*I don't like this game to begin with and i severely lack the attention span to enjoy this game. That's why i ragequit ever so often and the reason why i want want respecs.

Forget the OP argument and the FOTM one too as there are no other reasons against respecs at all. I don't like it when people disagree with me and that's why everyone that doesn't share my shallow, vague vision of this game has to be wrong in one way or another.

I haven't spent a dime on this game and have been here since day 1 of open beta, but you have to believe me that i would totally start paying you if you allowed me to progress in this game without actually doing anything. Sure i lack any numbers or solid reasoning that could make me or you believe this, but you will definitely make more cash because, magic!

This would keep people playing the game wich i admittedly don't even like nor value in any way just as i think you are all somewhat incompetent. It never crossed my mind that different games appeal to different types of players because there's not a single person that does not share my opinions on this game and others verbatim. I also think that flexibility should be there by default, not earned because i'm oblivious to the core philosophy behind the SP system, nor am i interested in learning anything about it.

Show your support if you agree! Let's keep this on the frontpage of the wrong section. I and a few others will keep repeating the same nonsense indefinitely as you, CCP, are obviously too damn stupid to realize that i keep spamming this dead topic because i'm the minority and my arguments don't hold water.

This game is not worth my money and i have no clue what a democracy is but i like to end my posts with superficial non-statements nonetheless.

random guy Out!*

The 'incomplete' argument is one of the few reasonable arguments that can be brought into play. My only counter to that is lore based. The clone mercenary business is new and the megacorporations of New Eden are just now getting around to providing the products. Everybody gets access to the new products at the same time. I don't know of a good lore based reason of removing knowledge of one system and replacing it with another so you're instantly an expert. I'm fairly dedicated to Minmatar based tech and it's irritating that I have to learn other racial systems for now but I am and will adapt when I can go full Minmatar.

I am one who bought a veteran pack and an elite pack. I pay for boosters like everyone else. I am not always in favor of respecs either. I can see both sides. blatent respecs anytime you want is stupid and would destroy the game.

That being said, you would be in favor of someone who's build gets totally trashed like us heavies and those poor Drop ship pilot just to suffer for a few months while they rebuild their merc slowly and painfully. Sorry bro that will make tons of players just leave like they are already doing in droves. the last respec brought a lot of joy back to some players and that is why im for it with restrictions.


Folks are already playing FOTM as it is. All Tac's or all Flaylocks pick your build

Daily bump. Still think it would give this game a much needed boost

The ability to respec every 90 days keeps the ge fresh for vets. Is convenient for new players after they figured out how they want to play. When the rest of the racial suits come out a tespec should be allowed for all. To tell someone they should be saving their SP indefinitely in hopes CCP will add the other racials is ludicrous. Wih no ETA on new suits. How long do you expect them to wait.

Instead we get new suits altogether, commando, and still don't have the other racial. Does that make the slightest bit of sense?

Here is something for you then Nick. If one class gets a respec all should get a respec. Say there is a RPer and the want to be a heavy but RP as a Minmatar. This person would never have specced Amarr heavy. So this person who wanted to be a heavy doesn't get a respec because they aren't now specced heavy. That's not fair. Respecs should be available for all if they are allowed at all

Lol malkai. Pathetic arguement. Good try tho.

I know and get what you are saying. U summed up very eloquently my use of the word fanboy. Would just love a response from CCP to settle it once and for all. Ill bump this daily until an actual CCP response is made and not a troll post as some CCP employees love to do

Posted at 17.05.2013 17:04 by GM Grave
Hello,

This response is being sent to all users who have filed a support ticket in order to request a skill respec.

We would like to acknowledge receipt of your skill respect request and inform you that we have now flagged your account for a skill respec .

The skill respec will be applied to your characters in the coming days once we have completed and deployed changes to the skill tree. This one time respec will remove and refund all ISK and skill points that have been applied to date. Please ensure that due care is taken when spending skills and ISK as we will be unable to reverse ISK/SP spending in future.

If you wish to discuss issues that have not been addressed in this skill respec response, or believe you have received this message in error then please respond to this support ticket and we will attempt to address your issue.

Please accept my sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Please note that if you are receiving this message you are currently in a queue for a skill respec. Eligible customers who may have been misfiled and would like to request an Aurum account reset should respond to this ticket clarifying their request.

Regards,
Lead GM Grave
CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514

Malkai I think you guys may be reading too much into that. I think there will be respecs after the racials come out. Just you wait. It will help revitalize a failing game

Sound reasoning lol. Thought provoking! I don't follow you Ronan. Please explain

I'm interested on some numbers on this reverse sp booster. To me it simply sounds like a respec but a much more costly one. I would simply like CCP to say something like "payable respecs would eliminate much of our booster money and we don't feel it will make as much as the boosters will. "

Sometimes I wonder if some of you fanboys so adamantly opposed to respecs are employees of CCP hired to help convince the masses.
Just a comment from CCP would eliminate this arguement for me. I understand this is a free to play game. I get CCP needs to make their money. I'm assuming most of their income is from active and passive boosters. Respecs may eliminate the need to get boosters but putting a time limit on how often you can do it or possibly make each following respec more expensive, would IMO keep boosters as a viable option.

I read your post. Don't think it would kill progression. Respec. Respec. Respec.

Any timeline CCP??

Why? Explain yourself.[...]

+1 OP

CCP breaks things as often as they fix it.

I didn't expect my role to get 'nerfed'. It wasn't even on the chopping block.
If we can spec out of broken things, it would give them good server data to see what things we don't like.

I have no problem debating with you. I just asked those whom simply disagreed with Respec to say why. It's a simple request. Continue trying to get a rise out of my by insulting me though. It's working

Sometimes I wonder if some of you fanboys so adamantly opposed to respecs are employees of CCP hired to help convince the masses.

