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Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us ROFL BROS
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Posted - 2013.07.09 10:06:00 -
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my main suit is a basic logi with an exhile or a basic mass driver, basic plates and extenders, flux, uplink,nano, remote explosives
proto suits go boom
its the people who give up that are the problem, not the proto suits. the stomping only begins when the people like you start giving up and dont use uplinks, afk, snipe, and otherwise do nothing for half the game.
instead of doing that i kill proto suits ith my basic suit of explosive death.
when i get put up against a team of protos its my own team i curse not them
the only difference between me in that suit and someone with less than 4m SP are a few points in HP and a few points in damage, both of wich can be overcome by simply using better mods than me.
the problem with proto stomps is that you all give up, sun in on your own, dont focus fire, dont use uyplinks to establish a forward position, dont run away when outnumbered, and otherwise just seem to stop thinking and give up.
the problem with proto stomps arnt the protos, its ht e people on the other team who use it as an excuse to not try |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
83
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Posted - 2013.07.09 10:07:00 -
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Oh shut up. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us ROFL BROS
263
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Posted - 2013.07.09 10:23:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:Oh shut up. ohhh join a real corp |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
52
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Posted - 2013.07.09 10:36:00 -
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He's right. If your enemy doesn't happen to be a Caldari Logi Proto with unlimited shields (these are the problematic guys) you can easily kill them with the Militia Assault Rifle. Of course you shouldn't run directly at him with guns blazing. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us ROFL BROS
264
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Posted - 2013.07.09 10:38:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:He's right. If your enemy doesn't happen to be a Caldari Logi Proto with unlimited shields (these are the problemativ guys) you can easily kill them with the Militia Assault Rifle. Of course you shouldn't run directly at him with guns blazing.
infinate shields are defeated by flux :P caldari logis fear my fluxes, mass driver and remote explosives :P |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
87
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Posted - 2013.07.09 10:40:00 -
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ill have to respectfully disagree with your thread my good sir. by your account, you imply 2 teams of equal skill, 1 team in basic gear and the other in full proto is on even keel with the team in proto having no advantage what so ever...this is... and I mean this respectfully... utterly ridiculous.
I kill my fair share of protos in my dren gear, using explosives and running them over... but this doesn't mean we are on even keel... it means the guys in proto made mistakes, i.e. not checking for remotes running out in the open with no cover or simply lacking a good gun game... or even having the wrong mods in their suit.
most pub matches where one team is being proto stomped usually has more than just a gear disadvantage, they don't have organized squads or communication and usually lack the in game experience the proto stompers possess, but even if this was not the case and both teams were even in all these things the protos for their gear alone have the advantage... they are also usually more broke then the guy running bp or basic/militia gear, because we can die 20 times and still make isk where as the protos die a few times and all the have to show for it is an empty win to go along with their empty wallet. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us ROFL BROS
265
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Posted - 2013.07.09 10:50:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:ill have to respectfully disagree with your thread my good sir. by your account, you imply 2 teams of equal skill, 1 team in basic gear and the other in full proto is on even keel with the team in proto having no advantage what so ever...this is... and I mean this respectfully... utterly ridiculous. I kill my fair share of protos in my dren gear, using explosives and running them over... but this doesn't mean we are on even keel... it means the guys in proto made mistakes, i.e. not checking for remotes running out in the open with no cover or simply lacking a good gun game... or even having the wrong mods in their suit. most pub matches where one team is being proto stomped usually has more than just a gear disadvantage, they don't have organized squads or communication and usually lack the in game experience the proto stompers possess, but even if this was not the case and both teams were even in all these things the protos for their gear alone have the advantage... they are also usually more broke then the guy running bp or basic/militia gear, because we can die 20 times and still make isk where as the protos die a few times and all the have to show for it is an empty win to go along with their empty wallet.
the only reason there are proto stomps is because people give up against them.
the solution is to keep fighting, in any way possable, and drain their wallet. make them PAY for that win, make them PAY for that advantage, and make the cost of it so high that they think twice about it unless the win is truly nessesary (PC)
against a proto stomp my only objective is to collect heads and make them pay loads of isk for their empty victory. |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
87
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Posted - 2013.07.09 11:31:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Oh shut up. ohhh join a real corp
Better than yours |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us ROFL BROS
265
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Posted - 2013.07.09 11:33:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Oh shut up. ohhh join a real corp Better than yours
methinks your too small of a grunt to know what your corps up to :P
also im pretty sure your not a big enough fish to be on the ghost wolf A team, so you would know that we tends to beat you alot. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD Covert Intervention
493
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Posted - 2013.07.09 11:35:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:a corp run by a scammer and a meth addict :P Seems like a clear violation of terms of service.
