] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Try making an alternative and quickly going to the laser in the academy noob matches... I can beat most of the noobs in there with my basic melee lol.
Scheneighnay McBob Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2208	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:06:00 - [13] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Scrambler Rifle > Laser Rifle At short-mid range, it's supposed to be. But the laser rifle is better for mid-long
Scheneighnay McBob Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2208	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:07:00 - [14] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Ive heard they're still good but there's something wrong with the sights, true or false? Sights are unusual, but not bad. They have the same problem as the AR sights that the tip of the pin covers where you're hitting.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1214	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:09:00 - [15] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Scrambler Rifle > Laser Rifle At short-mid range, it's supposed to be. But the laser rifle is better for mid-long Nope. I've been killed by the laser once since uprising (I've seen at least 7 laser users) and right after that I killed him with one charged scrambler shot to the head.
Scheneighnay McBob Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2209	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:19:00 - [16] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Scrambler Rifle > Laser Rifle At short-mid range, it's supposed to be. But the laser rifle is better for mid-long Nope. I've been killed by the laser once since uprising (I've seen at least 7 laser users) and right after that I killed him with one charged scrambler shot to the head. Most other LR users I've seen are pretty damn stupid- they try killing at short range.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 550	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:23:00 - [17] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Today, I decided to use my 50 free burnstalks (AUR version of standard LR), and they were actually pretty good for standard weapons. My fitting was as such: Amarr heavy frame A-1 'Burnstalk' Laser rifle GN-13 flaylock (very lightly used, before you say that's all it took) Sleek locus grenades Basic light damage modifier Basic armor plates Militia armor repair unit I found that the trick with this is to stay in 2 "key" locations- Where your team is so you aren't singled out A good distance away from the fighting- not sure what the optimal range is, but when it's there, you'll know it from how quickly you melt enemies. With a little practice, it's also easy to avoid overheating, while keeping the heat high enough for optimal DPS. Ofc, lasers are terrible at short range, so it's good to carry a sidearm. I'll soon see how the combination of the laser and an advanced SMG works. Last but not least, remember to stay at the distance. Break the habit of charging in with your team, and instead stay in the shadow of the blob. Not sure how it was earlier after the nerf, but I'm finding it to be pretty good right now. Dude you are late to the party. Its not that they are any better or worse than they were at the start or uprsing they just don't have the blue glow anymore
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 550	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:24:00 - [18] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Scrambler Rifle > Laser Rifle At short-mid range, it's supposed to be. But the laser rifle is better for mid-long Nope. I've been killed by the laser once since uprising (I've seen at least 7 laser users) and right after that I killed him with one charged scrambler shot to the head. Sounds like a lot of bravado boosting bull **** to me....
Protocake JR Internal Error. League of Infamy 148	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:25:00 - [19] - Quote I'll consistently go ~15/2 with my Viziam suit. Ever since they dimmed the laser glare and increased range, the laser has become usable.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1215	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:31:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Scrambler Rifle > Laser Rifle At short-mid range, it's supposed to be. But the laser rifle is better for mid-long Nope. I've been killed by the laser once since uprising (I've seen at least 7 laser users) and right after that I killed him with one charged scrambler shot to the head. Sounds like a lot of bravado boosting bull **** to me.... No bull shit here sir.

Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Top Men. 175	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:36:00 - [21] - Quote The biggest problem with the LR is the sights. Return them to what they were (you can leave the zoom alone), and it'd be a decent weapon.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 550	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:41:00 - [22] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: The biggest problem with the LR is the sights. Return them to what they were (you can leave the zoom alone), and it'd be a decent weapon. They're bad but not that bad.
Protocake JR Internal Error. League of Infamy 148	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:46:00 - [23] - Quote I think the important lesson here is that there are more factors that contribute to a weapons effectiveness other than your most basic raw quantifiable data (damage, range, rof). Hopefully this will open up a box of creative ways to balance weapons without making breaking the weapon itself or others.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 550	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:48:00 - [24] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: I think the important lesson here is that there are more factors that contribute to a weapons effectiveness other than your most basic raw quantifiable data (damage, range, rof). Hopefully this will open up a box of creative ways to balance weapons without making breaking the weapon itself or others. Yup that viziam hurt like a *****....
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 234	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:51:00 - [25] - Quote Saw a laser rifle sniping the other day, burnt my shields and made an impressive light show.
Provolonee Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY 71	Posted - 2013.07.11 23:57:00 - [26] - Quote Removing the glare helped, aiming it is not that bad. The optimum range is a whopping 20m (65-85) inside that range when heated the dmg is ok. Outside of that range tag the enemy, hope somebody else kills him for the +25. You have to use dropships to get to those 1-2 spots on the map you can be effective. Being in that sweet spot where the dmg is ok, is very hard. I would like to see its range be 30m-85m. Atleast then you could use it on the ground for something more than grabbing +25's
Sytonis Auran Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 54	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:07:00 - [27] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Ive heard they're still good but there's something wrong with the sights, true or false? True. Aiming: -The iron sights are obstructive. -The 'zoom' reduces your peripheral vision. -The only way i can tell if I am on target is if the UI shows up with their suit type and shield/armour and I see their shields go down. -I can only tell if i am hitting if their health is going down. -Theres one particular surface texture and mood lighting which makes the ground really shiney. Shooting from an elevated position down on it I can't see targets. -Hip fire is unusable due to the ranges it needs to operate at. Aiming isn't the only problem to using the laser effectively. As the only dedicated laser user in my corp, I get asked if the laser is worth using. It is, but with very heavy caveats: - You need to dedicate your play style to use it effectively. This includes positioning yourself in effective areas with wide and long fields of view. - You need to learn what range is with no visual clue other than the UI showing dropsuit stats when on target. You need to know 66-74 or 85, the optimal and effective ranges (at least of the standard laser in the ranges thread.) Its something you need to get an innate sense of. I've had to learn the new ranges and have gone from 79 longest kill to 84. - You need to be able to put the laser on target and be able to keep it on target as they move. With the obstruction I have noted above with the beam and iron site, this is not straightforward. - To operate the laser effectively you need to switch to a sidearm and be comfortable using it. Switch if within 40m or someone gets the jump on you. My preference is the SMG. - You need to have a sense of timing with the ammo as you keep your continuous fire. You don't have time to watch the ammo count and keep the laser on target. With the reduced damage compared to Chromosome you need to get the laser heated to the point of overheat, without going over. With Viziam Laser 33 is the overheat point on all suits, the Amarr Assault Proto is 11. 33 is not enough to kill heavily tanked suits or most proto. I cant give the figures for other lasers or Amarr suits as I dont use them. Learn how long you can keep this fire going and stop before 11. I've got the knack of stopping at 12 or 13. Getting to 12 allows you to 'swipe' 2 people as long as they are both close. - I've yet to suicide outside the initial Uprising learning curve but the overheat causes problems outside just damage to yourself and inability to run or switch to sidearm. Even when you have weapons free you still need to reload. There's a glitch where quite often you try to reload and your unable so you need to switch to sidearm and then back. The time from overheat to having a fully reloaded weapon can make the difference between having area control and having enemies close or get multiple fire points on you. Even with all of the above, the laser is my favourite weapon. I can only recommend it if people go Viziam and Proto Amarr Assault and dedicate their play style to it.
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 730	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:09:00 - [28] - Quote I have been killed a few times by the LR...it is but a shell of its former glory indeed. When skilling into a wepon people tend to go for the most bang for their sp and the LR is pretty much at the bottom of the list. Anybody can become decent with any wepon..... it is just those that are willing to overcome the learning curve " death" that comes with it.
Protocake JR Internal Error. League of Infamy 148	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:10:00 - [29] - Quote Sytonis Auran wrote: Even with all of the above, the laser is my favourite weapon. I can only recommend it if people go Viziam and Proto Amarr Assault and dedicate their play style to it. +1
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 56	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:16:00 - [30] - Quote If I wasn't saving my SP for other things I would probably run with a Carthum Scrambler rifle over my Duvalle. Reasons, Higher Damage per bullet, and more bullets per clip. Also it has a larger optimal range than the AR.

Sytonis Auran Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 55	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:19:00 - [31] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Eltra Ardell wrote: The biggest problem with the LR is the sights. Return them to what they were (you can leave the zoom alone), and it'd be a decent weapon. They're bad but not that bad. I agree with Eltra. Remove the iron sights and go back to the old 'camera' view. It's a laser, the beam is the aim function. Its a laser pointer! The weapon already has enough 'quirks' and the beam equally targets and let's your enemy know where you are. With this change I'd be fine with the excessive overheat problems and the constraints on range where its usable. I can't comment on lower tier lasers but I'm fine with the damage output of the Viziam.
Protocake JR Internal Error. League of Infamy 149	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:20:00 - [32] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: If I wasn't saving my SP for other things I would probably run with a Carthum Scrambler rifle over my Duvalle. Reasons, Higher Damage per bullet, and more bullets per clip. Also it has a larger optimal range than the AR. This is a laser rifle thread, not a scrambler rifle thread. But just some advice, even though the ASC has better damage and clip size, it has higher dispersion and the combination of yellow tinted sights, with yellow tinted dot, with GLARING yellow tinted muzzle flash can reduce your accuracy by a lot at range.
Goregasm Elite Feral Children 0	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:22:00 - [33] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Gigatron Prime wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Scrambler Rifle > Laser Rifle AR> Everything LLAV > AR invisibility > LAV
Sytonis Auran Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 55	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:29:00 - [34] - Quote I forgot to add to the iron sight being the worst thing about laser comment that the iron sights and the range it operates at prevent aiming at heads. Lasers have joint second headshot bonus damage of 180%. I average 1-2 headshots per match out of 20 kills and I'm more likely to get 1 of those with my SMG which gets much less usage.
HYENAKILLER X Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2013.07.12 00:50:00 - [35] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Ive heard they're still good but there's something wrong with the sights, true or false? Lol sights only thing good about it
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 553	Posted - 2013.07.12 01:56:00 - [36] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Saw a laser rifle sniping the other day, burnt my shields and made an impressive light show. Was it me? I tend to he flashier than I should with them
Your Absolut End Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder. 116	Posted - 2013.07.12 02:18:00 - [37] - Quote the laser got buffed i think 1 or 2 weeks ago. it started in uprising with a base dmg of 15, now we have 17. chromo viziam had 20. believe me i watch my babies all the time. used them in chromo, in beginning of uprising, specced away from them and just recently checked the burnstalk. it does more base dmg and like u sqid the glow is gone. its a decent weapon but not worth the effort. a weapon who does no dmg on every ither range has to do infinitive dmg on its optimal, otherwise theres no balance. i stick to scr.
Green Living 0uter.Heaven 564	Posted - 2013.07.12 02:43:00 - [38] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Scrambler Rifle > Laser Rifle At short-mid range, it's supposed to be. But the laser rifle is better for mid-long Nope. I've been killed by the laser once since uprising (I've seen at least 7 laser users) and right after that I killed him with one charged scrambler shot to the head. Most other LR users I've seen are pretty damn stupid- they try killing at short range. Clearly you haven't ran into me yet.


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