Respecs wouldn't kill skill progression. I read your post as it is what you linked. What I gathered from it is that you think no one will have to play the game anymore to get SP because they can simply respec when they are bored. Sure that may be true but that is why I suggest a limit to how often one can respec.

If you respec into heavy and enjoy the game again for another month, possibly buying boosters during that time, Great for you and CCP. My arguement is due to the lack of content it is too easy to get bored playing this. The game becomes a job and less fun. People simply log on and grind their SP and when capped they quit.

There is a reason I can usually crush everyone on Tuesday and get crushed on Wednesday. The good players are no longer playing after they cap out. It has become a job. To reinject FUN into this I think respecs would do that. When your bored instead of grinding for months just to get the proto suit and weapon you want you can respec and again enjoy the game. Isn't that the point.

Before you butcher my proto arguement I think we can all admit after CCP bought all of our assets and we all have the large bankroll, only proto suits are acceptable.

[...]Economic impact is one reason I am against it. We don't have an economy now, but when it does come along the respecs will hurt market speculators and traders who devoted months or a whole year doing their research on key market trends.[...]

So now people would respec into what is cheap as opposed to FOTM?

We can't even get new maps let alone a player market. Guys who play eve have become conditioned to Soon tm. You are not the people CCP needs to impress if they want dust to become AAA and compete with the big boys. They may share the universe but this isn't eve. I want dust to succeed but unless their goal is only 50000 active players they need to make some changes to appease the masses. Yes I am referring to everyone whom plays cod and bf3. All those blubbering idiots you don't want in your game. If things continue the way they have been you will be playing the same corps everyday with no influx of new players. Of the 30 people I played with everyday on bf3 I am the only one to grab this game and actually stayed and continued to play. Some of those guys played the game less time then it took to download. And this was during chromosome. A build i would consider is more fun than uprising.

Lets switch gears. I get you don't want respecs. What things should CCP do immediately to make this game more popular. By popular I mean getting people to come (which uprising did) but stay (which sadly it didn't)? Please don't give me the simple soon response. I would hope even the biggest fanboys (which you clearly are) can still be critical.

I'm looking for a fun game. And fun that lasts. I think respecs would do that. I played bf3 for almost 18months straight everyday. I put in 1000 hours. It was $80 well spent. I became bored of dust 3.5 months after I started. And that's with 2 respecs. The lack of content can be saved with respecs. It may hurt other aspects of the game but those things are not in the game. I would give a little if respecs were allowed until the rest of the scout and heavy racials were put out.
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How are proposed negative impacts applicable if we don't even have an ETA for when the player driven economy is going to be implemented. Also you know little about just how the economy will function. You've transplanted anti-respec arguments from Eve Online and applied them to Dust. What if the economy of Dust is strictly selling and buying items? Your theory revolves around their being a manufactoring industrial sector. What if it never exists. Everything regarding the economics of Dusts is guesswork and speculation at this point.


This amounts to little more then, "As an Eve Online player, I need to be able to control how Dust 514 players play Dust." This is an amazing idea if you want droves of Dust players to quit.

not reading all of this thread because it is just about 16mil sp mercs that already had their respecs arguing for no more respecs while people with 7mil or less wanting to fix their mistakes/experimenting/noob spent sp

You still didn't answer the underlined question of how the yet to be released, future economy of Dust is a valid downside for respecs in the present. All you said was how you want the economy to function and that you believe CCP agrees.

The conceptualization of all your ideas is centered around the notion that CCP designed Dust solely for Eve Online players or those with a similar mentiality. The fact they choose to release a free to play, FP lobby shooter at launch and have not through all beta verisons not introduced any other gameplay elements, disagrees with that notion.

Simply by being a FP lobby shooter a company is choosing to compete with game franchises like Call of Duty and Battlefield. They'll be compared and contrasted by both reviewers and gamers as such. Also F2P business models cannot by their revenue gain nature support a total niche gameplay expierence. They require a steady stream of new players willing to purchase in game items to sustain themselves. This is why the most offer an enchanced expierence via gameplay or rewards to those who recruit fellow players to play with them.

The truth is that Dust is a middle ground. It's not trying to captialize on a just niche player demographic. CCP would have never choosen a free to play, first person lobby shooter as the core and persistent gameplay if that were the case.

Respec! Respec!

You expect a respec when they nerf the Caldari Logi. If we can't get respecs for AUR they won't hand them out with the Nerf Bat. I'm in the same boat as you will probably be. I love the laser. We all can admit it was useless when Uprising dropped. So I didn't spec into Amar Assualt Suits or Lasers. No without the glow they can at least kill again though still the most underwhelming weapon in the game. But instead of a respec i'm told I need to grind 3.8 mil sp to get proto lasers and proto suits.

I wouldn't be complaining if we actually had input from CCP becuase then we would have some idea on what may be changed and how. But They can nerf something into oblivion whenever they want and we have to grin and bear it. We are told to save SP, buy boosters and HTFU.

*snip*

Malkai - do you think a respec is in order after the racial scouts, heavies, and original vehicles of Uprising is needed

Join the Revolution all you Caldari Logis!

Malkai. Please respond to my point on Roleplayers a few post up

There is no need to cater to those waiting for a racial variant for something that wasn't in the game at "launch" it was up to CCP to decide what was at launch and there should have been all racial variants accounted for. When we get those variants a respec is necessary.

Then in the future only drop content that has all racial variants accounted for. I hear this is what eve does. Wonder why dust isn't the same?

Eve refunds the SP for the affected skills and allows you to skill with them wherever you please.

Similar to when they changed the skill multipliers for dropsuits.