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Daedric Lothar
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
1063
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Posted - 2013.07.09 11:37:00 -
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3/10 Troll Thread. You need to be more subtle or more agressive to really get the flame on. |
Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
277
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Posted - 2013.07.09 12:11:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:my main suit is a basic logi with an exhile or a basic mass driver, basic plates and extenders, flux, uplink,nano, remote explosives
proto suits go boom
its the people who give up that are the problem, not the proto suits. the stomping only begins when the people like you start giving up and dont use uplinks, afk, snipe, and otherwise do nothing for half the game.
instead of doing that i kill proto suits ith my basic suit of explosive death.
when i get put up against a team of protos its my own team i curse not them
the only difference between me in that suit and someone with less than 4m SP are a few points in HP and a few points in damage, both of wich can be overcome by simply using better mods than me.
the problem with proto stomps is that you all give up, sun in on your own, dont focus fire, dont use uyplinks to establish a forward position, dont run away when outnumbered, and otherwise just seem to stop thinking and give up.
the problem with proto stomps arnt the protos, its ht e people on the other team who use it as an excuse to not try
Chances Ghost you are to correct I don't consider the people I have been put on a team with my team mates until they prove they are worthy to fight by me. Reason 1.2 wasn't any fun for me was because of the terrible teams I would be put on. I mean 3 people in the MCC, 1 at our base, 2 others dropshipping to some random ass point in the map, 2 others scrambled around the objectives and the other half of the team not even spawnt in! No one wants to play on these teams and it's one of the reasons I hate 1.2 and MCC camp and just drive LAVS. I am actually greatful when I get a team that works together they are so rare. CCP needs to combat MCC camping it's a viable tactic to make sp and isk for 0 loss but damn is it annoying as hell. |
Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
277
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Posted - 2013.07.09 12:14:00 -
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Ha this good thread is being trolled he spoke the truth
Peace Erris |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
17
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:32:00 -
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Incorrect nonsense.
Players don't ask to get pub-stomped, pub-stompers just do it.
In the real world that's similar to saying that a victim is responsible for being assaulted and the assaulter's actions are not the cause. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
190
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:47:00 -
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This wasn't really worth posting in two different subforums. |
pseudosnipre
DUST University Ivy League
58
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:58:00 -
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Squadding with new players, i hear a lot of warbarge chatter about breaking out lawnchairs in the mcc or only running cheap gear as they go through the monotony that is a pubstomping. They dont care about costing vets money and winning is deemed unachievable, so I can see the OPs pov.
Being too green for gun game, too new for advanced gear, and too inexperienced to have seen effective grand strategy they should concede defeat...but most dont. Most keep trying to succeed but dont know how. I love squadding with positive new players bc they flood the links i drop and the objectives i cap.
I dont mind going negative when we still have boots on the ground pushing those objectives. Its the matches where my spawn screen shows only two people on the field that get me wondering why i bother...and it's happening more often.
Give these vets something better to do or base your growth model on converting dwarf fortress players...DF 514 ftw, CCP. |
Dale Templar
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
200
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:58:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Oh shut up. ohhh join a real corp
oh stop being a ****** |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us ROFL BROS
291
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:48:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:This wasn't really worth posting in two different subforums. yah i definatly posted it here first by mistake |
nukel head
Knights of No Republic
45
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Posted - 2013.07.09 22:02:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:my main suit is a basic logi with an exhile or a basic mass driver, basic plates and extenders, flux, uplink,nano, remote explosives
proto suits go boom
its the people who give up that are the problem, not the proto suits. the stomping only begins when the people like you start giving up and dont use uplinks, afk, snipe, and otherwise do nothing for half the game.
instead of doing that i kill proto suits ith my basic suit of explosive death.
when i get put up against a team of protos its my own team i curse not them
the only difference between me in that suit and someone with less than 4m SP are a few points in HP and a few points in damage, both of wich can be overcome by simply using better mods than me.
the problem with proto stomps is that you all give up, sun in on your own, dont focus fire, dont use uyplinks to establish a forward position, dont run away when outnumbered, and otherwise just seem to stop thinking and give up.
the problem with proto stomps arnt the protos, its ht e people on the other team who use it as an excuse to not try
In many cases you are right. There have been plenty of matches I have been in where we could have won had most of the blue dots not retreated back to the redline to snipe. However, expecting players fresh out of the academy to be able to suck it up and fend off a queue-synched stack of protos with all the proto trimmings (high level tanks, logi lavs, core flaylock, freedom mass driver, boundless hmg, etc) is unreasonable. |
STABBEY
WarRavens League of Infamy
60
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:09:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:my main suit is a basic logi with an exhile or a basic mass driver, basic plates and extenders, flux, uplink,nano, remote explosives
proto suits go boom
its the people who give up that are the problem, not the proto suits. the stomping only begins when the people like you start giving up and dont use uplinks, afk, snipe, and otherwise do nothing for half the game.
instead of doing that i kill proto suits ith my basic suit of explosive death.
when i get put up against a team of protos its my own team i curse not them
the only difference between me in that suit and someone with less than 4m SP are a few points in HP and a few points in damage, both of wich can be overcome by simply using better mods than me.
the problem with proto stomps is that you all give up, sun in on your own, dont focus fire, dont use uyplinks to establish a forward position, dont run away when outnumbered, and otherwise just seem to stop thinking and give up.
the problem with proto stomps arnt the protos, its ht e people on the other team who use it as an excuse to not try
I fully agree, I run BPO's in pub matchs. To me pub is for gaining isk. PC is for competition.
