DUST Search - Bomber Dropship = Fighter Pre-Nerf

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Skihids wrote:

I'd like to see the justification for a bomb that can't fall all the way to the ground. That would be the most ludicrous way to limit the effectiveness of a bomber. Uh sorry, your bomb fell too far so it disabled itself!

The real limit would be in targeting accuracy. Those who actually fly know how small and indistinct targets appear from the flight celling. The pilot would need a ground spotter to be effective without a high zoom. Actually a bomber should have a variable zoom predictive bomb sight. They were invented decades ago and I can't see the idea being lost.

I really hope we don't end up with a cross-hair bombsight that is fixed 90 degrees from the bottom of the ship in such a way that a small bit of roll makes it useless for aiming. At the very least it should point directly below the ship no matter its orientation so we know where the bombs will fall.

Again, why have bombs on a Dropship at all? Why not put them on an aircraft that would make more sense to use them, and give pilots more options than the latest Dropship re-color?


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Skihids Bullet Cluster 1715	Posted - 2013.07.09 19:37:00 - [1] - Quote I've mentioned several times that the dropship needs a few viable support roles, and adding another slaying role with the bomber variant is not a good substitute. I arrive at this position from seeing what happens when a vehicle becomes an effective infantry killer. The mass of players who run on the ground immediately cry for a nerf and eventually get one, further eroding the utility of the vehicle. On the other hand support roles generally get left alone. Aside from the case of Caldari Logis being used as assault fits the majority of infantry players are happy to let logis earn WP's in exchange for their services. Yes, give the dropship both active and passive defenses and let it perform some close air support, but don't make that the only thing they are good for or the 99.9% of players who are non dropship pilots will rise up and castrate the dropship again. Give us pilots something interesting to do. Something that benefits our team without necessarily competing with them for kills. Make it something that we can do the entire match, not just an initial transport or drop uplink deployment. Make it player skill intensive so we can be proud of how well we get the mission done. Pilots are proud of their skill and don't want just anyone to be able to do what they can with no training or practice. I know that request is a lot more difficult to fulfill than creating a bomber because it involves other systems or the creation of whole new match types that don't depend entirely on DPS to win. I don't expect it in any version of Uprising, but I would love to know what plans if any CCP has in this area.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1715	Posted - 2013.07.09 19:53:00 - [2] - Quote I'd like to see the justification for a bomb that can't fall all the way to the ground. That would be the most ludicrous way to limit the effectiveness of a bomber. Uh sorry, your bomb fell too far so it disabled itself! The real limit would be in targeting accuracy. Those who actually fly know how small and indistinct targets appear from the flight celling. The pilot would need a ground spotter to be effective without a high zoom. Actually a bomber should have a variable zoom predictive bomb sight. They were invented decades ago and I can't see the idea being lost. I really hope we don't end up with a cross-hair bombsight that is fixed 90 degrees from the bottom of the ship in such a way that a small bit of roll makes it useless for aiming. At the very least it should point directly below the ship no matter its orientation so we know where the bombs will fall.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1715	Posted - 2013.07.09 19:58:00 - [3] - Quote Dropships aren't the only vehicles suffering from a lack of viable missions. Take the LLAV for example. Its original purpose was to support ground troops and it's got a wicked good remote repper, but it's the current scourge of infantry because the module is terrible to use and gives no reward. There seems to be a general lack of interest on CCP's part to integrate vehicles into general play in a meaningful way.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1715	Posted - 2013.07.09 20:00:00 - [4] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Skihids wrote: I'd like to see the justification for a bomb that can't fall all the way to the ground. That would be the most ludicrous way to limit the effectiveness of a bomber. Uh sorry, your bomb fell too far so it disabled itself! The real limit would be in targeting accuracy. Those who actually fly know how small and indistinct targets appear from the flight celling. The pilot would need a ground spotter to be effective without a high zoom. Actually a bomber should have a variable zoom predictive bomb sight. They were invented decades ago and I can't see the idea being lost. I really hope we don't end up with a cross-hair bombsight that is fixed 90 degrees from the bottom of the ship in such a way that a small bit of roll makes it useless for aiming. At the very least it should point directly below the ship no matter its orientation so we know where the bombs will fall. Again, why have bombs on a Dropship at all? Why not put them on an aircraft that would make more sense to use them, and give pilots more options than the latest Dropship re-color? Oh, I agree with you. If we are going to get it anyway I just don't want to see it delivered hopelessly broken. We don't need one more temptation for new players to throw away hard earned SP and ISK on junk only to quit DUST in frustration.