Damus Trifarn
The Yellow Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:14:00 -
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These are my thoughts on what should be done to the HMG to make it a more viable option in Dust 514. I'm a proficient HMG user with a good track record using it. However I notice some problems with the weapon, and here is what I reccomend to fix some problems, particularly accuracy, range, and damage. To show the great imbalances in range between the two weapons I've pulled up some real world weapon ranges.
The glorious realm of Wikipedia gave me these stats for these real world weapons:
1. The M134 Minigun (I know it's an HMG, but realistically heavies are holding miniguns) has an effective range of 1000m (other sources are showing me that its even greater, even up to 1500m)
2. The M60 Machine Gun (just in case some don't think it's a minigun) has an effective range of 1,100m
3. The FAMAS AR has an effective range of 450m, the AK47 has an effective range of 350m, and the M16 550m or 800m
Again, this is Wikipedia, so anyone feel free to correct my numbers.
Someone please explain to me why both the HMG and Minigun have much greater ranges than ARs and yet in Dust ARs are outclassing HMGs in range? With the 1.2 range has been increased and there's absolute range and such, but it's not effective range, and the AR still outclasses the HMG in range because the AR still does more damage at greater ranges than the HMG. This range difference should be fixed (Though I'm suggesting we use the above numbers for these weapons. That would get messy), because while the AR should do more damage it should by no means have a range advantage over the HMG. I believe that changing the ranges could fix some problems with the HMG and make it a more viable option, or at least have an advantage over the AR.
And now to the more volatile topic, the damage:
I'm using the Boundless Heavy Machine Gun vs. Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle
Duvolle: 34.1 x 60 = 2046 dmg per clip
Boundless: 18.4(?) x 425 = 7480 dmg per clip
Not much need to change that, right? HMG far outclasses the AR in damage, right? Well, considering that the AR is way more accurate, combined with the fact that the range is greater and that HMG bullets have difficulty getting down shields destroy any advantage of dmg per clip, not to mention overheating on part of the HMG. How to even the odds? Well, I do not propose a damage buff to the HMG over an extra 5 points, and even then I'm skeptical about that. I'd settle for evening out damage to shields and armor, but that goes against the type of ammunition used, so some may find problems with that. So I'm thinking that the AR could lose some accuracy. Honestly, if I want a laser beam I'll invest in the Laser Rifle, not the Assault Rifle. Also, make the HMG more accurate so that the gun can actually use 425 bullets (minus overheating limit) per clip effectively.
My reasoning behind these recommendations are that the HMG is outclassed by the Assault rifle in places where it should flourish, damage and range. Before we freak out and say that I want the HMG to be the new AR, hear me out.
HMG's are traditionally used as guns to mow down enemies with brute force. Currently the HMG has no brute force. If we can give the HMG damage, accuracy, and range, here's what happens: say a soldier with an AR tries to find an objective, then sees a Heavy with a HMG in front of him. What currently happens: either bunny hops or a quick kill with an absurd amount of damage dished out compared to the HMG because the HMG can't aim or have meaningful damage to save its life. What should happen: AR guy finds cover and tactically takes the Heavy down because a direct assault would be suicide due to the HMG's accuracy and damage. 9 times out of 10 a Heavy with an HMG should win 1v1 encounters unless in close quarters. The HMG's turning speed is a good thing. The weapon should be a trade of speed and mobility for power and accuracy. Currently, its a trade of speed and mobility for a gun with poor accuracy, poor damage, and no advantages that an AR doesn't already have. Just my thoughts on the weapon, and would love to hear feedback.
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Damus Trifarn
The Yellow Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:59:00 -
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My reason for saying that the HMG is not effective at close quarters is that it is very easy for an enemy to evade and avoid the HMG due to slow turning speed. I'm not saying that we should make the HMG less effective at close quarters, but rather let its tradeoffs already set in the game give it that limitation. After all, these weapons need tradeoffs. On the other hand, I don't condone HMG's shooting across the map with pinpoint accuracy, but I do believe that the current range should be improved so that the HMG can compete with Assault Rifles when it comes to range. As for the idea of a suppression gun, I believe that in order to be a suppression weapon the gun must be lethal. The whole point of suppression is to make the enemy think "If i move from this spot I will either be seriously damaged or killed", and the HMG can't do that. People don't worry about being mowed down by a HMG if they go into open ground because the HMG can't do anything due to dispersion and range. I do like the idea of increased armor also, or more health. As it stands the Heavy suit does seem rather fragile. The only problem is figuring out how much health to add or how much resistance should be put in. The Heavy suit is very difficult to alter; too little, and it's weak and not worth the SP and ISK. Alter too much, and its unstoppable. |
Damus Trifarn
The Yellow Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:11:00 -
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While I do see the argument for the HMG being a good CQC weapon, it's just not feasible for the game. The Heavy suit turns too slowly and is too big a target to be effective at close range. The only time I've ever been able to get off a lot of kills in close range is when the enemy stands in front of me with nowhere to go or when I happen to be behind them. Otherwise they manage to evade the slow turning speed. As it stands, CQC is not a forte of Dust, and I believe that the HMG should instead have greater range. Also, there are already guns specialized in CQC, like SMGs and shotguns. I don't see the need for another CQC weapon, especially one with such a high SP and ISK requirement. |