Most of the guys that proto stomp do it because without that proto gear they suck, and just die all over the place using anything less. When you see corps proto stomping every match its usually because they arent skilled enough to play PC.
I personaly make it my mission to chase down proto stompers in pub matches with my BPO suit just to cost them as much money as possible. You kill them 1 time and they make no money in that match. my BPO costs 2k isk there suit costs 150k-200k.
DONT HIDE, FOCUS ON THEM! I enjoy costing the noobs money |
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Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
289
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:42:00 -
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Eno Raef wrote:Incorrect nonsense.
Players don't ask to get pub-stomped, pub-stompers just do it.
In the real world that's similar to saying that a victim is responsible for being assaulted and the assaulter's actions are not the cause.
Ones a video game and another is real life the comparison can't be made he is saying one side is being pub stumped because they do not show enough effort on the battlefield. I have noticed even low skill point players can do a lot if they simply worked as a team this isn't shown in many instant battles. |
Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
289
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Posted - 2013.07.10 03:43:00 -
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pseudosnipre wrote:Squadding with new players, i hear a lot of warbarge chatter about breaking out lawnchairs in the mcc or only running ch eap gear as they go through the monotony that is a pubstomping. They dont care about costing vets money and winning is deemed unachievable, so I can see the OPs pov. Being too green for gun game, too new for advanced gear, and too inexperienced to have seen effective grand strategy they should concede defeat...but most dont. Most keep trying to succeed but dont know how. I love squadding with positive new players bc they flood the links i drop and the objectives i cap. I dont mind going negative when we still have boots on the ground pushing those objectives. Its the matches where my spawn screen shows only two people on the field that get me wondering why i bother...and it's happening more often. Give these vets something better to do or base your growth model on converting dwarf fortress players...DF 514 ftw, CCP.
100% agree sometimes only half of our team spawns in and half of the ones spawned in are camping the MCC or our base in the redline. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Top Men.
95
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Posted - 2013.07.10 04:35:00 -
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I can repeat myself here one more time:
Solving this problem is very hard. You first need to prepare and fix some mechanics before you can chance the motivation. Yes, it is the motivation, I see a lot of people leaving games if they see >= 3 ppl from one corp. A couple just afk in the MCC, because GÇ£itGÇÖs not worth trying against themGÇ¥.
I see two major problems which need to be solved.
Problem number one: Guiding/Leading the herd. In the most games more than half of the people are not in the squad. I think it would be great if randoms could get a fast join possibility like you see it in BF3. If you have a squad open, and you donGÇÖt lock it, this people can join you, and if there are leftovers, a new squad will be created. Now that you have the herd, you need to guide it. And the spin wheel squad commando menu=SQM is not a validate tool for this. We need something faster, and of course bug free. Things like: increasing the distance between the panels (in the SQM), adding new options, like showing a path or way to go, increasing the highlighting speed, by maybe highlight the enemies for the squad to see who is the squad / squad leader shooting right now are just a few possibilities. Guiding this herd is one problem.
Problem number two: Motivation. People need to see why it is worth killing a proto, CCP could accomplish that by showing at the end of the game more statistics, like GÇ£who killed the most expensive cloneGÇ¥, GÇ£how much ISK are destroyedGÇ¥, maybe even have a minimal chance to get the salvage loot from a killed enemy (not all the fit, just leftovers). The people must feel the need to join a squad. This could be accomplished via more WP, by more I mean: WP for spotting and scanning enemies and killing the highlighted (this should be the one highlighted via member via shooting at him, and not via the SQM) enemy. This are just examples, but this way even a sniper would feel the need to join a squad.
Now, I think these two things should be fixed at least, and you will see random groups rise against corp squads.
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Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
131
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Posted - 2013.07.10 04:43:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Oh shut up. ohhh join a real corp Better than yours methinks your too small of a grunt to know what your corps up to :P also im pretty sure your not a big enough fish to be on the ghost wolf A team, so you would know that we tends to beat you alot.
^ Guy must not know who he's trying to **** with |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
261
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Posted - 2013.07.10 05:40:00 -
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I agree to some extent but this isn't true for some instances. When you are alone in a match with a squad of 3 (or more) wel organised prototypes then you can expect to die a lot. I personally don't give up however, I get into my LAV and zoom around the map waiting for one of them to make a mistake, or I try and outsmart them.
The problem with protos is that the teams are usually heavily unbalanced, meaning that you often get a full squad on the other team, where your team is entirely consisted of little nublets, with no idea wtf is going on. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us ROFL BROS
301
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Posted - 2013.07.10 09:22:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Oh shut up. ohhh join a real corp Better than yours methinks your too small of a grunt to know what your corps up to :P also im pretty sure your not a big enough fish to be on the ghost wolf A team, so you would know that we tends to beat you alot. ^ Guy must not know who he's trying to **** with
Bring it, i dont think weve lost to you yet, and we dont plan on starting
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