AV grenades should do damage. but as stated in my op, tanks armor should be adjusted, to gain more resistance to damage, so harderners dont put you up to 50-60%, they take you to you closer to 100%, meaning you can tank almost all AV when fully beafed up.
Get caught out and boom

Also the resistances for the plates is a little too much. With those bonuses, an armor tank would not need to use active defense.

There should be more different versions of AV nades though.
1. Basic AV nade: medium damage, targeting, the current one with less damage
2. higher damage, less throwing distance, no targeting, no splash
3. higher slpash rad and damage, targeting, less damage, also damages passengers

They would need to be used more tactical and would also give more variety. 1 is for fast vehicles, 2 for stronger vehicles, 3 for all

I re-read the parts about the capacitor and better understand what you're proposing.

Since shield extender modules and armor plates would bring extra resistance with it, they would need to have low resistance with a stacking penalty so that people cant just only stack tons of 60mm plates or shield extenders for a ton of permanent resistance.
For example, 3 of those armor plates would give 30% damage reduction and with max armor upgrades, a tank would still have 40% damage reduction when their capacitor overloads.

Shifting over 6-7% resistance of shield extenders and armor plates to the active and passive hardeners would solve that problem.

But on 2nd thinking, I also mentioned this in last post/edit. When a tanks capacitor fails, maybe to stop the op nightmare it could create, all equiped items should fail, including plates. leaving you with just base skill resistances. Creating risk.

There should be more different versions of AV nades though.
1. Basic AV nade: medium damage, targeting, the current one with less damage
2. higher damage, less throwing distance, no targeting, no splash
3. higher slpash rad and damage, targeting, less damage, also damages passengers

They would need to be used more tactical and would also give more variety. 1 is for fast vehicles, 2 for stronger vehicles, 3 for all

I didn't think you meant also plates. It doesn't really make sense for armor plates and shield extenders to fail too. EVE ships don't lose armor/shields from their plates and extenders when their capacitor fails, why should that happen in Dust?

"Disclaimer: Idea's could be very flawed"

fair enough. it is a work in progress though, just deleted them cells. I have a general Idea, my knowledge of eve is minimal, my friend was mentioning how capacitors would be better than PG/CPU reqs on tanks. I liked how it sounded, and I'm kinda interested on how to get that into dust instead of the lack luster sub par tanks available.

I don't want anything removed, AV shouldn't be punished because we are(2 wrongs dont make a right!!).

The idea is to change the way tanks work, and also the manner in which AV is spammed(mostly by a single player). and try make tanks a force to be reconed without killing AV

For number 3 you have both higher damage and less damage. Anyway I support what you probably meant:
higher splash rad and targeting range, less damage, also damages passengers.

Lower the values of the resistances, trash your idea of how the cap should work, and get rid of PROTO AV until We get PROTO vehicles. Fixed the game vehicle side.


Peace, Aizen

I don't think proto vehicle are ever gonna come. Their probably just be standard and specialized versions of those vehicles, proto pilot suits, and proto modules for the suit.

Tanks and LAVs can already fit all proto stuff, so its like proto.

I don't want anything removed, AV shouldn't be punished because we are(2 wrongs dont make a right!!).

The idea is to change the way tanks work, and also the manner in which AV is spammed(mostly by a single player). and try make tanks a force to be reconed without killing AV

my favorite part of the thread is that the guy thinks that its possable to code for 100% damage resistance.


no, just no, the math doesnt work like that and to do so you would have to recode the entire damage system for every weapon in the game.

not only that but it will be abused

The real interesting part of the OP was the bit about capacitors. If those are added, there's no reason I shouldnt be able to have 90% damage resistance for a few seconds if i want my capacitor to allow me that, in exchange for losing the ability to fire my laser turret.

the vehicle nerfs right now, i hope, are just placeholders for other things. Maybe there will be energy vampires, webifiers, electronic warefare to counter real proto tanks when we can be battleships and absolutely wreck everything in our path short of another well fitted tank. Let's be real here, a proto tank, to survive vs 3 proto ushukone forges, would need around 15,000 HP with duel reppers, and multiple hardeners.

So with my 3x I became a sketchy tanker, some moments were glorious, others eh...
but here's what I found

problem 1:
Proto AV available: YES
Proto HAV available: NO

I think its out right stupid to have proto AV and not vehicles yet, this isn't something that should be removed, we just need proto tanks/Drop ships, **** LAV's.

Problem 2: narrow minded and thoughtless design process.
Vehicles: Armor on vehicles should offer more than just HP, its that simple. right now the difference between using 60mm plates and 180mm plates is HP at the cost of movement speed and equipping costs.
It should have been(level STD/ADV)
60mm plates:
STD:680/-10ms/10% damage resistance
ADV:782/-10ms/10% damage resistance
120mm plates:
STD:1360/-18ms/20% damage resistance
ADV:1564/-18ms/20% damage resistance
120mm plates:
STD:2720/-25ms/30% damage resistance
ADV:3128/-25ms/30% damage resistance

Current armor is one dimensional garbage. Tanks weak spots should be underneath, and also the 2 small turrets(separate targeting, and damage resist). A fully stacked tank should be able to pull 100%+ damage resistance, for short bursts(armor+hardeners+DCU+ skill).
If a tank is met by AV no boosts going, it should die, but fully protected should laugh at all non organized attacks.

The down side would come from the adding capacitors: The tank runs all its goodies off a capacitor, with CPU/PG removed. Better capacitor, better fittings. Downside coming from capacitors lifespan, capacitors would have a set lifespan, before the tank needs to take off a regenerate
which should take X mins. A capacitor could also over load from damage taken, so even tho the tank is beasting through damage, it's capacitor is loosing lifespan at X% per X amount of damage being resisted.


AV:
Damage from various items is messy
my order of damage from least to most would be(at proto):
Swarmer
AV grenade
Forge gun
Prox mines

Swarmers: Should be high effective versus standard LAV, moderate veruses LLAV's, lesser versus HAV's(good HAV's)
AV grenade: should remain at current damage.
Forge gun: remain at current damage, they also have the ability to catch vehicles off guard in a nasty way.
Prox mines: Should do 3-5k damage each, also there should be variants, 15m radius/3k dmg, 3m radius/5-6k dmg, EMP, will shut a HAV or LAV module/capacitor system down.


TL;DR, TANK's should be tanks, and tank. but with well a focused and tactical approach, they should go down.

Disclaimer: Idea's could be very flawed, I am new to tanking, and this is what I saw/experienced, mixed with a few chats with eve players.

The damage would be taken, just transfered to the capacitors hp/heat bar. It isn't far fetched or impossible, would just need some reworks.

@Void. I'm not in anyway trying to say we don't need the proto tanks. Its about making tanks, tank..

This is what I just read:

"My armor HAV isn't winning enough. Please make it a NUKE-ALL-BUT-ME button"

You haven't even tried a shield HAV. Those things are utter garbage as of right now when compared to armor HAVs.